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Secession petition leader:
Obama´s baked

Politico, by Kevin Cirilli

Original Article

Posted By:JoniTx, 11/13/2012 8:06:17 PM

The leader of the secession movement in Texas says that President Barack Obama’s reelection was a “catalyzing moment” for his organization’s efforts to quit the United States. “I am completely aware that Election Day was a catalyzing moment, but I do not believe that the underpinnings of this are solely about Barack Obama,” Texas Nationalist Movement President Daniel Miller told POLITICO. “This cake has been baking for a long time — it’s the Obama administration that put the candles on the cake and lit it for us.” (Snip) GOP Texas Gov. Rick Perry’s spokeswoman Catherine Frazier commented

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: texaspast, 11/13/2012 8:27:01 PM     (No. 9012457)

The Texas petition has about 86000 signatures at this point. Whole lot of us kooks in Texas.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Blue-Z-Anna, 11/13/2012 8:30:30 PM     (No. 9012465)

Even if only symbolic, this sends an important message to those who will not hear it.

Barky, frankly, seems quite able to tear this country up without anyone succeeding.

Stand back.....he´s got it handled.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: youngtexan, 11/13/2012 8:31:08 PM     (No. 9012466)

We´re not kooks. We don´t want to be Obama´s slaves.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: Distorted, 11/13/2012 8:33:06 PM     (No. 9012473)

If we secede, do we skate on the debt and who would buy Republic of Texas issued bonds. Always follow the money.


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Reply 5 - Posted by: Revolution76, 11/13/2012 8:33:32 PM     (No. 9012474)



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Reply 6 - Posted by: Revolution76, 11/13/2012 8:34:51 PM     (No. 9012478)

Looks like I need to be moving to Texas!

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Reply 7 - Posted by: gasmeterguy, 11/13/2012 8:37:04 PM     (No. 9012479)

While Texas does its own thing, there is a way to change the direction of this country.

Right now there are 31 Republican governors. If these 31 governors can find two more, they can unit to call a constitutional convention.

The trick will be to keep the liberals out of it so a new constitution can be written without all the name calling and label making.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: saguni, 11/13/2012 8:41:04 PM     (No. 9012487)

I was born in Odessa, can I move to the new country?? I have a genuine, certified Birth Certificate.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Theeo, 11/13/2012 8:44:15 PM     (No. 9012497)

SESSION? How are you going to pay your SS people et al, et al, et al. Get a brain.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: dolphin, 11/13/2012 8:53:15 PM     (No. 9012507)

Anybody here ever read Gone with the Wind?

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Reply 11 - Posted by: curious1, 11/13/2012 8:54:22 PM     (No. 9012510)

#9, in a few years how are the feddies going to pay it? By printing more paper. Texas paper might actually be worth more than federal paper.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Cherrybark, 11/13/2012 9:05:13 PM     (No. 9012519)

From time to time I´ve posted a link to the Texas Nationalist Movement in comments. I encourage fellow Texans and others who are believe in personal responsibility and freedom to spend some time exploring their site.

Just as with "Birthers" it is easy to scoff and make fun. However, there are Americans who strongly believe the Federal government has repeatedly overstepped its limited powers and cannot be reined. These people have been working for years to peacefully seek independence.

To paraphrase one of the posters in the article, it´s not "The Big Federal Government and States", it´s "The United States" and as freemen we do have a right to dissolve these bonds

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Reply 13 - Posted by: 4LadyK, 11/13/2012 9:07:07 PM     (No. 9012522)

For those who are getting all riled up on this thread... it´s symbolic, ok? At least at this point. But as far as SS... I would rather have the money back in my paycheck and save it myself, thanks.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: chance_232, 11/13/2012 9:18:25 PM     (No. 9012538)

Ummmmmmm the US pays out SS checks to anyone, regardless citizenship or residence so long as they payed into it. I imagine if the union dissolved peacefully, agreements would be reached.

The real question is what happens to the Nukes in Kansas?

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Reply 15 - Posted by: Shimp, 11/13/2012 9:29:23 PM     (No. 9012564)

Kansas, would you PLEASE join the other 19 States in the effort? PLEASE!

From one of your own.........DO IT Governor and Senator´s!!!


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Reply 16 - Posted by: busterman, 11/13/2012 9:35:18 PM     (No. 9012571)

#16: My more immediate concern would be the nukes sitting off the coast of the Republic of Texas at a depth of about 65 feet....and would the submarine Commander carry out his orders?

The obvious next question would be: What would the rest of America do at that point?

Remember the Alamo!

