Californians approved a measure Tuesday that raises taxes on the wealthy and hikes the state sales tax. It is expected to bring in $6 billion a year, on average, over five years. Proposition 30, which Governor Jerry Brown has lobbied heavily for, captured 54% of the vote. Its approval prevents massive budget cuts to the state's public schools and universities. Brown built the tax hike into his budget so its passage was critical. Among the hardest hit by the Great Recession, California has had to slash billions of dollars from its budget in recent years
Comments: Expect Hollywood liberal elites to flee CA in droves.
Oh this even gets better. Seems that the good people of California have given the democrats a full 2/3's majority in both houses of the legislature. The dems are free to spend and regulate at will, the Republicans might not as well show up, they have no say about anything. Sure glad we moved from there in 2001.
...when this fails to halt the decline of CA, when this somehow fails to expire on it's intended date, then this fails to save the schools, when this fails to halt the libs in CA from finding other uses for the money, when this fails to halt the teachers unions from spending it all on pensions, when this fails, I'm sure we'll be reading in all of the papers how this failure is a test case for Obama's future plans for America.
Hey great plan California. No, certainly those with wealth won't just leave and take their wealth, jobs and business out of your state right? s/o You folks are really that dumb? I know, of course you are.
It's a really simple concept- penalize or raise the tax on it, you get less of it; reward or allow profit on it, you get more of it. Raising the tax rate on it doesn't always work out they way government thinks it will. Some people have brains and know how to use them. But hey, we'll take your wealthy over here in Virginia so long as they leave their failed politics behind.
Just FYI, some of us who were born and raised in California have no choice but to stay here to care for elderly parents. So, do have some pity....we're not all crazies, but we have to deal with them every single day. Also, most of them are not "natives" but have arrived from other states.
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Linda Ann, 11/7/2012 3:31:42 PM (No. 8997301)
We don't want them in Texas either. They made their bed, now lie in it. Don't bring your California ideas over here.
Well, considering Hollywood, it couldn't happen to a more willing bunch of people, I'm sure. After all, this the land of faithful leftists. .... And just think, this tax is only for California. Wait until they get hit by the government.
Now this ... will be fun to watch. Remember, though,: when Obama/Reid/Pelosi come knocking on your State's door for the largest bail-out in the history of civilization, make sure your Governors, Congresscritters, State Attornies General, etc. understand that their very lives (and I mean that literally) depend on their ability to say, with force and certainty, "Hell No".
As we saw yet again on that miserable map last night, California along with many states are overwhelmingly red by county and only blue in the urban areas.
There are a lot of good people in those red counties in bright blue states. Sad that their strident and brave voices are totally screamed over by the "gimme gimme free Obama stuff" hoards of stupid entitlement class minorities, young fools, and slutty women in the cities.
I do feel for you who can not move as I too have elderly parents and can't just pack up and leave.
Californians approved a massive tax hike on the wealthy which will send the wealth in droves to states which have lower or no income taxes. This is going to backfire like a joke exploding cigar, and all it will do is increase the price at the cash register for everyone while the "rich" bail out like rats from a sinking burning ship.
Please forgive this second post. My apologies to #16 and 23. We had a similar responsibility for several years. My mother-in-law moved from PA and in with us. No doubt she saved herself quite a lot in taxes and on her later health care cost too. You have my sympathy and my respect.
last week I would have just thought this was kommiefornia slitting its own throat again. But given that the looters are also still in charge in DC this will probably occur nationwide soon. There will be no escape unless you have the ability and resources to leave the country. *sigh*
There are a lot of wealthy people in CA who I would love to have in Texas. Even if they are liberals, they will not change the politics -- their numbers are not great enough. Just bring your money and put it into our real estate markets. We can give CA our illegals -- that would be a fair trade.
I heartily agree with all the gloaters above. This piece of gotcha news has finally brightened my day after yesterday's fiasco. Yes Gov Brown, push the knife in a little deeper and twist it. Bwa ha ha ha ha.
I am stuck in CA because for some unknown reason my guy wants to stay. As soon as possible I'll move back to Texas. Made more money in Texas and was far happier there. And after yesterday...well Texas looks like one of the few sane states in the union.
As of today I will be dropping my two business registrations here in California and incorporating in Nevada. I moved here in April, 1992 and have been witness to the deterioration of a once great state. Arizona, will you take me?
#16: I'm stuck here too, and I have no idea when we'll get out. What a disaster.
The thing is, we probably have the cleanest elections going because the Democrats know they don't even have to bother cheating because the California electorate is so stupid they'll vote the Dems way anyway.
