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Time for a new Republican Party
Washington Times, by Joseph Curl

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Posted By:garnet, 11/12/2012 11:19:38 AM

The Republican Party did not lose last Tuesday´s election. It was obliterated, crushed, slaughtered, massacred, squashed, annihilated — and, let’s hope, extinguished. For the party of Lincoln, it’s been a week of sifting through the carnage: What went wrong? How could a party that just a decade ago controlled all of government have been so completely nullified that an incumbent Democrat who was quite possibly the worst president in a century handily defeated the Republican nominee? The soul searching followed the standard stages of grief: There was denial.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: michellewsc2, 11/12/2012 11:33:40 AM     (No. 9008948)

The only problem with the Republican party was not standing up to the massive voter fraud we all know took place on Nov, 6 2012.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: snowcloud, 11/12/2012 11:37:42 AM     (No. 9008955)

They don´t fight against Leftists, only their own. Look at what they did to Sarah Palin and Allen West. There are plenty more but I can´t think of them right now.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: curious1, 11/12/2012 11:38:21 AM     (No. 9008957)

Umm, Joseph, you´re talking about things that aren´t enshrined in the constitution, they´re discovered in emanations from the penumbra of the constitution. Not the same thing at all. And communists cheating to win an election isn´t the same as failing to sell a message. The turn-out showed people understood; those who counted the votes decided to vaporize votes for Romney and pad the votes for Capt Zippy, it´s that simple and blatant.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: horacer, 11/12/2012 11:40:10 AM     (No. 9008961)

The impending monetary and fiscal collapse will take care of everything. Democrats can be the party of inflation, debt, and misery - Republicans the party of austerity, limited government and riots.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: F16 guy, 11/12/2012 11:51:22 AM     (No. 9008977)

I am now convinced that a DEM will win again in 2016. I see no way the R´s can regain any momentum as long as they continue to preach fiscal conservatism, and taking away "free stuff" from the voters.

Reducing food stamps useage- HAH!
Making people search for work in order to get welfare- HAH!
Limiting welfare to 26 weeks-HAH!
Taking away the Obamaphones-HAH!

and on and on..............

We´re screwed !


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Reply 6 - Posted by: LittleHoodedMonk, 11/12/2012 11:55:01 AM     (No. 9008981)

In an article I posted yesterday, I stated that there are many issues [abortion, feminism, gay rights, illegal immigration and race] that we have allowed the dRATS to smoke-screen their dumb-down their voters in every election I can remember. The real issues of the economy, murder of Ambassador Stevens and three others and immediate disinformation from the White House about them in Benghazi, Iran and their nuclear quest, EU folding under weight of socialism, debt and high unemployment, Supreme Court picks, Al Qaeda resurgence, etc.

I am a ´´Hispanic´´ GOP voter who assimilated since birth and yet people I tried to speak to turned their head away from any discussion prior to election about it. Especially minorities. I see the same lack of community in the Catholic Church, unless you follow their actions and try not to ´´lead.´´

I follow certain basic beliefs, after years of Church-going and soul-searching: One is that we are all blessed by the treasure of Love by God giving each of US Life. And, it´s how we share that Love with others along the journey of Life that we will meet final Judgment.

If you think ´´sex & politics´´ should not be done in conversations, how would you discuss the current affairs of General Petraeus and his betrayal in Benghazi and ultimately the American people? Oh, get rid of the dRATS issues and maybe we can final face the ´´real´´ ones.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: trapper, 11/12/2012 11:56:34 AM     (No. 9008986)

Vastly premature. We haven´t even watched the game film yet. Too early to be talking trades.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Iowadad, 11/12/2012 11:57:55 AM     (No. 9008991)

The Rebublican party should reform itself not by currying favor with every Tom, Dick and Juarez, but by promulgating the unvarnished truth.

It must systematiclly debunk the leftist garbage coming from the media and academia, and be sure that everyone knows the peril we (and all of Western Civilization) face if we don´t take painful but effective action to balance the budget.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: sfacheem, 11/12/2012 12:06:41 PM     (No. 9009008)

I´ve grown tired of this kind of hysterical over-reaction.

For God´s sake, it was one election. Suck it up and win the next one. Just two years ago I was reading about the "demise of American liberalism". Now we have to destroy the Republican Party and remake it again? No. We need to increase our voice and presence through the grass roots ala the Tea Party and run it better, that´s all.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: whyyeseyec, 11/12/2012 12:07:04 PM     (No. 9009010)

@#2: The RNC ignored Michele Bachmann also. She barely squeaked by this election cycle. She may not be so lucky in 2014.