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Reply 17 - Posted by: stencil, 11/13/2012 9:41:48 PM     (No. 9012584)

Or, in today´s frame, ´Remember Dallas!´

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Reply 18 - Posted by: fishbone, 11/13/2012 10:03:52 PM     (No. 9012610)

Sorry #12. The precedent has been set by Lincoln, et al. We tried to peacefully secede but were defeated by the Northern Army. Everyone keeps getting it wrong; it was NOT a Civil War; we were NOT trying to take over the government; we were trying to leave. Unfortunately, we got entangled with that whole slavery issue which I think is repugnant.

I really and truly DON´T want to fight that old argument again; but it´s my firm belief that slavery was just an excuse not the reason.


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Reply 19 - Posted by: chance_232, 11/13/2012 10:12:25 PM     (No. 9012619)

Re#19

The southern states had ceded the Union and it wasn´t until South Carolina fired on Ft Sumpter that the shooting war started. The attack on Sumpter was all the pretext that Lincoln needed. The so called "Civil War", War Between the States, the War of Northern Aggression was ultimately about preventing the South from going it alone. Slavery was an excuse employed later to gain the moral high ground.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: tatterdemalion, 11/13/2012 10:24:21 PM     (No. 9012629)

Look, Texas: I am with you. Start the ball rolling by refusing to accept Federal funds for ANYTHING.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: doctorfixit, 11/13/2012 10:24:33 PM     (No. 9012630)

It´s time for a divorce. I love Texas. Please secede, I will move there.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: Jiobaobubai, 11/13/2012 10:54:35 PM     (No. 9012671)

United we stand.

Divided we fall.

By all means, start the next civil war...

...because we know it always ends so well.

States can refuse to implement obamacare, there are so many other means we can use FIRST. DC only cares about money, but we and the states have it.

Going to this extreme gives the commies the excuse they need.

The Founders were not this reactionary. They were deliberate, well thought, and patient.

War started when all other options were exhausted.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: BaseballFan, 11/13/2012 10:59:50 PM     (No. 9012678)

Fair points made in #23, but King George III just kept right on taxing, and following that, sent troops. It took a long time in those days simply for the lack of technology.
Today, we have King B.O. I giving no ground (already, and in spite of the campaign rhetoric) on new and higher taxes. This can move much faster.
The counsel of patience is understood, but I ask "Wait for what? Until we´re taxed into poverty? Taxed out of our jobs, homes and freedoms?"

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Reply 24 - Posted by: LadyVet, 11/13/2012 11:08:37 PM     (No. 9012694)

Texas borders will be overrun on all sides.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: Jiobaobubai, 11/13/2012 11:16:14 PM     (No. 9012713)

Likewise good points # 24. And I agree, things will happen much faster now because of technology. All I am saying is that while we have been through a fraudulent election, can we prove this to a nation that just "re-elected" someone that hates it?

Yes, we are running out of time. But just as the Tea Party rallies never provided the government with the "violence" excuse they so desparately desired (hence their own attempt at aggitation in OWS), we cannot be too hasty.

I have 31 year of martial arts training and experience. I have never thrown the first punch.

But I have always thrown the last.

Usually because my opponents have over extended themselves because of their aggression.

As I write this, the theme from The Outlaw Josey Wales is playing on my computer, in my opinion the greatest American Western. But what a sad time and tale (albeit fictional).

I would hope to be avoided again.

I fear most likely will not.

Let them be guilty of starting it.

Let us be strong enough to stand for righteousness and love of that which is bigger than each of us.

Good to know you are out there.

- Your Bartender

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Reply 26 - Posted by: Fosterdad, 11/13/2012 11:23:38 PM     (No. 9012727)

#20, the Civil War was absolutely about slavery. If you don´t believe me, read South Carolina´s Declaration of Secession. The only issue it mentioned was slavery and the threat that Lincoln´s election posed to it. If it was about something other than slavery, the SC legislators didn´t bother to mention it.

As for Texas, do they realize that if they secede, they will lose all of those military bases and all of those jobs? Just something to consider.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: Libertygal, 11/14/2012 12:51:16 AM     (No. 9012816)

All states have the tenth amendment to limit the reach of the Federal government. Why aren´t they using it?

And to the ConCon people, be VERY careful what you wish for, that road runs both directions. You can´t just get what you want and stop any one else from getting what they want. Would be the perfect in for no term presidency, or dissolution of the 16th. Think long, think hard.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: PChristopher, 11/14/2012 1:02:12 AM     (No. 9012821)

#7, I don´t think we need a new constitution, we need the one we have respected. And I wouldn´t want a new constitution written by a product of modern public schools, anyway.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: Phil_hk, 11/14/2012 1:12:25 AM     (No. 9012826)

First; Daniel Miller is a kook.

