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Gingrich culpability in Romney loss
Fortune, by Dan Primack

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Posted By:StormCnter, 11/10/2012 4:35:21 AM

In the aftermath of President Obama´s victory over Mitt Romney, there has been a lot of attention paid to how the Obama campaign successfully defined Romney as an out-of-touch corporate raider. And most of the credit has gone to Obama campaign boss Jim Messina, who made a "grand bet" to saturate the summer airwaves with anti-Romney ads while the GOP nominee was still recovering from a drawn-out primary battle. But this victory narrative misses a very large point: Messina´s gamble was enabled by Newt Gingrich. The Romney campaign was well aware that Bain Capital

Rick Perry did his share of that type of attack, too, much to my disappointment.


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Reply 1 - Posted by: aerocrafter, 11/10/2012 4:52:25 AM     (No. 9004446)

Like many of you, I remember thinking at the time, "Whatever happened to Reagan´s 11th commandment?" But instead, we ate our own and fed the other side. Will we never learn?.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Spidey, 11/10/2012 4:57:57 AM     (No. 9004449)

Just about all of Romney´s opponents violated Reagan´s 11th commandment. Newt´s super backer ran some nasty ads against Romney and Santorum never getting behind him,did him no favors either.

I was a longtime fan of Newt until this nasty mudslinging came along. The liberals are the enemy not other republicans.

Now you have Ron Paul crying about how the country is lost but he wouldn´t endorse Romney.This guy didn´t help our cause either.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: PageTurner, 11/10/2012 5:04:03 AM     (No. 9004453)

Romney did some utterly rotten ads against Newt, downplaying his stellar role in Congress, putting a collar on Clinton, forcing fiscal discipline. The bad stuff went two-ways.

It does underline he importance of Reagan´s Maxim. Nobody should be permitted to run on the GOP ticket who has not pledged to adopt it in the next election.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: Kelly White, 11/10/2012 6:25:29 AM     (No. 9004509)

Oh please!! How culpable was George H.W. Bush is Reagan´s 1980 loss? You remember, all that stuff about "voodoo economics"/s. Romney got the Republican nomination because he went super negative on Perry, Gingrich, Santorum, and Bachmann. He lost the presidential election because because he failed to go super negative on Obama. Negative campaigning works - as Rush says, "Learn it, love it, live it".

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Reply 5 - Posted by: coldoc, 11/10/2012 6:53:35 AM     (No. 9004542)

Our political system has been corrupted and usurped by an agenda driven media who failed to vet obama or report the news. I question whether this is the media the founding fathers really wanted to protect. They have become the enemy, rather than reporting on the enemy.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Judith, 11/10/2012 7:09:50 AM     (No. 9004568)

Here in MA I listened to too many people who advocated for what the dems were saying....steal the money of the rich, target certain groups and just take what you want. I hold the voters and our public education as a reason for this awful political set of people. And a DEADLY lack of common sense.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: Malia2012, 11/10/2012 7:11:37 AM     (No. 9004572)

What #2 said..In all my years of voting, I have never seen a Conservative-Republican attacking capitalism... Newt Gingrich did. Shame on him. obama would have done it anyway, but I´m sure he appreciated the leg up he was given by Newt and some of the other GOP candidates during the Primaries. There is more than enough blame to go around for losing the election. We Republicans are known for pointing fingers at each other, while the demonrats party on.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: tonyl, 11/10/2012 7:28:41 AM     (No. 9004602)

the whole bunch of them in the primaries were no help to Mitt in Nov. It was like Mitt was running against ted Kennedy again. Mitt was the nomiminee from the beginning and they all knew it. The whole agonizing process helped the dems by tarnishing Mitt and making him spend millions where he could have used that money last week. I also said last winter that if gingrich did get the nomination, he would never be able to physically campaign and would look like a harggard old man buy Nov.6.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: krause, 11/10/2012 8:19:28 AM     (No. 9004677)

The new rule is that you are allowed to lie to get elected. ´I´ll cut the budget in half,´ ´I´ll go through the budget line by line,´ ´I´ll have the most transparent administration ever.´ Obama had no intention of doing any of this. He still doesn´t. Do you think he worries about the debt? The murders in Benghazi? He doesn´t, and half the people, and the old media, don´t care either.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: cym rhondda, 11/10/2012 8:29:36 AM     (No. 9004699)

#4. Thanks. I really appreciate your sentiments. Mitt spread as much dandruff and had as many warts as anyone else in the primaries.

