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A Big Storm Requires Big Government
New York Times, by Editors

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Posted By:jackson, 10/30/2012 8:57:07 AM

Most Americans have never heard of the National Response Coordination Center, but they’re lucky it exists on days of lethal winds and flood tides. The center is the war room of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, where officials gather to decide where rescuers should go, where drinking water should be shipped, and how to assist hospitals that have to evacuate. Disaster coordination is one of the most vital functions of “big government,” which is why Mitt Romney wants to eliminate it. At a Republican primary debate last year, Mr. Romney was asked whether emergency management was a

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Never waste a crisis! Oh, and thank you Sandy for another excuse to ignore Libya.

  

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Reply 1 - Posted by: Halfvast Conspirator, 10/30/2012 8:59:50 AM     (No. 8974200)

And get their free sh.tuff.


Reply 2 - Posted by: fhancock, 10/30/2012 9:01:06 AM     (No. 8974203)

Editors of the NYT...wow I'm impressed...such deep thinking


   

 

  


 
Reply 3 - Posted by: texaspast, 10/30/2012 9:05:25 AM     (No. 8974212)

No it doesn't.


Reply 4 - Posted by: VinGoombatz, 10/30/2012 9:05:25 AM     (No. 8974213)

The failure of Big Government Requires The Noo York Times


Reply 5 - Posted by: rinohunter, 10/30/2012 9:06:58 AM     (No. 8974215)

New York Pravda at its finest! Good bye ol' gray lady! It was nice knowing ya!


Reply 6 - Posted by: Sinatra5, 10/30/2012 9:07:50 AM     (No. 8974218)

....And you wonder why they are on a going out of business curve


Reply 7 - Posted by: Safari Man, 10/30/2012 9:08:01 AM     (No. 8974219)

To the people of the blue states hit by this storm: If Obama's big government doesn't have everything back to normal by next Tuesday, vote him out.


   

 

  


 
Reply 8 - Posted by: JoeUser, 10/30/2012 9:12:44 AM     (No. 8974224)

People will still be seeing the aftermath of the storm next Tuesday, and they'll be in a dour mood (especially since Big Government won't have delivered).

The northeast will not care about anything else, as the rest of the media focuses on the spectacle as much as they can (they just live for major storm coverage).

Not good for the incumbent, no matter what the NYT says.


Reply 9 - Posted by: MattMusson, 10/30/2012 9:13:47 AM     (No. 8974225)

States by law are responsible to be first responders and cover the first 48 hours. Only after 48 is the Federal Govt supposed to arrive with additional help.

That is exactly what happened during Katrina. But, the state of Louisianna did a terrible job of responding and the Media unfairly blamed FEMA and George Bush.

If I were President - I would pay WalMart to piggy back emergency supply deliveries on the back of their system. It is the most efficient supply system in the world. So, pay them a billion dollars to build in excess capacity. Believe me, it would be WAY cheaper than leaving things like they are.


Reply 10 - Posted by: Whamdbambam, 10/30/2012 9:21:06 AM     (No. 8974233)

My guess is that Zippy will use the storm to money-bomb swing states in this last week before the election.


Reply 11 - Posted by: Scribelus, 10/30/2012 9:22:03 AM     (No. 8974235)

So the Republic must maintain Leviathan forever so as to respond to a hundred-year storm!?! New York Times-speak.


Reply 12 - Posted by: Patchy Groundfog, 10/30/2012 9:22:52 AM     (No. 8974237)

Bloomberg and his cod-Spanish don't seem to be affecting the water flooding into tunnels...


   

 



 
Reply 13 - Posted by: Not your typical New Yorker, 10/30/2012 9:28:24 AM     (No. 8974244)

Did the New York Times say something?...not sure.


Reply 14 - Posted by: pineledger, 10/30/2012 9:30:29 AM     (No. 8974248)

The NYTimes needs to quit whining. The governors are responsible for deploying the National Guard.


Reply 15 - Posted by: Maybeth, 10/30/2012 9:33:49 AM     (No. 8974261)

So, in conclusion, a Republican president would mean that the damage from Sandy-type storms would go unattended, with states left to their own incompetent devices.
s/o


Reply 16 - Posted by: J F Ackerman, 10/30/2012 9:34:00 AM     (No. 8974262)

Now who is politicizing a crisis?