What in the world is wrong with these people? Obama's money bags are going to flee like fleas or hide their money. The state will never be able to support itself. And frankly, we've got all we can do now to try an hold on here in the south. We lived in CA for 4 years.. long enough to see the outrageous "guidelines" and restrictions that were so costly. Funny thing is, most who live there know very little about how the rest of the states work. They just keep doing the same thing over and over. Insanity
Watch the one-percenters flee CA. When the money disappears, expect CA politicians to demand that federal dollars support their bankrupt state. And the sad thing is, they'll get it - it's that vote-buying thing.
Ha they deserve total confiscatory taxes on movie stars and singers only. Sadly lots of the freaks from San Fran moved to take over and RUIN Portland Oregon. Now Portlandia is more freakish and sick than even San Fran. Hey idiots south of us, WE DON'T WANT YOU UP HERE. STAY the 'H e double tooth picks' out of Oregon--the liberals already here are ruining Oregon faster than we working, God-fearing, family oriented folks can fix it.
#17, interesting point you bring up...We've had Californians move into several small towns, run for office and try to take over...until they were told in no uncertain terms to not bring their bad ideas to Texas...and we MEANT IT, they quickly backed off knowing we were serious and didn't play games!
California: A state with Mexican levels of productivity, American standards of living and Californian costs of living. There is no tax equilibrium solution.
The tax increases are temporary and really not that draconian but they will not solve very much. At best it gives the budget cutters more time to slash. One can expect the new revenue will dribble in at a good deal less than 6 billion a year. And then there is always those moving goal posts called the budget deficit. (Jan est was $9.2 B, May estimate at 16 B). It will grow and taxes whittle away at a shrinking private sector.
My concern is what happens when CA no longer has access to the bond market? And how is that 2/3 majority going to work? Will Brown have veto much of the craziness that is sure gush forth from the legislature? Will vetos even work?
Will someone please explain why the very people that go thru the effort of moving out of high tax environments like Ca. then proceed, (in their new states of residency) to advocate, and support the same ideas that they ran from?
The good news is that after this election the Democrats have a supermajority in Sacramento and Republicans can no longer "obstruct" (save) the state from whatever atrocious laws the Democrats want to pass. So no more blaming Republicans.
If Gov. Brown had only known, he wouldn't have had to push the sales and "rich" tax increase proposition. Of course, Sacramento can now override any of his vetoes.
As with any thread on California, some posters leap to castigate conservative LDotters as if they were liberal Democrats. My message to you is that if I want to move to your state, I will do just that and your whining won't stop me.
Take a look at the map again,. All the red states in the middle are going to end up bailing out Cali, Ill. and NY, and we don't control enough votes to keep it from happening. Thanks to all who didn't vote Romney, we're on the hook for at least the next four years.
I think we should hurry up and pass new legislation here in Texas. I suggest that if you are a rich liberal moving here from CA, you be assessed a relocation tax (amount to be determined by the citizens of the great state of Texas). Also, you must wait 10 years before you can vote. Maybe limit them to only one resident per voting district as well. Hey, a person can dream!
And once the wealthy have left California, what are the illegals, the druggies, the I-don't-want-to-work people going to do? I feel terrible for the elderly and the really sick. And when this starts happening in other states, just what are the wealthy going to go? And how are the illegals, the druggies, the I-don't-want-to-work people going to survive? By that time it should be a regular occurrence to not care for the elderly and the really sick.
The ignorant, stupid, gimme more voters will coast for a few years. There will be so many of them I don't see how the Republicans will ever get voted into office again. Which means this country will not be able to survive as the greatest place the world has ever seen.
For those Californians considering relocation, please remember that Obama wants to mess with the economies of the two strongest states, TX and ND. Both have energy-based economies, which right now are very healthy. However, I don't know how long their strength will last if Obama implements his ideas for energy policy.
Wow, it's like the whole state is brain dead. I love this quote "But the Legislative Analyst's Office warns that the measure depends heavily on the income of the wealthiest residents, which is volatile and difficult to predict." Yup, especially when the wealthy flee the state in droves.
NY is demonrat controlled and they're just as stupid as CA. NY wants to increase the minimum wage (again) and index it to inflation. That way when hyper-inflation hits, everyone will get paid $50/hour as minimum wage. Businesses and people are continuing to flee the state in droves. NY already lost 2 house seats (not that it's any great loss--2 less NYC demonrats in congress). Stupid is as stupid does.
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