Second; as was said above, what happens to the Texas portion of the national debt? Think of it like a divorce, the spouse that didn´t run up the debts often has to pay 1/2 anyway. This might be sort of a red herring issue in that at least it could stop increasing

Three; Texas would need to close its borders. There are simply not enough jobs there to accommodate a rapid doubling of the population. This is especially true as manny of those moving there would bring their socialistic ideas with them

Four; many of the democrats might like this idea. It would mean that no Republican would ever have a chance to win a national election again because without the Texas EC votes California & New York control the rest of the nation

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Reply 30 - Posted by: Libertygal, 11/14/2012 1:38:20 AM     (No. 9012850)

Yes, and let us not forget the seaports crucial to the country for imports, the oil reserves in Texas, the refineries in Texas, and all the states Texas supplies oil to. Texas is actually one of the only states that could survive, but not so sure how a good portion of the country would fare without Texas. They could pay their share of debt rather quickly just in oil sales and refinement to the US.

Aplogies for second post, but it really needed to be pointed out. Texas doesn´t need the country, the country needs Texas.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: OhMy, 11/14/2012 2:27:38 AM     (No. 9012865)

Texas can take it´s share of the debt, and if there is no agreement on SS and other benefits for it´s people that they are now entitled to just subtract that off the debt. Remember the 16 Trillion federal debt is only the beginning. The debt for promises, entitlements is much more 150 Trillion or so. Totally impossible - a fantasy yet there is is! Texas by itself can set up a sound currency and a lifeboat for the country. Just be sure to correct the main mistake and have a firm immigration policy and do not allow Texas to be flooded with spongers. Take a lesson from the Late Great USA and do not allow people to vote who can´t or won´t pay their way. It won´t be long till everyone will want to move there. Don´t allow Obama and his ilk to do it! A state must enforce it´s border if it is to survive. This should be obvious in the late great USA.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: Tygerlily, 11/14/2012 2:40:49 AM     (No. 9012871)

At this moment 47 states are with Texas on this. Not sure who the two holdouts are but lets keep it up. If nothing else they will know we ain´t happy!

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Reply 33 - Posted by: juststop, 11/14/2012 3:47:32 AM     (No. 9012901)

Almost feels like divide and concur doesn´t it!!!

I´d move to Texas anyway.

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Reply 34 - Posted by: Kansas Conservative, 11/14/2012 4:04:14 AM     (No. 9012910)

Civil War and separation, at this point, are inevitable. IT is just a matter of timing. The U.S. muddled for 20-30 years before the actual shooting war started in the Civil War. We are in the same muddled period now. Evil Emperor Obama and his lazy inner city black/brown/tan demographic food stamp army of takers and moochers are no match on the ground for Red Staters who can innovate, who work, who own guns, and know how to use them. I am preparing for the coming war - beware, it is coming.

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Reply 35 - Posted by: PoliticalJunky, 11/14/2012 4:16:39 AM     (No. 9012917)

When Texas got its independence from Mexico it was a sovereign republic for some time, if I remember my history correctly. When it joined this country I believe there was a proviso that it could leave the Union if it chose to do so, putting it in a category by itself as no other state joined under like circumstances. Correct me if I am wrong.

Of course, whether it is practical is another matter.

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Reply 36 - Posted by: Rumblehog, 11/14/2012 7:02:36 AM     (No. 9013052)

#27, those military bases here mean nothing in the big picture. Imagine the number of jobs created here were we out from underneath the jackboot of the EPA/DoEn/DoEd/DoAg/DoHHS/etc.? We would survive and thrive.

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Reply 37 - Posted by: Rumblehog, 11/14/2012 7:03:47 AM     (No. 9013053)

#36, I believe #1 can confirm that you are correct.

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London - A remarkable piece of high-tech data detective work has provided what looks to be the missing clue to the tragic fate of missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370, an expert said Monday. Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak earlier on Monday said that information provided by British satellite company Inmarsat and the British government´s Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB) confirmed that MH370 had flown to a remote part of the Indian Ocean where the flight ended. (Snip) Inmarsat had come up with a theory to apply to the data it had collected from MH370 during the flight, and had then tested the results on aircraft in

Media Matters inexplicably attacks Fox
News for using the term ‘homosexual’