Reply 17 - Posted by: Blackeagle, 10/30/2012 9:34:36 AM     (No. 8974265)

It might be a lot easier if each state had their own emergency system - with a shared system of backup by the other states. Sort of like the way utility companies work - sending work crews from say Arkansas to help restore power in say Georgia. If things get really hairy the federal government could step in with the military - assuming that is allowed.


   

 

  


 
Reply 18 - Posted by: fritzilou, 10/30/2012 9:34:37 AM     (No. 8974266)

We were in the bulls eye of Hurricane Andrew. Our neighborhood was destroyed; our windows blew in, the house was saturated, roof partially collapsed and trapped in the front of our house by trees. No one came to help and we asked for nothing. We began the cleanup ourselves; first cutting our saturated carpet up with razor blades and bailing with large sponges and buckets, sending alerts out amongst neighbors that we needed windows replaced and eating crackers & tea for days. We were without power for seven weeks. Yes we had insurance, but it took months to get the matter settled. It was an 'experience'. The goverment didn't come to help.....no FEMA. FEMA is for people who can't help themselves. I'm grateful we didn't have to wait for them to help us.


Reply 19 - Posted by: janylou, 10/30/2012 9:35:38 AM     (No. 8974270)

#10, I heard they were tweeting out for money during the storm.


Reply 20 - Posted by: Blackeagle, 10/30/2012 9:36:27 AM     (No. 8974272)

Maybe the editorial should have had at the end ''I'm Barrack Obama and I approve of this message''.


Reply 21 - Posted by: jerseyden, 10/30/2012 9:37:12 AM     (No. 8974274)

I hope Fox and other fair new organizations keep an eye on what the WH will do. My guess is they will be handing out all kind of so called emergency aid to the urban centers. O knows that's his only chance of getting re-elected. Dem wards will have no restrictions for getting aid, Repubs will have to jump thru hoops.


Reply 22 - Posted by: noproblems, 10/30/2012 9:38:02 AM     (No. 8974277)

I think the NYTs is confused about the difference between the Federal government and State and Local governments. They must love to be governed.

New campaign slogan: "Do you like to be governed?"


   

 



 
Reply 23 - Posted by: billp, 10/30/2012 9:38:16 AM     (No. 8974278)

Don't read the comments after the story unless you want more of the story. It made me ill - a veritable orgy of big-government love and cheerleading.


Reply 24 - Posted by: DSchneider, 10/30/2012 9:40:05 AM     (No. 8974281)

Wat a creative piece of writing. Perhaps the NYT is interested in getting a Pulitzer Prize for fiction. I'm not just talking about the facts presented, but liberal use of adjectives like 'nervously'.

Memo to NYT editors: You'll get many more votes for the PP if you write fiction about both sides.


Reply 25 - Posted by: Mike43, 10/30/2012 9:42:09 AM     (No. 8974286)

Living in Texas and Louisiana, I've been through 5 of these.

Never saw a FEMA provider, never got a thing from them. Good insurance, neighbors helping, businesses acting neighborly, many areas just never needed it. We pull together and get the job done.

When all the debris was taking to long to be removed; we pooled our money and flagged down a dump truck to haul it away.

Problem solvers solve problems. Everyone else waits for a handout.


Reply 26 - Posted by: killerbee, 10/30/2012 9:46:39 AM     (No. 8974298)

This is so moronic. But I can just see the idiots reading this tripe and nodding their heads.


Reply 27 - Posted by: vulcanrider, 10/30/2012 9:48:10 AM     (No. 8974304)

FTA: Disaster coordination is one of the most vital functions of “big government,” which is why Mitt Romney wants to eliminate it.

Absolutley another falsehood. Romney doesn't want to eliminate it, he wants it back at the state level where it should be. Even here in Florida we know "the first 72 is on you" and don't even expect the state/county resourses to be available for at least 3 days. In the 3 days after Ivan and Dennis we'd made huge inroads into the clean up, trees were cut and stacked, the older folks were taken care of, and we all cooked and cleaned with each other. No waiting for the government to "help".

And, Sandy was no "superstorm", it was a cat 1 hurricane that hit in an area totally unprepared. If it had made landfall down here, it wouldn't have even been above the fold in the NE mewspapers...


