The Texas petition has about 86000 signatures at this point. Whole lot of us kooks in Texas.

Even if only symbolic, this sends an important message to those who will not hear it.

Barky, frankly, seems quite able to tear this country up without anyone succeeding.

Stand back.....he´s got it handled.

We´re not kooks. We don´t want to be Obama´s slaves.

If we secede, do we skate on the debt and who would buy Republic of Texas issued bonds. Always follow the money.

Looks like I need to be moving to Texas!

While Texas does its own thing, there is a way to change the direction of this country.

Right now there are 31 Republican governors. If these 31 governors can find two more, they can unit to call a constitutional convention.

The trick will be to keep the liberals out of it so a new constitution can be written without all the name calling and label making.

I was born in Odessa, can I move to the new country?? I have a genuine, certified Birth Certificate.

SESSION? How are you going to pay your SS people et al, et al, et al. Get a brain.

Anybody here ever read Gone with the Wind?

#9, in a few years how are the feddies going to pay it? By printing more paper. Texas paper might actually be worth more than federal paper.

From time to time I´ve posted a link to the Texas Nationalist Movement in comments. I encourage fellow Texans and others who are believe in personal responsibility and freedom to spend some time exploring their site.

Just as with "Birthers" it is easy to scoff and make fun. However, there are Americans who strongly believe the Federal government has repeatedly overstepped its limited powers and cannot be reined. These people have been working for years to peacefully seek independence.

To paraphrase one of the posters in the article, it´s not "The Big Federal Government and States", it´s "The United States" and as freemen we do have a right to dissolve these bonds

For those who are getting all riled up on this thread... it´s symbolic, ok? At least at this point. But as far as SS... I would rather have the money back in my paycheck and save it myself, thanks.

Ummmmmmm the US pays out SS checks to anyone, regardless citizenship or residence so long as they payed into it. I imagine if the union dissolved peacefully, agreements would be reached.

The real question is what happens to the Nukes in Kansas?

Kansas, would you PLEASE join the other 19 States in the effort? PLEASE!

From one of your own.........DO IT Governor and Senator´s!!!


Shimp

#16: My more immediate concern would be the nukes sitting off the coast of the Republic of Texas at a depth of about 65 feet....and would the submarine Commander carry out his orders?

The obvious next question would be: What would the rest of America do at that point?

Remember the Alamo!

Or, in today´s frame, ´Remember Dallas!´

Sorry #12. The precedent has been set by Lincoln, et al. We tried to peacefully secede but were defeated by the Northern Army. Everyone keeps getting it wrong; it was NOT a Civil War; we were NOT trying to take over the government; we were trying to leave. Unfortunately, we got entangled with that whole slavery issue which I think is repugnant.

I really and truly DON´T want to fight that old argument again; but it´s my firm belief that slavery was just an excuse not the reason.

Re#19

The southern states had ceded the Union and it wasn´t until South Carolina fired on Ft Sumpter that the shooting war started. The attack on Sumpter was all the pretext that Lincoln needed. The so called "Civil War", War Between the States, the War of Northern Aggression was ultimately about preventing the South from going it alone. Slavery was an excuse employed later to gain the moral high ground.

Look, Texas: I am with you. Start the ball rolling by refusing to accept Federal funds for ANYTHING.

It´s time for a divorce. I love Texas. Please secede, I will move there.

United we stand.

Divided we fall.

By all means, start the next civil war...

...because we know it always ends so well.

States can refuse to implement obamacare, there are so many other means we can use FIRST. DC only cares about money, but we and the states have it.

Going to this extreme gives the commies the excuse they need.

The Founders were not this reactionary. They were deliberate, well thought, and patient.

War started when all other options were exhausted.

Fair points made in #23, but King George III just kept right on taxing, and following that, sent troops. It took a long time in those days simply for the lack of technology.
Today, we have King B.O. I giving no ground (already, and in spite of the campaign rhetoric) on new and higher taxes. This can move much faster.
The counsel of patience is understood, but I ask "Wait for what? Until we´re taxed into poverty? Taxed out of our jobs, homes and freedoms?"

Texas borders will be overrun on all sides.

Likewise good points # 24. And I agree, things will happen much faster now because of technology. All I am saying is that while we have been through a fraudulent election, can we prove this to a nation that just "re-elected" someone that hates it?