The nature of a hard fought campaign means just that. But for some to suggest that Mitt was ABOVE the fray of ´Cut and Thrust´ politics is to deny the facts, and just plain childish.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: bugboy, 11/10/2012 8:29:37 AM     (No. 9004700)

More of the ´blame someone else for your problems´. Romney lost period! No one else!

Think back to the last person to beat Romney. I seem to recall a fellow called McCain. If McCain beat him how did anyone ever think Obama wouldn´t.

I underestimated the stupidity of the American voter. Vote for someone that will look you straight in the eye and lie is nothing more then blissful ignorance or outright stupidity. I think the latter.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Passion, 11/10/2012 8:38:48 AM     (No. 9004719)

You people need a memory check. Newt and Herman Cain were the only two NOT attacking other Republicans through all the debates heading into Iowa, and Newt was forging ahead. Then the field attacked Newt in Iowa, including primarily Mitt´s campaign and his super pac. Then Newt did respond poorly with Bain, but Obama was going to do that anyway.
But check your history. Mitt, Ron Paul, and Michelle´s camps started the internal food fight. Up til then, Newt was focused on only Obama.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: TOOTALL, 11/10/2012 8:57:01 AM     (No. 9004767)

It is truly a shame because Mitt had many of the correct ideas to solve our problems. He was a bad candidate however. He never took on Obama, except for the first debate . He let the Dems (not Newt) define him as opposed to fighting back against the slime campaign. Had too many skeletons in the closet, and on election day his GOTV software didn´t work in the battleground states! Now that could have been sabatoge, but no matter, it should have been anticipated....or the person incharge of that on the implimentation level was a poor hire.....which reflects poorly on the boss in such a crucial area.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: msjena, 11/10/2012 8:58:27 AM     (No. 9004769)

Why was Newt--or Herman Cain or Michelle Bachmann--even running? They had no chance of getting the nomination,let alone winning the Presidency. All they did was split the votes and, in Newt´s case at least, damage the candidates who did have a chance. Granted, it was a weak field, but I hope the next time around, we see maybe two or three strong candidates who honor Ronald Reagan´s commandment.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: ramona, 11/10/2012 9:02:57 AM     (No. 9004780)

When your party chooses a candidate most likely to be caricatured by the opposition, and that candidate rolls over and allows the caricature to stand - and even be strengthened - this is what happens. I felt heartsick during and after the third debate. Kept thinking, Why did they send Milquetoast MItt out when it should have been Mitt the MIghty? I had to take the dog out for an extra long walk after that debacle to clear my mind and work out the anger I felt, that I had finally been duped into believing Mitt could win and that I could vote for him (instead of against 0).

Newt showed them all how to handle the press - invaluable lessons - and MItt chose to ignore this gift. Mitt is a good man. He was a lousy candidate.
Ramona (the Pest)

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Reply 16 - Posted by: noparallel, 11/10/2012 9:57:47 AM     (No. 9004919)

#8--Mittens was the chosen won from the beginning? Why wasn´t the whole right-wing cabal informed so we could get in step with the marching orders?

Hey dummy, it´s called a Primary. We are supposed to get to choose who we want, not the RNC. When they choose for us, we all lose.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: Chuzzles, 11/10/2012 9:58:10 AM     (No. 9004920)

Totally agree that Romney was part of the food fight. Not that Newt would have been a good candidate. Herman Cain was smeared out of the primaries because he would have showed the Obama voters what an actual decent hardworking man of color looked like. Liberals just hate that.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: Cleanhousein2012, 11/10/2012 9:59:01 AM     (No. 9004925)

Blaming Newt because Romney was a bad candidate? Romney´s folks told enough lies as they trashed everyone of his competitors. To bad they chose not to do that to Obama.

Newt would at least hav shown up in all 3 debates. Not just tried to run out the clock after the first one.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: Eheu Fugaces, 11/10/2012 10:13:42 AM     (No. 9004964)

#2 - Sorry, but your perceptions may be a bit confused. You should have watched the ugly, ferocious anti-Gingrich ads that the "independent" pro-Romney group (run by an ex-campaign staffer of MItt´s) were running down here in Florida 24/7 on TV. And I wasn´t someone who was backing Newt for President, but these ads left me with a very sour stomach. Add to that the desire to clear the decks of Sarah Palin -- and her dingbat supporters, like me -- and you have someone who eventually reluctantly dragged herself to the polls to vote for Romney.

