Welcome to the most anticipated Ldotter Thread since Hanging Chad night in 2000. Feel free to chat in a dignified way. Keep your tempers under control and should the best thing happen, let's celebrate together. It's been a long hard slog. We couldn't have done it without each other.
Dont blame Romney, dont blame the media..its us (well not you and I per se)who elected O again. The American people will bear what this President does the next four years because we put him there. Take care, buy low in the stock market and be proud L-Dotters of who you are! Till the mid-terms, good night.
Post-mortem. My heart sank (1) when he picked Ryan (an accountant, for cripe's sake); and (2) when he made the campaign about the economy and nothing else. Note to Mitt: To the person on the street - the economy is not noticeably in the pits. Looks pretty normal. It may not be - but not enough to hand one's hat on and nothing else. (The yahoos are whooping it up in the streets here by the way).
#760 that is exactly what the house GOP should do... give the Dems everything they want and even pile on more for your district with earmarks. Give the majority idiots everything. The only way to effect change is for us to go through the same Greek tragedy.
For years my wife and I, both in our 40s, have had an exit plan. How we get move on with our life if and when the majority of our country demands a direction that conflicts so severely, so vehemently with what we see as reality. How we'd get that condo in that island nation for a smallish six figure investment, how we'd move to that Swiss canton and fund the elementary school...how we'd buy our way to life elsewhere.
And tonight, we've not given up that vision, that belief that this is the best country in the world, just that we have no interest in the long term future of the country should Obama get elected. That the system isn't going to get us where we want or need. That retirement is a joke for our generation, a hopeless cause. Thus our ties may be to look elsewhere. We're not disillusioned with our country, we're disillusioned with our electorate. There is no reason to put up with black panthers, with the media we've seen, with as good of a candidate and situation as we've had in many years...and this. This mess.
Our plan is revisited, our future re-examined. If...just if I wake up with more of biting my tongue, more hushed discussion when schoolchildren dedicate songs to their dear leader, when educated and formerly rational people take religious freedom from many. That's enough...tomorrow starts the end of the exit plan and the beginning of the exit action.
Some of us saw great danger at 7PM, and were called "Eyores", when the EC math never added up, barring a miracle.
Obama will wear on the people by 2014, and Repubs will make some gains in the House and Senate. By 2016, Democrats overall will wear on the electorate, and Repubs will have a real chance to win the WH.
See Arthur Schlesinger, JR's, classic on the cycles of American politics. Every 25 years the American electorate changes allegiances.
This current cycle all began with the election of Bill Clinton: 1992 (the elections of Dubya were the exceptions, not the rule).
By 2017, America's infatuation with the left will cease, and a return to the Right will occur.
If not, and Schlesinger Jr.'s previously correct theory does not hold true, then we are indeed a different country, and then lord help us.
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god of irony, 11/6/2012 11:34:04 PM (No. 8994618)
This is what happens when you don't educate the public and completely abandon huge, huge blocks of the electorate. The Republicans will never win the presidency again until they are willing to stand up and liberals on every single front from race to media to socialism to gender issues.
Fox is now admitting that they called it too soon. One quarter of the vote has yet to be counted in Ohio and the vote is very close. Carl Rove chewed Fox out for manipulating the election and they are now calling some people down from the decision desk to explain themselves. One can always hope.
I can't believe this. My heart is broken. I prayed so hard that we had learned the lesson God was trying to teach us these last 4 years but, I guess we didn't. Romney wasn't my first choice but, I still had hope. Now I have none. I hate everything right now.
The Tea Party must take over the Republican Party and wait for the utter meltdown of America, which will be happening within the next four years. But I won't be there. America is fini. I will be moving away. And I have made my last reply and post here. Love you all. Bye.
For those who have told us of their physical/health and economic struggles, for all here (and elsewhere) who grieve over the course our nation has taken, for our military who still bleed and die for us, we pray. We love you and we pray for you, we pray for us.