Reply 28 - Posted by: VinGoombatz, 10/30/2012 9:56:57 AM     (No. 8974325)

27 makes a good point. Sandy is not a strong storm. (although wide) But it will cause lots of pissin and moanin by those unprepared. Manhattan, f'rinstance. (Manhattan, that lily pad with subways)


Reply 29 - Posted by: BuffLwyr, 10/30/2012 10:03:22 AM     (No. 8974338)

Reason No. 384 why the NYT supports Big Government--so that, when their revenues drop by another 20%, they'll be in line for the next $Trillion stimulus bailout.


Reply 30 - Posted by: FenwayFrank, 10/30/2012 10:09:11 AM     (No. 8974348)

No. The storm doesn't need big government, you whining, urban pantywaists. The convoys of utility trucks and fleets of tree service trucks heading into the region over the weekend weren't moving because of big government. They were on the move in spite of big government, which was busy trying to make the epic failure known as b hussein obama look like the leader he never was. Get over yourselves, and try doing some manual labor beyond the latte lifts you're so fond of.


Reply 31 - Posted by: rustycfc, 10/30/2012 10:17:38 AM     (No. 8974371)

#7,vote him out regardless!!!!!


Reply 32 - Posted by: zoidberg, 10/30/2012 10:24:39 AM     (No. 8974391)

"Government never furthered any enterprise but by the alacrity with which it got out of its way."
– Henry David Thoreau


Reply 33 - Posted by: archtheduke, 10/30/2012 10:25:00 AM     (No. 8974392)

All night while watching the news of the storm, I never heard anyone state the category of the storm. Now I know why. The MSM is trying to portray the storm as mightier than it was. The bottom line is the area was unprepared as they rarely see something like this.


Reply 34 - Posted by: pomom, 10/30/2012 10:46:31 AM     (No. 8974442)

The Governors are doing a good job in their respective states all up and down the East Coast. The NYSlimes doesn't know any better. Any excuse to slam Romney. Not going to work. Obama might have made a few phone calls yesterday but the Governors did the heavy lifting.


Reply 35 - Posted by: JimBob, 10/30/2012 10:47:20 AM     (No. 8974444)

May I suggest that the NYT 'donate', to the big government that they love, an amount equal to the taxes they WOULD pay if they were any other company but a newspaper? It's the 'patriotic' thing to do! Deficit reduction and all that.... it might even make the Times get that warm glow inside that eveyone else gets when they write that check to the IRS for the Big Government that the NYT so cherishes.


Reply 36 - Posted by: Robert Jones, 10/30/2012 10:55:18 AM     (No. 8974462)

Actually these storms prove you don't need a federal government. I live in New Orleans and know. If Louisiana could
keep it's revenue instead of sending it to Washington we would do quite fine. Walmart does a much better job than FEMA. And don't even get me started on the corps of engineers. We would all be in jail if we committed malpractice like they do.


Reply 37 - Posted by: wakeupcall, 10/30/2012 11:00:24 AM     (No. 8974475)

Constitution: Where does it say federal government is responsible to pay for damages or recovery?

State is to look out for their own if their citizens want state government to cover disasters. That would require more state taxes, yes.


Reply 38 - Posted by: Mr. Hanky, 10/30/2012 11:05:00 AM     (No. 8974481)

Really? Really NYT?

What a bunch of idiots.


Reply 39 - Posted by: Mr. Hanky, 10/30/2012 11:06:07 AM     (No. 8974486)

I doubt that the editors of the NYT could even identify a problem which did not require Big Government.


Reply 40 - Posted by: taytay52, 10/30/2012 11:13:35 AM     (No. 8974500)

Funny! The people on the Mississippi Gulf Coast were already cleaning up well before FEMA got there to help when Katrina hit.

Why? Because they know how to survive without government help maybe???


Reply 41 - Posted by: Cor-vet, 10/30/2012 11:20:09 AM     (No. 8974509)

The biggest disaster is big government, can they fix that?


Reply 42 - Posted by: Janjan, 10/30/2012 11:34:12 AM     (No. 8974545)

I remember well the Federal management of Katrina. Taxpayer funded cash cards being used at the mall and online, refugees being thrown out of several hotels (2 in my area) for vandalism, etc. This should totally be handled by the States with federal money thrown in if needed. The federal government generally makes a mess of everything they touch and Mitt knows it.


Reply 43 - Posted by: thenightowl, 10/30/2012 11:59:57 AM     (No. 8974601)

"A Big Storm Requires Big Government"--No, it doesn't. A big storm requires GOOD governance.