Unlike some others I know, I wasn´t turned off enough to sit home, but I would strongly suggest that the insults, direct and implied, showered on supporters of candidates other than Romney, produced their own bitter fruit. Blaming us for Romney´s deficiencies as a candidate, and his supporters´ deficiencies as "fence-menders" is hardly going to set the GOP on the road to recovery.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: tomishere, 11/10/2012 11:16:04 AM     (No. 9005120)

People this isn´t about negative ads, they all ran negative ads. This is about a candidate Gingrich a so called conservative attacking capitalism, along with that dope Perry. We had our own candidates attacking capitalism, the core of conservatism, Those of you who see a Rino conspiracy to get Romney elected, I suggest you get evaluated for medication

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Reply 21 - Posted by: god of irony, 11/10/2012 11:31:08 AM     (No. 9005160)

Enough navel gazing!!!!! It time to take down their media and their idealogy

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Reply 22 - Posted by: geoman, 11/10/2012 11:39:56 AM     (No. 9005184)

After the primaries, I got behind the Romney campaign. BS for blaming Perry or Gingrich on Romney´s loss. Romney wasn´t playing softball during the primaries nor should have his opponents. Romney´s team was as nasty as they come in making personal attacks on the other candidates, even if his hands were technically clean. After Romney sewed up the nomination, he failed to respond to the wave of democrat attacks. On this very sight - for months - folks speculated as to why Romney failed to counter the democrat´s attacks. I kept hearing, "just wait for ..." Romney chose a strategy, followed it, and failed. There is no other culpability. To suggest otherwise is to suggest it was Romney´s "turn" and the other candidates owed him treatment akin to how the MSM strokes Obama.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: tisHimself, 11/10/2012 11:46:44 AM     (No. 9005196)

Gingrich conducted a positive campaign by design up until Florida, when he was ahead and Romney was drawing his usual, six year, 26% support when Romney´s PAC flooded Hispanic airwaves lying about Gingrich´s immigration policy. Prior to Pennsylvania, Romney trotted out his "revised" tax plan, which looked an awful lot like Gingrich´s website. Gingrich was specific on approach to immigration and the dangers of Obama foreign and domestic visions for America. His message resonated, he drew larger crowds.
To revisit history in an effort to offer some romanticized version of the wonderful candidacy of MHR is nonesense. He was a well funded, well organized liberal republican unable to connect. Gingrich may not have been the right guy, but he had the right message. No matter how handsome, a guy who made his money closing plants and making wealthy insiders more wealthy is never going to get traction with a populist message.

The establishment wanted a guy who wasn´t going to upset their political status and wouldn´t allow the T party to expand its antiWallstreet, antiWashington message. They got him, he lost. Predictably.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: cgood, 11/10/2012 11:51:25 AM     (No. 9005207)

Back to Romney-bashing and eating our own... #5 has it right. It´s time to channel our anger and go after the real enemy. Time to work in earnest to overcome the media´s propaganda.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: mitzi, 11/10/2012 11:57:43 AM     (No. 9005220)

Everyone is coming up with a reason for Romney´s loss.

Answer: Obamaphones! The vast majority of B.O.´s voters don´t even have a clue who Gingrich is!

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Reply 26 - Posted by: 49 Ford, 11/10/2012 12:10:22 PM     (No. 9005240)

#23 - you assert that Gingrich´s message resonated and that he drew larger crowds, but also insist he "may not have been the right guy"?


There was no conservative Golden Boy out there, and no number of fitful posts on this board could have made it so.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: tisHimself, 11/10/2012 12:24:03 PM     (No. 9005261)

There was a conservative message out there that had traction. Right message, probably the wrong guy. You nominate a liberal republican mouthing vague conservative platitudes nuanced by consultants with no vision beyond the Sunday talk shows, conservatives work hard on his behalf, he loses. Don´t blame Gingrich.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: enuf8, 11/10/2012 12:25:35 PM     (No. 9005265)

Have to find someone to blame as they cannot pin the loss on Gov. Palin, try as they might. She endorsed 5 for Senate and 4 out of 5 won.
A milktoast candidate on par with the McCain of 2008---not even the "Elitist Establishment" wanted him as first choice-----remember all they tried and failed to talk into running.
That plus what seems to be massive voter fraud put the Fraudulent idiot back into the WH.
The only hope would be for Congress to be strong enough to prove the treasonous acts during the last 4 years to get an indictment and put him and his cronies in Leavenworth.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: dman, 11/10/2012 2:25:44 PM     (No. 9005465)

Romney did more of his share of violating Reagan´s 11th commandment. Remember all the anti-Gingrich negative ads in Florida.