God help us all. Apart from the fact that our country will now be subjected to a continued cultural, economic, and international decline as the liberal agenda and mentality surges, we are also deprived of the incredible skill, honor,integrity and goodness of Mitt Romney as President. Romney wasn't just running against Obama was running against a full scale cultural shift, as would have been the case for ANY Republican Presidential candidate this year. Mitt gave it his very best shot, and we are honored to have supported him. Thank you Mitt, Ann, the Ryans and your families.
#793 (I think) The Advocate - I had heard that Obummer was going to declare victory early, but why? How would that hurt Romney? I do know that there was massive cheating. If we never get to fix that, how can we ever win anything??
When I was quite young - it occurred to me that the "Babylon" in Revelations 18 might be referring to America. I worry more about it all the time. If so, verse four advises us, "Come out of her my people."
Fear not. It is not over. fox has lost it's credibility. Ohio is still in play. Listening auto Rove. The numbers do noT add up. Why did Fox do it? Hill buzz said that Obama would. Call it prematurely do depress the vote. The Ft lady is still sitting.
I remember in 2004 all the libs were saying how they would move to another counrty if Bush was reelected. They never did, and none of you will either.... Quit being so dramatic. We'll get through this....
I really don't know what to say to anyone tonight. I just know it breaks my heart to see what has become of our nation... Laziness, sloth and greed.. People now vote for the individual who will give them the most bread and circus. Take a good look at the electoral map... That huge sea of red, being governed by the few who recieve their authority based on votes in those islands of blue. They take all they can from the people who live in the red areas for their own selfish needs, and to appease the lazy masses who live in the large city areas. And when they cannot get anymore, they intrude upon and probe into our lives to take more and more to satisfy the vanities of they who produce nothing, but consume everything.
I am angered and heart broken by what I see tonight. The America I once knew in years past, is becoming a fading memory. It never dawned upon me when I would see the day when bitterness and hatred would be a winning formula againsts true hope and optimism..
With the future so uncertain, I can only say God Speed my friends. Never run from the fight, and never give up.
I am just one person but I was looking at doing about $40,000 worth of renovation to my house, like now. I will now put it off until I see significant increases in housing prices here in California (bay area). My wife will not be pleased. Pray for me. Who is John Galt.
Are the same people here telling us we can survive another 4 years of obama the same ones who told us that the first four years would not harm us? Let it rest! He is going to destroy us this time and any Pollyanna harping is not going to tell us otherwise. Where in the hell have you been for the last 4 years that you think nothing can harm us until now??? We have already been screwed and the worst is yet to come now that the dictator thinks he has a mandate.
I feel blessed that I was born in 1948 and was thus able to be an American during some of our finest years. But I am also ashamed that my children and grandchildren will never again know the America I knew as a younger man - confidant, proud, strong and optimistic. As they say, the takers now outnumber the makers and America is on a downhill course that I fear we cannot stop. The barbarians are inside the gates now.
God is in this -- He has not forsaken us. Think about these facts:
GW let Clinton slide on his crimes when he took office. Mitt probably would have done the same for Barak. Now Barak faces a GOP-controlled congress who will make him face Benghazi. 2014 will be a B* for the Dems by that time in congress.
The sleeping giant that never votes (60% of us) may just wake up for the next election, when our dollar has fallen & our middle class can't support the handouts anymore.
Obamacare will show itself for what it really is: socialist medicine run by the ineptitude of the Federal Government.
Our representatives will continue to fight the guy at the top -- and we need to put extreme pressure on them (visa vis the Tea Party) to block liberal SC Justice nominations.
Our GOP had better rebuild itself from the bottom up & give us a True Conservative next time. P.S. For those of us who said here that a moderate couldn't win (in example McCain): WE TOLD YOU SO.
Four years from now when many of our millionaires and billionaires have up and left with their money and businesses it may really come to pass: when there are too many takers and too few workers. My kids and their kids will still be here but I will be long gone. And in my new life I will be looking out for them by finding opportunities when they decide to leave. I came here in 1975 having lived in Europe and the Far East, and I found here the most wonderful people. What our government is doing to them is harmful and cruel. Americans deserve better.
Where have i been the last 4 years? Ive been busting my hump building a rental real estate buisiness , i'm better off now than i was 4 years ago and not because of obama or anyone else. I am of average intelligence. If i can do ok, then anyone can. Manage your own destiny! You all sound like victims!!!