It is shameful how the GOP treats its membership. Supposedly 3 million republicans stayed home on Nov. 6th. Personally, I don`t think they care. They seem to be content living in 2nd place. Even when they win they act like losers.

Welcome to California everyone.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: JoniTx, 11/12/2012 12:11:53 PM     (No. 9009014)

We´ve gone through these cycles before. Way too early to talk like this.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: noproblems, 11/12/2012 12:16:27 PM     (No. 9009020)

Time for new political parties. Republicans and Democrats got us to $16 trillion in debt and cultural rot.

I still think this is past election may be similar to the election of 1856; hopefully without civil war on the horizon. The election of 1860 was the first election that a republican won. The election of 2016 should be the election of a Tea PArty president.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: pearlyjo, 11/12/2012 12:21:49 PM     (No. 9009028)

The opportunity to convert the other side is right before us. Are we up to the challenge? There is an economic, security and cultural disaster looming (actually blooming). We should never let a disaster to waste either.
I´ve begun my own little listening tour with co-workers and neighbors. I work in hospitality, so lots of Hispanics, Asians and black associates. Starting out slow, they are still on a sugar high, so to speak, from last week, but I figure as we approach Christmas the scales may begin to fall from their eyes.


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Reply 14 - Posted by: iamtinman, 11/12/2012 12:28:19 PM     (No. 9009040)

What a pile of steaming excrement by a writer who should know better. 10 million fewer voters came to the polls this last election. The number of college age students who were actively ccourted by the left was a major determinent in the final result. The GOP didn´t lose because it had the wrong message, it lost because the democrats ran a better ground game and the Republicans are still learning how.

While the GOP should and will try to extend its message to Hispanic, Black, Asian Americans and the new voters, it won´t change its vision of America at the cost of losing the values which differentiate it from the democrats. Candidates like Rubio, Jindal, West, and Martinez will help diversify the GOP base without having to dilute the message.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: addicted_to_coffee, 11/12/2012 12:30:39 PM     (No. 9009045)

Why should anyone vote for the current crop of Republicans when they can vote for the real Democrat in the race?

Republicans will lose again and again if they can´t articulate a positive difference between themselves and the Dems AND the reasons behind the differences.

Educate your children.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: mathman, 11/12/2012 12:36:02 PM     (No. 9009057)

It is time for the failed leaders to be put out of the party.
Where is Trump when we need him?
Rove? You are fired.
Limbaugh: you are fired.
Hannity: you are fired.
All the Romney handlers: you are fired. No more campaigns for you.

But the entrenched chattering class of Pubbies will cling to power, as was true in the 1970s. Better to be in office as a minority than to yield to a new generation.

Those in control of the party in 2012 failed. Whether it was the failure to coalesce after Romney cinched the nomination, defend Romney from the scurrilous lies of Obama, insist on precinct workers in every precinct, insist on lawyers to be available when said precinct workers were ejected, organize car pools for voters, guarantee our rights as voters by Voter ID laws (I was disenfranchised by fraud), or fail to find a compromise with the tea party, the leaders failed.

Such failure must be rewarded with expulsion. If they can´t do the job, hire someone else.

Our elections are no longer fair. Cheating is rampant, and will not be investigated. There is no fix short of a new party.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: NorthernDog, 11/12/2012 12:44:57 PM     (No. 9009077)

Yeah, it was a painful loss, but Romney got 48% of the popular vote. Do you really want to throw that all away? Republicans made some mistakes but it wasn´t a massacre. Learn from your mistakes and carry on to fight another day.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: dwa, 11/12/2012 12:54:22 PM     (No. 9009100)

With supposed "conservatives" like Curl, Noonan, Crystal, etc, the Republican party will never be truly conservative.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: surgedr, 11/12/2012 1:00:19 PM     (No. 9009123)

I disagree with those who think the ´rats are going to continue to win. Even David Plouffe when asked about his get out of the vote organization and will work in 2016? said NO, we had the right candidate for this to work. It won´t be as effective with another candidate other than Obama! i.e. Biden.

Republicans have stronger, younger, more charismatic candidates and Mr. Obama unless I´m severely mistaken can never run again!

Anyway by the time 2014 roll around the Dems will be owning this terrible economy..and these young people, young women and Latinos don´t vote in off year elections, we will take the Senate and we will win in 2016!