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Daily Caller, by Brendan Bordelon    Original Article
Posted By: StormCnter- 3/25/2014 5:18:35 AM     Post Reply
Media Matters, the website of choice for Fox News haters everywhere, attacked the cable news network on Monday for using the term “homosexual” in its programming — advancing the peculiar argument that the scientific term has a “pejorative connotation.” The online “media watchdog” contends that calling gay people “homosexual” is “a practice that’s quickly falling out of favor with major news outlets due the term’s often pejorative connotation and frequent use by opponents of LGBT equality.” Fox News, they chide, “has yet to update its language when referring to gay and lesbian people.” Buttressing their argument? A weekend piece in the Fashion

Carter Blames Jews for Obama’s Snubs
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Commentary Magazine, by Jonathan S. Tobin    Original Article
Posted By: StormCnter- 3/25/2014 5:15:26 AM     Post Reply
Former President Jimmy Carter is back in the news this week publicizing a new book about women’s rights. But, as is often the case with Carter, he drew more interest for comments he made about Israel and its supporters. When asked on NBC’s Meet the Press yesterday by Andrea Mitchell why it was that Barack Obama never called upon him for advice, he made it clear that the Jewish state was the reason he has been treated like a pariah: I—that’s a hard question– for me to answer—you know, with complete candor. I think the problem was that– that in dealing

Michelle: ´There Were Actually Laws in
America that Allowed Discrimination
Against Black People Like Me´

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Weekly Standard, by Daniel Halper    Original Article
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First Lady Michelle Obama talked about America as she visited a school today in China. She talked about the American dream: And my story isn’t unusual in America. Some of our most famous athletes, like LeBron James, and artists, like the singer Janelle Monae, came from struggling families like mine, as do many business leaders -- like Howard Schultz. He’s the head of a company called Starbucks, which many of you may have heard of. When Mr. Schultz was a boy his father lost his job, leaving their family destitute. But Mr. Schultz worked hard. He got a scholarship to a

Sasha Obama is not impressed
with trip to China

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New York Post, by Geoff Earle    Original Article
Posted By: StormCnter- 3/25/2014 4:44:05 AM     Post Reply
WASHINGTON — Spring break was never this dull. First Lady Michelle Obama’s kids finally hit the wall on their whirlwind visit to China, showing signs they’ve nearly reached their limit tagging along with mom as she visits site after site on what’s billed as a “person-to-person” tour. Accompanied by Malia, 15, and Sasha, 12, the first lady on Monday toured Xi’an, an ancient city in the ancestral province of Chinese President Xi Jinping. They inspected the city’s 600-year-old wall, a day after touring the Great Wall near Beijing. Photos show Sasha looking like she’d rather be back home with her pals than hitting the

Democratic pollster predicts ´huge
turnout disadvantage´ in 2014

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CNN, by Peter Hamby    Original Article
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Washington - A leading Democratic pollster predicted a "sobering" turnout disadvantage for her party in this year´s midterm elections and called on Democrats to articulate "a bigger economic agenda" this fall. "There is a huge turnout disadvantage and challenge," Democratic pollster Celinda Lake said Tuesday at a breakfast with reporters. "There is always a challenge in turnout in an off year, but it´s really dramatic this time." Lake was speaking a breakfast hosted by the Christian Science Monitor. Lake and Republican pollster Ed Goeas revealed results of a new George Washington University poll that showed GOP voter intensity in 2014 outpacing

Busted! After promising ´no delay´ in
final Obamacare sign-up deadline, Obama
administration unveils new ´honor system´ *

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Daily Mail [UK], by David Martosko    Original Article
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The Obama administration is prepared to give prospective Obamacare enrollees another half-month to signup for insurance coverage through the Affordable Care Act website, healthcare.gov, treating the law´s March 31 regulatory deadline as a formality for Americans who claim they tried in earnest to sign up in time. During a March 12 congressional hearing, HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius told Texas Republican Rep. Kevin Brady that there would be no such extensions. ´Are you going to delay the open enrollment beyond March 31?´ Brady asked. ´No, sir,´ she replied. On the same day, Julie Bataille, a spokeswoman for the

Harry Reid: Obamacare Delayed
Because ‘People Are Not Educated
About How to Use the Internet’

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Mediaite, by Noah Rothman    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 3/26/2014 1:47:46 PM     Post Reply
On Wednesday, Obama administration officials announced a two week extension in the deadline to enroll in the Affordable Care Act or face a penalty defined as a tax. Asked about this “delay” in the implementation of the ACA on Wednesday, Sen. Harry Reid (D-NV) said that there has been no delay. He added that some of the users who experienced problems with the website early on need more time, partially because “people are not educated about how to use the internet.” “There’s no hiccup or delay,” Reid insisted. “We had hundreds of thousands of people who tried to sign up and


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