Reply 44 - Posted by: conspicio, 10/30/2012 12:04:42 PM     (No. 8974606)

Bush put out $10+B within 4 days of Katrina and was slammed that it wasn't soon enough. Let's see what the President of Redistribution does as one of his last pre-election acts.

Betcha it's at least $250B. Part of it wired directly to the AFL-CIO to spend as needed.


Reply 45 - Posted by: FunOne, 10/30/2012 12:36:32 PM     (No. 8974671)

Rush remarked that the federal employees in the nation's capitol were advised not to come to work today.

Plug that into the requirement criteria.


Reply 46 - Posted by: Teleologicus, 10/30/2012 12:51:13 PM     (No. 8974720)

The NYT invites readers to believe that Romney and the Republicans are fully prepared for countless victims of national disaster to suffer and perish as human sacrifices to a dogmatic ideology of state's rights. If the states can't handle the disaster, too bad. Those afflicted are out of luck. Maybe we are supposed to think Republicans want it that way because they, Republicans, hate poor people, especially if they are black. Callous...greedy...cruel...prejudiced...selfish: these are your Republicans for you.

The idea that local responsibility and control can be quicker, more efficient, less expensive etc. does not enter into the deliberations of the NYT writers, for whom bigger is always better and Federal is innately superior to anything at the state level.

As in common on the Left, this piece is a Straw Man fallacy. No one is arguing that ALL emergency services should be local or that the Federal government has NO role in disaster management. One wonders if people committing this fallacy really believe what they are saying when they accuse critics of Big Government of advocating NO or almost no government at all. Obama has made this false claim about his opponents many times. He routinely says that those desirous of keeping government in check are against government itself. He ridicules the Straw Man arguments he makes. But either by accident or design, he misses the whole point, which is not about all or none but the proper balance.


Reply 47 - Posted by: mathman, 10/30/2012 12:57:43 PM     (No. 8974735)

Fear not, LDotters.
Big Government will be there. Unions only, of course.
Katrina, now. Where is the accounting for the thousands of empty trailers, still waiting for occupants?
Where is the accounting for the lots full of flooded school buses?
Where is the accounting for the billions sent to LA to provide for the levies, which funds were appropriated to buy gambling barges instead?
What more can the Fed do? They send money, and LA wastes it.
They offer aid, and the Mayor and Governor tell them to get out of their faces.
The Times is so sad.
Eliot spoke of "the loss of a love, or a season."
Big Government is lost. It does not deliver.

As Mr Berra said, "you could look it up."


Reply 48 - Posted by: preciosodrogas, 10/30/2012 1:11:51 PM     (No. 8974777)

This is just the Times leading the way. Expect lots more of this in the days to come. Anything and everything will be used over the next week. They have much to do and so very little time left to do it. Benghazi must be covered up and Gov. Romney must be destroyed.
Meanwhile BHO will be spending your money like a drunken sailor on liberty buying votes with your money.


Reply 49 - Posted by: jimjr, 10/30/2012 2:31:30 PM     (No. 8974959)

Yes, let's talk about FEMA.

FEMA, who stopped all of the east-coast law enforcement and firefighters volunteering to help after Katerina for 3 days in Atlanta for mandatory "cultural sensitivity training".

FEMA, who turned away literally hundreds of Louisiana sportsmen who headed to New Orleans, with boats in tow, to help their down-state neighbors.

FEAM, we can do without. Disaster relief needs to be run by Wal-Mart, Home Depot and your electric utility. They are the only ones who really know what to do and then get it done.


Reply 50 - Posted by: VAfreedomluver, 10/30/2012 3:39:34 PM     (No. 8975089)

The New York Times is less trustworthy than the old Pravda was.

Every word they print should be considered an in-kind contribution to the Democrats--and treated accordingly under federal election law. Wouldn't it be funny to see Pinch Sulzberger do hard time for that?


Reply 51 - Posted by: LanieLou, 10/30/2012 5:37:31 PM     (No. 8975316)

WH talking pts published around 7:30 am... CNN immediately spewed them, out of context. The gist of the tp's is Romney Wants to Eliminate FEMA!!!!!


Reply 52 - Posted by: jacooley, 10/30/2012 8:02:16 PM     (No. 8975546)

The worst natural disaster in US history was the 1900 Galveston storm. It put the island underwater, killed 6,000 on the island, and an estimated 4,000-6,000 more inland.