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Reply 20 - Posted by: Cleanhousein2012, 11/12/2012 1:16:55 PM     (No. 9009152)

15 - you are right.

20 - you are overlooking the number of voters (and participants) the GOP has lost this election. The "hold your nose, ABDem meme" has lost its effectiveness.. And the GOP is going to struggle mightily (if it can overcome it) to get folks like me to EVER support the Republican candidate or work for them again. I will invest and work for specific candidates or a different party, but am done with GOP, and know many like me, If You are going to represent me by acting like a Democrat, I might as well just vote for the Democrat.


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Reply 21 - Posted by: attymitch, 11/12/2012 1:28:47 PM     (No. 9009182)

This is absurd. The election was close. A few changes in a few key states and it goes the other way. Obama failed, but the media let him get away with it and his ads denied the truth, and it worked. The answer isn´t giving in, it´s getting even. Now, more than ever, the GOP needs to stick to principles and remain a very vocal opposition.



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Reply 22 - Posted by: Gale, 11/12/2012 1:34:33 PM     (No. 9009196)

Every state governed by a Republican must have a vigorous Voter Fraud program and have voting machines that produce a paper vote receipt for each ballot cast. Be ready for 2014.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: JHHolliday, 11/12/2012 1:59:04 PM     (No. 9009249)

I am sick of being told by those on the left that we have to change. By that they mean go left and become a permanent second place party.

I vote Reublican because their candidates come the closest to my views. I still believe abortion for convenience is murder and am damned well not going to change because it might get more votes or it´s the ´with it´ and progressive view.

I have heard all this ´magnanimous´ advice from the leftists before but the Republican Party has never won and never will win trying to be a lesser version of the Democrats. I´ll stick with what I believe, thanks, or go down with the ship if that´s the way it has to be.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: bluefindad, 11/12/2012 2:05:31 PM     (No. 9009268)

Second, gay marriage. On this, simply — who cares? America 2012 has enormous problems. Is this really an issue that matters to — anyone? Christians, two men getting married doesn’t affect your marriage in any way. Get over it.

First, if the author thinks that I, and a vast number of Christian voters will support anyone who openly advocates gay marriage, he is delusional. This is a moral issue - a character issue.

Second, is the author actually believes that there is no fiscal impact from destroying our moral infrastructure, he is more than delusional. The further degradation of the sanctity of marriage will continue to destroy families. Marriage will become a matter of temporal convenience. Divorce rates will accelerate, and the cost of divorce will add to our social burden. Further, policies that economically favor marriage will have to be rescinded because so many will marry solely for economic benefit.

Finally, abortion must be recognized as a critical boundary, a redoubt demarking our resistance to the devaluation of human life that threatens to become the hallmark of the ´managed society´. People like Holdren, who believe that animals and humans are equivalent and should be equally ´humanely´ treated, will fall to Peter Singer´s philosophy of the humane allocation of resources. Human life will be weighed according to measures established by ´death panels´ and extinguished or allowed to continue accordingly. All of this begins with our attitude toward abortion. Once we accept abortion, our slide down this slippery slope will inevitably accelerate.



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Reply 25 - Posted by: gmoore, 11/12/2012 2:22:16 PM     (No. 9009315)

Either there are real differences between Liberals and Conservatives, or members of each party are interchangeable parts and it doesn´t matter which one the public chooses.

Sounds like some of the Republican pundits are suggesting that the Republican Party needs to become "Democrat-lite" to win more voters. That only succeeds if the Conservatives in the Republican Party are prepared to sacrifice the core values of conservatism.

Conservatives need to clearly define their core principles which make them different from liberals in BOTH PARTIES. Making that case that the conservative approach is better for everybody needs to be the focus when discussing the issues every day and with each election.

Conservatives also need to recognize that some people will never accept these principles, and that the Conservatives will lose elections because of this. Better to lose while true to your conservative principles than to win by sacrificing your principles on the liberal altar of convenience.



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Reply 26 - Posted by: maitaisoo, 11/12/2012 2:33:50 PM     (No. 9009340)

I really wish that Obama tests the 22nd Amendment in 2016... run for a 3rd term. Why shouldn´t he?