Yes, we are running out of time. But just as the Tea Party rallies never provided the government with the "violence" excuse they so desparately desired (hence their own attempt at aggitation in OWS), we cannot be too hasty.

I have 31 year of martial arts training and experience. I have never thrown the first punch.

But I have always thrown the last.

Usually because my opponents have over extended themselves because of their aggression.

As I write this, the theme from The Outlaw Josey Wales is playing on my computer, in my opinion the greatest American Western. But what a sad time and tale (albeit fictional).

I would hope to be avoided again.

I fear most likely will not.

Let them be guilty of starting it.

Let us be strong enough to stand for righteousness and love of that which is bigger than each of us.

Good to know you are out there.

- Your Bartender

#20, the Civil War was absolutely about slavery. If you don´t believe me, read South Carolina´s Declaration of Secession. The only issue it mentioned was slavery and the threat that Lincoln´s election posed to it. If it was about something other than slavery, the SC legislators didn´t bother to mention it.

As for Texas, do they realize that if they secede, they will lose all of those military bases and all of those jobs? Just something to consider.

All states have the tenth amendment to limit the reach of the Federal government. Why aren´t they using it?

And to the ConCon people, be VERY careful what you wish for, that road runs both directions. You can´t just get what you want and stop any one else from getting what they want. Would be the perfect in for no term presidency, or dissolution of the 16th. Think long, think hard.

#7, I don´t think we need a new constitution, we need the one we have respected. And I wouldn´t want a new constitution written by a product of modern public schools, anyway.

First; Daniel Miller is a kook.

Second; as was said above, what happens to the Texas portion of the national debt? Think of it like a divorce, the spouse that didn´t run up the debts often has to pay 1/2 anyway. This might be sort of a red herring issue in that at least it could stop increasing

Three; Texas would need to close its borders. There are simply not enough jobs there to accommodate a rapid doubling of the population. This is especially true as manny of those moving there would bring their socialistic ideas with them

Four; many of the democrats might like this idea. It would mean that no Republican would ever have a chance to win a national election again because without the Texas EC votes California & New York control the rest of the nation

Yes, and let us not forget the seaports crucial to the country for imports, the oil reserves in Texas, the refineries in Texas, and all the states Texas supplies oil to. Texas is actually one of the only states that could survive, but not so sure how a good portion of the country would fare without Texas. They could pay their share of debt rather quickly just in oil sales and refinement to the US.

Aplogies for second post, but it really needed to be pointed out. Texas doesn´t need the country, the country needs Texas.

Texas can take it´s share of the debt, and if there is no agreement on SS and other benefits for it´s people that they are now entitled to just subtract that off the debt. Remember the 16 Trillion federal debt is only the beginning. The debt for promises, entitlements is much more 150 Trillion or so. Totally impossible - a fantasy yet there is is! Texas by itself can set up a sound currency and a lifeboat for the country. Just be sure to correct the main mistake and have a firm immigration policy and do not allow Texas to be flooded with spongers. Take a lesson from the Late Great USA and do not allow people to vote who can´t or won´t pay their way. It won´t be long till everyone will want to move there. Don´t allow Obama and his ilk to do it! A state must enforce it´s border if it is to survive. This should be obvious in the late great USA.

At this moment 47 states are with Texas on this. Not sure who the two holdouts are but lets keep it up. If nothing else they will know we ain´t happy!

Almost feels like divide and concur doesn´t it!!!

I´d move to Texas anyway.

Civil War and separation, at this point, are inevitable. IT is just a matter of timing. The U.S. muddled for 20-30 years before the actual shooting war started in the Civil War. We are in the same muddled period now. Evil Emperor Obama and his lazy inner city black/brown/tan demographic food stamp army of takers and moochers are no match on the ground for Red Staters who can innovate, who work, who own guns, and know how to use them. I am preparing for the coming war - beware, it is coming.

When Texas got its independence from Mexico it was a sovereign republic for some time, if I remember my history correctly. When it joined this country I believe there was a proviso that it could leave the Union if it chose to do so, putting it in a category by itself as no other state joined under like circumstances. Correct me if I am wrong.

Of course, whether it is practical is another matter.

#27, those military bases here mean nothing in the big picture. Imagine the number of jobs created here were we out from underneath the jackboot of the EPA/DoEn/DoEd/DoAg/DoHHS/etc.? We would survive and thrive.

#36, I believe #1 can confirm that you are correct.