It wasn't "big government" that rebuild Galveston, constructed the seawall, jacked up all the major buildings (even a cathedral) and pumped sand from the bay to raise them higher, and then survived all the hurricanes that followed. Nope, it was the people of Galveston and Texas.



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´Mickey Mouse Club´ star
Annette Funicello dies at 70

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Los Angeles Times, by Dennis McLellan    Original Article
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Annette Funicello, the dark-haired darling of TV´s “The Mickey Mouse Club” in the 1950s who further cemented her status as a pop-culture icon in the ´60s by teaming with Frankie Avalon in a popular series of “beach” movies, died Monday. She was 70. Funicello, who was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis in 1987 and became a spokeswoman for treatment of the chronic, often-debilitating disease of the central nervous system, died at Mercy Southwest Hospital in Bakersfield, Walt Disney Co. spokesman Howard Green said. Funicello and her husband, Glen Holt, had moved from

Chelsea Clinton doesn´t close
door to public office

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USA Today, by Catalina Camia    Original Article
Posted By: jackson- 4/8/2013 10:23:20 AM     Post Reply
Chelsea Clinton has raised her profile in the last few days, which sparked the inevitable question about the former first daughter´s future: Will she ever be like Mom and Dad and run for office? Clinton, 33, essentially said "maybe" in an interview that aired Monday on NBC´s Today show. "Right now I´m grateful to live in a city, a state and a country where I strongly support my mayor, my governor, my president and my senators and my representative," said Clinton, whose father, Bill, was president from 1993-2001 and her mother, Hillary

Special ops veterans’ group
calls for select probe of
Benghazi attack

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Fox News, by Catherine Herridge    Original Article
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More than 700 Special Operations veterans are urging members of Congress to back a select committee to investigate last year’s Benghazi terrorist attack, according to a letter first obtained by Fox News. The letter from the group, “Special Operations Speaks,” supports the appointment of a special committee tasked with the single mission of investigating the attack that left Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other Americans dead, and shut down the CIA operation in an annex of the Benghazi consulate, in the Sept. 11, 2012 attack. “Congress must show some leadership and provide answers to the public

The Secrets of Princeton
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New York Times, by Ross Douthat    Original Article
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Susan Patton, the Princeton alumna who became famous for her letter urging Ivy League women to use their college years to find a mate, has been denounced as a traitor to feminism, to coeducation, to the university ideal. But really she’s something much more interesting: a traitor to her class. Her betrayal consists of being gauche enough to acknowledge publicly a truth that everyone who’s come up through Ivy League culture knows intuitively —

Obama flying 11 relatives of Sandy Hook
victims to D.C. on Air Force One so
they can back gun control in person

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Associated Press, by Staff    Original Article
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President Barack Obama is bringing 11 relatives of those killed in the shooting at Connecticut´s Sandy Hook Elementary School to Washington on Air Force One on Monday so they can personally encourage senators to back gun legislation that faces tough opposition. A nonprofit organization that works with the families, Sandy Hook Promise, said that after Obama´s speech on gun control in Hartford, he is flying with relatives of seven children and one staffer killed during December´s massacre at the school. The White House says Obama is going to argue that lawmakers have an

Updated: White House, McCain
blast Cruz for threatening
filibuster over guns

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Houston Chronicle, by Joanna Raines    Original Article
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There was growing buzz over the weekend that a bipartisan agreement on gun control — a deal that would expand background checks — could hit the floor as early as this week. However, any deal could be derailed by the looming threat of a Republican filibuster involving Texas Sen. Ted Cruz. With Cruz standing proudly in the way of any gun legislation, Democrats are trying to make him pay a political price — and even a couple of high-profile Republicans are questioning his tactics.

North Korea´s Army Is Full of Jumping,
Leaping, High-Kicking Martial Artists

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Atlantic, by Connor Simpson    Original Article
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Amid all of the very real threats of war and stuff from North Korea, you´d think American intelligence officers want as much video footage of the enemy as possible. Well, here is one video featuring North Korean exercises and Kim Jong-Un holding a gun, and we´ll say this: they certainly get points for presentation. Remember the clap-happy report from Dennis Rodman´s diplomatic basketball vacation? This video comes courtesy of the same Youtube channel that gave us that Rodman video. It appears to be the same state news channel.(Snip for video)This latest dispatch from North Korea´s state television


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