We've got 18-24 months before the whole sorry system collapses.
Convert money assets into precious metals, esp. easily traded gold coins and "trash" American silver coins (for small purchases).
Buy a house in a small self-sufficient, preferably church affliated community far from major metropolitian areas and southern border states
Consider becoming a Mormon. They take care of their own.
Stock your house well, learn a practical skill, something like small gas engine or refrigeration repair, animal butchery, beekeeping.
The Darkness to come will last a minimum hundred years so pass your copies of the Constitution, The Rights of Man, Adam Smith and Ayn Rand down to the brightest of your offspring. They will need them to begin the second renaissance.
''Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man. Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded - here and there, now and then - are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned and almost always opposed by all right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty.This is known as 'bad luck.'''-- Robert A. Heinlein
Has anybody else noticed that the Democrat counties in these close states are the ones that are being slow to report their ballots? It's so obvious that they are waiting to find out how many votes are needed to win so they can find them in the back of some car.
I got over the drama 2004--I nearly collapsed when I thought that traitor Kerry won. We will survive. We've got much bigger problems than Romney losing. At least 50% of the people in this country are blithering idiots. Romney winning wouldn't have changed that....very scary....but I've traveled a lot and noticed that most countries aren't any different--it's just that this was such a great country.....
The young people here don't understand what socialism is all about. We have all these social programs that people have become addicted to. So what do you expect? They expect free stuff, not caring that someone else has to pay for it. Obama bought their votes and the media are his partners in crime.
I'm finally ready to post and say how profoundly sad I am. I just went upstairs, scooped up my sleeping 4 month old and wept. I apologized to her and told her how very hard we tried to save the country for her. I told her how sorry I was that she will not be able to get the best healthcare, that she will be burdened with debt and that she will never be able to get ahead. It broke my heart. Goodnight all. Lucianne, thank you for this thread.
Let's truly thank Romney and team for their terrific effort. They really did wonderfully, as well as anyone could. I am so proud of their courage and the terrific effort they made. And now all of Obama's postponed issues re-emerge: Fiscal cliff, Obamacare tax, other Obamacare hidden provisions, fight with Catholic bishops, Benghazigate, the inevitable discovery that AQ is not after all on the run, war Iran/Israel, energy shortages and fuel poverty in the United States, global food insecurity due to stupid green ethanol, Keystone decision now to be made, fuel efficiency standards that will further damage the car industry, unemployment, the deficit, the insolvency of Soc Sec.
Well, so much for a landslide. Seems the majority wants much larger government, higher taxes on everything, extortionate energy prices, more mediocrity for America on the world stage, and even less Christianity in Washington. This is gonna take a lot of soul-searching...may God bless His remnant.
I've recognized hundreds of your usernames and somewhat know you by your posts, some going back c.2000 and others more recently. I'm shocked that the reality of this event hasn't elicited the fighting spirit I always thought some of ya'll had. Don't move out of the country or consign your fellow conservative Americans to the scrap heap. If we are now the minority, we need to adopt different tactics but we are not compelled to surrender because our candidate loses an election. I'm thinking John Paul Jones time.
Very disappointed! I just can't believe we Pennsylvanians are so ignorant we voted again for Obama who is destroying our state.
I will tell my children to mark this day as the date in history when the "Stupids" outnumbered the rest of us. I so fear what we are looking at, but God is in control. Hunker down and brace self for a woeful four years. The only comfort I take is that now Obama owns it all, all the scandals, the bad economy and everything. Probably should start learning Chinese because they will own us now.
I've got to say, #864 has the right idea. Either we believe we control our destinies or we don't. Romney was not the Messiah any more than Obama was four years ago. They are men. We are men and women and we say we believe in taking care of ourselves, so let's do it. We fought a he** of a fight and our heads are bloody, but unbowed. Our eyes are still on the prize and we will survive. We have to hang together. As Mark Levin has pointed out so many times: the horrible policies and laws and regulations of this administration will affect all, not just the Republicans among us. When the shihite starts rolling downhill and your Dem friends ask how this happened: EDUCATE THEM! Goodnight my friends. We carry on tomorrow, in our house, in our country. I'm not going anywhere, I'm staying right here. I own this country, I pay taxes.
