Is the 60 Mil for obama the AFC - After Fraud Count?

The only shift I saw was the stupid vote was out in full force. Thanks to the stupidity of social media like FB everybody now believes they are an informed voter as they "share" their idiocy. The things I saw as reasons for voting 'rat "if Romney wins I'll have to buy my birth control on the black market" made my head swim.

Something very odd seems to have happened. It is not surprising that Obama's total was down. Everyone knew it would be. But despite much more enthusiastic crowds than McCain, long lines of voters, a palpably united Republican Party, and news reports of a record turnout, Romney's total vote was not only down, it was lower than 2008. Quite literally, something does not add up.

As Soros said, it's not who votes but who counts the votes.

Did not we outsource our national vote counting?

No wonder the Chicago boyz were so sure of the outcome, IMHO.

Starting July 4th weekend and right up to Election Day I took a survey with a pad and pencil in my car of which candidates bumper sticker was on what auto manufacturer's car.

It appears maybe Mr. Obama did not actually save the U.S. auto business as the result follow:

Obama: U.S. makes 6, Foreign makes 38
Romney: U.S. makes 47, Foreign makes 11

Site of Survey: St. Louis and suburbs, Missouri. All street, roads and interstates.

I will never, ever believe Obama won this election fair and square.

That's my take, #5. Something doesn't add up. And the counts are still changing.

I've felt let down with elections in the past, this one leaves me puzzled and upset because of the enthusiasm, the huge crowds and the polls, for all their faults, that indicated Romney had more than a positive chance in NC, FL, and VA, then lost all three plus every other swing state in squeakers. It would take very, very little manipulation in each of these races to swing the vote.

My feeling you could say is "uncomfortable." Or, not yet angry!

Re bumper sticker survey: The O stickers were almost always on Made in Japan Prius* to show that owners are somehow superior to us red necks in SUVs and large cars.

* what is plural of Prius? Pria? Pretentious?

How stupid. Blame anyone and everyone but yourself. The demographics have and are shifting. Old white males will not win you national elections anymore.

Wake up people and tell yourselves the truth. If you hate and attack everyone who is different than you - you will continue to get less and less votes. This is not rocket science. You are NOT the representation of all that is good, beautiful, pure and true.

It is way past time to start befriending people and listening to them. YOu could learn a lot!

#7... I agree w/ your larger question but one correction. Obama did not win NC. Romney did. We were the one state that repudiated Obama, , albeit by a small margin.

You can deny the demographic shift all you like. One only needs to look at the dwindling white birthrate and the explosive birthrate in new immigrant communities. I go back to the fact that (if you can believe the reports) Obama won with only 39% white support.

The election was fought in NINE states. The rest of us merely watched and gave money. There is a major demographic shift, the electorate is becoming younger and less white. Georgia is going to be a swing state in 2016, Arizona and Texas soon after that. We are going to go through a period where Democrats win in Presidential Election years when casual voters turn out and Republicans win in non Presidential years. Republicans need to make some decisions before those casual voters grow up and become life long Democrats.

YOur right #7, I listened to Obama supporters, most couldn't put together a coherent sentence, then there were those women who said that if Romney was elected he would do away with abortion and contraception, then there was this other person who said Romney would have all the Starbucks closed down because he doesn't drink coffee. That is a really intelligent electorate out there.

Excuse me that should be #9, my apologies #7.

#9 I don't hate people but I deeply dislike arseholes like you who think that calling someone an "old White Person" makes you superior...and that never, ever will a white man win an election again...get real..

According to an analysis of the data by Sean Trende today at RCP, the reason Romney lost is that 7 million fewer white voters turned out than in 2008. He theorizes that white voters must have been more less energized to vote for Romney than McCain, possibly due to Obama attack ads. Really? But the attack ads played to the fears of minority blocks, not white voters. Very strange.

BTW, if this is what the demographic shift is giving this country we will not exist as a nation, for when the freebies run out and everyone needs to fend for themselves it will become an wasteland, heck seems like major liberal cities are already becoming that, i.e. Detroit

The Republican nominees in 2004 and 2008 got more votes than Romney (i.e. changing demographics does not account for this loss of votes).



Why did Romney get less votes than McCain and Bush? Who are these voters? Where did they go? Evangelicals? Did they stay home because of Romney's religion?


These are questions that need to be answered. There is no reason why Romney should have got less votes than John McCain based on demographics.

I made a small list of my views on what may have defeated Gov Romney. I open it up for discussion, civil.

a. The Republican Primary. To many to nasty, gave ammo to the DNC.
b. Sara Palin never getting behind Gov Romney an bringing along her folks.
c. Failure to take the Latino vote seriously, might have been better to have picked Rubio as VP.
d. Gov ROmney being Mormon.
e. To many RINO's, GOP Pundits, trashing Gov Romney.
f. Last but not least, the LSM.

Thank you.

"some of the party's base has wandered into the Tea Party and Ron Paul camps, where Romney was never fully welcomed, if embraced at all."

It takes two to Tango. I don't recall Romney accepting any invitations to Tea Party rallies, though I think Paul Ryan did. And, I vividly remember how team Romney stiff-armed both the Tea Party and Ron Paul at the convention, pushing thru last-minute rule changes and refusing to seat duly elected representatives of some states (e.g. most of Maine's delegation).

Romney's handlers thought that embracing the Tea Party base would limit his appeal to moderates, and that, in the end, we'd all still come out and vote for him. He was wrong.