Live by the sword, .. (you know the rest)

Time for Gingrich, Palin, Cain, Perry, Blue Dog Dems, and others to walk away and start a new party. Let the Elites keep the GOP. The middle-class is desperate for real representation.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: ArtieC, 11/10/2012 9:05:43 PM     (No. 9006167)

We need to stop this blame game right now. The opposition, along with their running dogs in the media put out an incessant message the people swallowed hook, line and sinker. No more, no less.

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I had an extraordinary telephone conservation with my 86-year-old black dad, a lifelong Democrat and huge Obama fan. He called to ask me, “Is Obama anti-Christian?” Dad has been a Christian pastor for over 50 years. I said, “Dad, I have been telling you about Obama´s anti-Christian policies for the past five years.” Dad replied, “And I have not been listening.” Dad confessed that he simply could not bring himself to go against a black man in the White House. I felt that dad was expressing the sentiments of many blacks of his era. I asked him to explain why

Westboro Baptist Church
founder Fred Phelps Sr.
´on the edge of death´

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New York Daily News, by Doyle Murphy    Original Article
Posted By: SoCalGal- 3/16/2014 4:36:23 PM     Post Reply
The Rev. Fred Phelps Sr., founder of the hate-fueled Westboro Baptist Church, is at “the edge of death,” his son reports. Nathan Phelps, who fled the infamous Kansas church more than 30 years ago, claims his notorious father was kicked out of the congregation he built and is now spending his final days in hospice care. “I´ve learned that my father, Fred Phelps, Sr., pastor of the "God Hates (deleted to clear site filter)" Westboro Baptist Church, was ex-communicated from the ‘church’ back in August of 2013,” Nathan Phelps wrote on Facebook. “He is now on the edge of death at

Top Republican: U.S. needs 1 million
more immigrants, not less

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Washington Examiner, by Paul Bedard    Original Article
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A top Republican campaigning for immigration reform is warning that America needs at least 1 million more immigrants every year just for basic farming and construction jobs, not ban like some in the party are advocating. Carlos Gutierrez, Commerce secretary under former President George W. Bush, said that without more immigrants, businesses won´t be able to grow because there aren´t enough workers available. And helping them could boost the Republican Party, added the former Kellogg Co. executive. Speaking at a Republican confab, he said that comprehensive immigration reform passed in the Senate and rejected by

Boston mayor to miss St. Patrick´s
parade over exclusion of gay marchers

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Reuters, by Elizabeth Barber    Original Article
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BOSTON- Boston´s Irish-American mayor will not march in the city´s St. Patrick´s Day parade on Sunday after failing to hammer out a deal with organizers to allow a group of gay and lesbian activists to march openly. Mayor Marty Walsh had tried to negotiate a deal with organizers, the conservative Allied War Veteran´s Council, to allow members of MassEquality, one of Massachusetts´ largest gay activist groups, to join the parade. "So much of our Irish history has been shaped by the fight against oppression," Walsh, the city´s first Irish-American mayor in 20 years, said in a statement. "As mayor of

MH370 flew as low as 1,500m
to avoid detection, says paper

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Malaysian Insider [Malaysia], by Staff    Original Article
Posted By: LittleHoodedMonk- 3/16/2014 11:59:43 PM     Post Reply
As the search for the missing flight MH370 enters its 10th day with few clues as to its whereabouts, the New Straits Times said today the Boeing 777-200ER dropped 5,000 feet (1,500m) to evade commercial radar detection. In an exclusive story, the government-backed paper said investigators analysing MH370’s flight data revealed that the 200-tonne, fully laden twinjet descended 1,500m or even lower to evade commercial (secondary) radar coverage after it turned back from its flight path en route to Beijing. (Snip) Investigators poring over MH370’s flight data had said the plane had flown low and used “terrain masking” as it

What killed off the giant beasts
– climate change or man?

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Observer [UK], by Robin McKie    Original Article
Posted By: Ribicon- 3/16/2014 10:05:46 AM     Post Reply
They were some of the strangest animals to walk the Earth: wombats as big as hippos, sloths larger than bears, four-tusked elephants, and an armadillo that would have dwarfed a VW Beetle. They flourished for millions of years, then vanished from our planet just as humans emerged from their African homeland. It is one of palaeontology´s most intriguing mysteries and will form the core of a conference at Oxford University this week when delegates will debate whether climate change or human hunters killed off the planet´s lost megafauna, as these extinct giants are known. "Creatures like megatherium, the giant sloth,

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