Unbelievable. Did Fox just throw a wrench into everything?
Concur #807 and #881. If this is correct, I'm terribly disappointed in our citizenry. A loss of faith more be to the point.
What we have concocted over the last 40 years in public education just came to fruition. What's the evidence you ask? We never believed anyone with a shady, unknown, and completely unqualified resume could rise to the highest office of the land. And yet, we voted for him in 2008.
And now, if the numbers are correct, here we are again in 2012. Proof that the last 40 years of liberal teachings has unhinged America.
Make sure you thank the first aging hippy you see.
Heaven help us.
A big "thank you" to Lucianne and staff for tonight’s roundtable. Great job.
The stupid vote, the abortion vote, the free stuff vote... negated out all the hard working American votes. Sorry if I just don't feel like pulling up my boot straps once again, looking at my hard working husband and knowing his career is over and his industry is destroyed.
I expect more cuts in the banking industry and after 10 mos with no work and taking a job where he makes 1/3 what he used to, I mean, really what's left for us.
Guess I have bucked up and trudged on so many years now that I am just tired of us supporting millions who go out of this world no bigger, no better, no more than when they came into it. The takers have won.
And Fox is practically giddy over calling it all. They really make me ill.
I am so disappointed that I am just hurting. Why would God want this country to have Obama for a leader again? My prayers and the prayers of thousands were not answered tonigt and I am just sick. Why would God want this to happen? I think the people who voted for Obama will be VERY sorry in a very short time.
I have to admit I almost admire the cleverness of America's enemies. They don't care if Romney wins the popular vote, in fact that helps them get what they want which is a change in the electoral college. Since they can freely commit voter fraud and manipulation right out in the open, next time they will just change the popular vote. They knew which counties to work on and they worked them. Their candidates are open liars and cheats yet they win. We don't have a free or competent media and haven't had one for years, but shame on the RNC for not understanding who the players are and what their audience of low information voters wants. I was thinking we would become the new Argentina, now I'm thinking Cuba and ALL the horrors that follow. This forum probably has an expire date in the next 4 years, so I'll say thanks for the memories of wit and intelligence in a sea of willful ignorance.
Colorado has fallen. It's blue, and unlikely to turn back. I was wrong in that I thought Romney would carry it. But apparently the state has gone beyond tipping point due to influx of california liberals and mobs of mexican "immigrants."
Next four years - same political situation we have had for the past four. Gridlock - Republican House, Democrat Senate, lazy and incompetent Marxist president. But the economy simply won't be able to take the strain: Destructive Obamacare, killer regulations, no budget, trillion-dollar deficits as far as the eye can see, weak (pro-Muslim) foreign policy, Social Security and Medicare on the way to bankruptcy, porous southern border, sycophant dinosaur press. Greece - or Argentina - or Venezuela - is our future. We are past the tipping point - freedom sure was nice while it lasted. I am glad I have had the opportunity to grow up in a mostly free country and thankful that I do not have grandchildren forced to cope as best they can in an unfree one.
Sorry, but no. No more fighting. There is simply nothing left to fight for. We lost my state tonight! The WHOLE THING! To three dolts that couldn't put two words together to form a complete sentence in the debates. Face it: the Republican Party is through. But it can't be killed off from the outside, nor reformed from within. We couln't beat the President with the absolute worst record EVER. There is no other place to go, nothing else to do, no other fight to fight. I spent the summer watching Romney let 0bama frame this election with no response from our side. NONE! Time to join the Democrats and ride in the cart instead of pulling it.
Not what I expected. My family, many friends and I are in the oil business and we will either: 1) Be out of business because our dear reader will prohibit hydraulic fracturing. 2) Be out of business because the won continues to put his economic ineptness on full display, resulting in lower demand for power in a slower world economy. 3) See the oil boom continue because permits on fed controlled minerals are curtailed, reducing supply, while the dollar loses more value, driving up the price of oil and all other commodities.
Who are these people who elected this imbecile and his merry band of thieves?
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