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Allen West is demanding that voting machines be impounded in his district due to "irregularities". I'm interested to see if they allow an examination. I'd at least like to know we haven't been hacked.

This article and comments give me a chance to say it again: We have a two party system. If you don't show up to vote for the guy you favor most, the other guy will win.

Staying at home or wasting your vote for your favorite third party candidate, your brother Ernie, or anyone else is stoopid beyond belief, and those who did do are too stoopid to live.

Rush Limbaugh expressed the gist of the cause of the recent disaster in one short line: You don't vote against Santa Claus.

Interesting take, but the writer seems to be focusing primarily on the total popular vote.

It was demographic shifts in "swing" states, like Virginia, Nevada and Colorado, that were part of the reason Obama won.

In the case of CO and NV, a large increase in the numbers of Hispanic voters put Obama over the edge.

In the case of VA, the ever-burgeoning number of federal bureaucrats and other fed gov't employees -- the vast majority of whom vote Dim-- is now overwhelming the more conservative rural areas.

And look out folks, Texas is next. This electoral-vote-rich, traditionally conservative state is likely to go blue soon. If not in 2016, then by 2020.

Rush Limbaugh expressed the gist of the cause of the recent disaster in one short line:
You don't vote against Santa Claus.

I would like to see an analysis of the down ballot votes for Republicans versus the top of the ticket votes. I know that there are those who would mix votes and some who may not vote the top of the ticket, but there has to be an historical average. This could tell us if there was some books cooked. I would also look at some specific races where we looked very good and lost. Mia Love for example.

A friend of mine, a middle-aged, professional single woman with a doctoral degree (and also a seminary-trained evangelical), actually spoke these words to me to explain why she would vote for Obama: "Mitt Romney wants to control my vagina." As tactfully as I could, I tried to explain that Mitt Romney had no interest at all in her "lady parts." She wasn't buying.

#10, I stand corrected. Romney did win NC.

Another dynamic that doesn't make sense in the total vote column is the population growth. This indicates that few voters since Bush did went for Romney and a huge number of us "Old White guys" either died or didn't vote.

Also, why are all my searches going back to Nov 6 and talking about the race being close and the counts still coming in? I am having trouble getting current data. Is it just me?

We don't all have to live by the political philosophy of Ca., NY, NJ, or IL. Stop using the federal government to impose your ruin on everyone else.

Poster #3 -- I totally agree with your feelings, as mine are the same. It just does not make any sense that Romney lost. I think I could feel better if it all had just came down to Ohio and he lost by a squeaker. But for Romney to lose Florida, Ohio, Va, NV...somethings just not right. And the Wi vote doesn't make sense either. How could Walker win his recall so easily and Romney do worse? Somethings wrong, but there's not enough people who will voice enough concern to re-look at vote. So we're sunk lol

What about the voting machines that switched a Romney vote to Obama? Can we really believe they were fixed? I can't believe that many Republicans sat home after 4 years of Obama. Those people bother me as much as the useful idiots voting for Obama.

I generally agree #19, but not on the "too nasty" primaries since all supported Mitt in the end. Sarah did too, I believe. It toughened Mitt for Obie, too.

Early primaries did open sores about Mitt's early liberal tendencies, although I believe those are false... but more correctly realities of political life in Massachusetts. I think he's a conservative at heart.

I'm concerned Mormonism was an issue, but not openly admitted by those who withheld votes.

Media definitely.

My final take; the makers may not yet be outnumbered by the takers. Too many couldn't get over Mitt's mythical liberal positions such as Romneycare,

10 mil less votes than McCain....blows my mind.

I'm sorry... this election was lost because of females who want the 'right' to kill their babies. Make any election about killing babies and these brain-dead females and their gloating male co-conspiritors, who refuse to take responsibility for their actions, flock to the polls like sheep to a slaughter.

I'm not convinced re demographics.

2008: "Republican Party is dead, a new liberalism prevails."
2010: sea change has occurred,nothing's the same.
2012: Obama's reelection (ugh)but the same House of 2010 and the same Senate (sans idiocy-induced losses in MO and IN)

The election wasn't stolen - the House and Senate makeup would have changed dramatically too. We simply didn't get enough people enthused about Romney despite appearances.

It's hard to unseat incumbents. Other than Carter, the only one who got defeated was Bush Sr. - and without Ross Perot's candidacy and perhaps Pat Buchanan's candidacy, that story may have been different too.

After the self-pity orgy, I have a couple of suggestions for all of us. First, we should try to raise our children with our beliefs and encourage them to become educators, or education will move in the same direction it has. Second, we should encourage them to become communicators - whether in the press or through some other similar influence. Otherwise the press will stay the same too.

We start out disadvantaged because of the indoctrination of educators and the press, and we still often win. Imagine what we could do if we could actually start influencing the public narrative (a word I hate but I can't come up with a better one right now) beyond what we are doing on the internet. Imagine it, and then do it. Get energized again. Like trying to keep squirrels out of your bird feeder, this is a battle that we have to fight every day or we are guaranteed to lose.

Romney won because conservatives stayed home, no matter how much they despised OBama.

Romney got the job by spreading filthy lies about honorable men also running for the Republican nomination.

Many of us didn't forgive him.

What #15 said. BTW, I really don't think we need lectures from people who seem to have stumbled unto the wrong site to rant about "old white males" and Conservatives in general... Not that THAT's an attack! Of course not! With all due respect to #9, by accusing US of "hating and attacking people" are YOU not "hating and attacking US? Guess for some it depends on WHO is hating who.