I would bet good money that the voters re-elect him again with the LSM´s complicity. This happens and it will finally prove beyond a doubt how "stuck-on-stupid" the US voter really is.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: Axeman, 11/12/2012 3:04:42 PM     (No. 9009407)

Time for a more Constitutional, America loving party.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: Stopstoreload, 11/12/2012 5:13:53 PM     (No. 9009601)

Nonsense. The purpose of the Republican Party is to oppose the evil Democratic Party. It ain´t brain surgery; whoever they put up to run the country, you vote for the other guy. I would have voted for Jo-Jo the dog-faced boy before letting Obama win.

Heaven preserve us from know nothings, and do nothings and feeble whiners.

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Posted By: MissMolly- 4/15/2014 4:51:46 AM     Post Reply
Funny question in the headline, yes? But since President Obama worries more about the threat of terrorists´ improvised nuclear device going off in a major American city than anything Russia can throw at us, I was wondering if the government had deigned to share with us citizens any tips for, you know, surviving something their own intelligence points to as the likeliest unlikely Black Swan event. Well, no. And yes. No — very few people in Washington, D.C., who work for the government have any idea what they would do if a 10-kiloton nuclear device exploded at the intersection of 16th and K

Obama taps gay bishop to wrap Easter
Prayer Breakfast with invocation

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Washington Times, by Cheryl K. Chumley    Original Article
Posted By: jackson- 4/15/2014 9:25:28 AM     Post Reply
When President Obama needed a preacher to fulfill the closing prayer duties at the annual White House Easter Prayer Breakfast, he turned to none other than the Episcopal Church’s first openly gay bishop — who said he was as shocked as anyone at the appointment. The Right Rev. Gene Robinson said in a tweet, accompanied by a photo of Mr. Obama behind a podium at the event: “POTUS ‘preaches’ at the Easter prayer breakfast. Then, out of the blue, asks ME to close with prayer. OMG!” Newsmax said he also emphasized that the words he chose to close the breakfast

Obama Selects First Openly Gay
Episcopal Bishop to Lead Easter Prayer

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Mediaite, by Andrew Kirell    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/14/2014 12:46:05 PM     Post Reply
President Obama pulled a surprise move Monday at the White House’s Easter Prayer Breakfast when he selected Gene Robinson to lead the closing prayer. Robinson is famously known as the first openly gay Episcopal bishop. Talking Points Memo’s Tom Kludt spotted the following tweet from Robinson, who was in attendance: (Tweet) Robinson, 66, became diocesan bishop of New Hampshire in March 2004. He retired in January 2013 and is currently a senior fellow at the progressive

Developing: Russian fighter jet buzzes
U.S. Navy destroyer in Black Sea

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Associated Press, by Lolita C. Baldor    Original Article
Posted By: Desert Fox- 4/14/2014 12:49:12 PM     Post Reply
A Russian fighter jet made multiple, close-range passes near an American warship in the Black Sea for more than 90 minutes Saturday amid escalating tensions in the region, a U.S. military official said Monday. In the first public account of the incident, the official said the Russian Fencer flew within 1,000 yards of the USS Donald Cook, a Navy destroyer, at about 500 feet above sea level. Ship commanders considered the actions provocative and inconsistent with international agreements, prompting the ship to issue several radio queries and warnings. The fighter appeared to be unarmed and never was in danger of

Atlanta Braves flooded with Hank
Aaron hate mail: He’s a ‘s*****g’

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Washington Times (D.C.), by Cheryl K. Chumley    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/15/2014 3:23:19 PM     Post Reply
Hank Aaron’s recent comments about the need for America to realize that racism is still very much alive and thriving — only now due to those who wear “neckties and starched shirts” rather than KKK hoods — has sparked an angry backlash and many fans are turning the tables, calling the baseball legend himself a racist. “Hank Aaron is a s*****g piece of [expletive] [racial slur],” one man said in an email to the Atlanta Braves’ front office, one of the teams Mr. Aaron used to play for, CBS News reported. “My old man instilled in my mind from a

You´re in denial if
you think Steve Israel is
wrong about GOP racism

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Daily Beast, by Michael Tomasky    Original Article
Posted By: Fiesta del sol- 4/14/2014 6:09:58 AM     Post Reply
Some time back, whenever a big racial controversy erupted, I trained myself into the habit of reading about it at FoxNews.com, just for the unbelievable comment threads. Let’s put it this way: If my friends and I went out to a bar and started playing a “let’s write the racist FoxNews.com comment thread” drinking game, our efforts couldn’t begin to approach what I read there.I wasn’t alone. Liberal websites started feasting on these threads. And so, a couple of years ago, Ailes & Co. got wise. Stories about race were, at least in my disheartened experience, closed to comments.


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