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Has General Ham Been Fired?
American Thinker, by Mike Johnson

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Posted By:Dreadnought, 10/27/2012 6:13:38 PM

Has General Carter F. Ham, commander of U.S. Africa Command, been fired for defying Leon Panetta on Benghazi? Glenn Reynolds, the Instapundit, ran a piece Saturday afternoon titled "Interesting Rumor Concerning General Carter Ham and Stand Down Order." This piece is presented as a rumor. It suggests that General Ham was told to stand down from sending aid to Benghazi, that General Ham on his own decided to proceed, and that he was then relieved of his command. Remember, all rumor at this point. On 18 October 2012, Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta participated


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Coy860, 10/27/2012 6:16:40 PM     (No. 8967909)

The Admiral of the fleet in the ME was relieved of duty..Is the WH looking for scapegoats? If so, I hope these men speak up for the sake of the Country.
They took an Oath to obey the Constitution, NOT the President.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Keekng, 10/27/2012 6:20:42 PM     (No. 8967920)

Panetta is a bureaucratic political sychophant who knows nothing of how the military should operate. It appears he was caught short on knowing how to handle a situation and was upstaged. In the future, Panetta should go sit in a corner and play PacMan.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: StormCnter, 10/27/2012 6:21:45 PM     (No. 8967924)

Regardless of what transpired in that meeting, Leon Panetta should resign immediately. Les Aspin resigned after the Mogadishu disaster.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: Photoonist, 10/27/2012 6:22:54 PM     (No. 8967928)

The rumor of this demands an investigation. Since the Senate must approve the promotion to replace him the Republicans must demand one and have a hearing.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Robinsolana, 10/27/2012 6:27:47 PM     (No. 8967934)

The twisted spin from the Obama administration and the media coverup continue, but we do know that our men did in Benghazi did not receive help even though it was available not far away. These American heroes fought for 7 hours. Plenty of time for help to arrive.
Obama went to sleep and started lying in the morning.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Keekng, 10/27/2012 6:27:52 PM     (No. 8967935)

Where is Donald Rumsfeld when we need him......

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Reply 7 - Posted by: BuckeyeRon, 10/27/2012 6:33:10 PM     (No. 8967951)

We were tasked on under "Must Reads" thusly: "Something is wrong here, really wrong. Let's spend the weekend finding out what." Like to think the writers Glenn Reynolds and Mike Johnson are tracking out site, cuz we've been on the Gen Ham angle all day. I suspect the key player re Zero's Libya policy is NS Advisor Tom Donilon, the former FannieMae VP, co-chair to Wendy Sherman for Hillary's transition, team to State and Bill's hatchet man at State under Warren Christopher. Ghadaffi amassed $260billion in his sovereign wealth fund in just 5 years after sanctions were lifted with 40% of that under management in the US which was frozen during the ouster of Ghadaffi. Follow the money! You don't drop bombs in Libya or deploy AC130s to save Americans fighting for their lives, if you're goal is to install a govt to control unimaginable sums...and if Gens Ward, Ham and others get in your way, you set them up and replace them...

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Smaj, 10/27/2012 6:34:33 PM     (No. 8967954)

If General Ham defied the gutless moral cowards above him, I salute him. If the spineless weasels think General Rodriguez will be a lapdog, they've got another thing coming.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: BuckeyeRon, 10/27/2012 6:42:03 PM     (No. 8967965)

Sorry for the second post, but gotta give a major Hear! Hear! to #8...Gen Rodriguez has major clangers, just like at least two of those above him, Gens Austin and especially Gen Odierno...true warfighters. Ham co-chairing the group that paved the way for the Zero's ending DADT just prior to being awarded command of AFRICOM and then bowing to the "lead from behind" strategy in Libya, made me a little jaundiced...

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Kurto, 10/27/2012 6:42:34 PM     (No. 8967967)

So a General as well as an Admiral, not to mention a US Ambassador, are politically inconvenient. Did they help make the video that 'made them do it?'

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Reply 11 - Posted by: horacer, 10/27/2012 7:21:31 PM     (No. 8968038)

An Ambassador down or in trouble is not a trivial matter. This is a very high priority, one step below from POTUS down. A commander in the region, such as General Ham will respond. It's second nature. If his rapid reaction force was aware they would have been loaded up and chomping at the bit to deploy. The enemy has attacked your soil. Don't blame Panetta this lies at the feet of Obama and Valerie Jarrett.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: pineledger, 10/27/2012 7:59:07 PM     (No. 8968112)

Panetta is a thug. Has always been. Does not deserve to be in the office he holds. He will do whatever the capo says.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: MDMuskrat, 10/27/2012 8:18:55 PM     (No. 8968146)

Of the three people in that meeting, Leon Panetta, Gens. Dempsey and Ham, two have already been defined here.

#2 Clearly defines Panetta, the head eunuch.

#9 Tells us something about Gen. Ham which is unsettling.

It remains for Reuters to give us perspective on the sad spinelessness of Gen. Dempsey, Chairman of the JCS. To wit:

"(Reuters) [Sept 12, 2012}- General Martin Dempsey, the chairman of the U.S. military's Joint Chiefs of Staff, spoke with Pastor Terry Jones by phone on Wednesday and asked him to withdraw his support for a film whose portrayal of the Prophet Mohammad has sparked violent protests - including one that ended with the death of America's envoy to Libya. "In the brief call, Gen. Dempsey expressed his concerns over the nature of the film, the tensions it will inflame and the violence it will cause," Dempsey's spokesman, Colonel Dave Lapan, told Reuters."


Pathetic when the top military man in the Armed Services is directed to make a phone call to a U.S. citizen...IN SUPPORT OF A LIE!

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Reply 14 - Posted by: Keekng, 10/27/2012 8:25:52 PM     (No. 8968157)

This reminds me of the "cleansing" many dictators have originated

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Reply 15 - Posted by: oh-heck, 10/27/2012 8:38:31 PM     (No. 8968189)

Our military forces were told to stand down, the kind of order that our heroes in the service are likely to ignore. Now Defense is denying that order was given. Panetta should have resigned before giving the order. Now he should resign for denying it was given,

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Reply 16 - Posted by: Coy860, 10/27/2012 8:53:25 PM     (No. 8968227)

Bottom line, this administration is NOT about serving America's best interests.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: bullhead, 10/27/2012 9:32:08 PM     (No. 8968304)

Concur with #13!

THE senior US military officer, Gen. Demsey, calls a civilian with a "request."?
This is outrageous, and possibly illegal.

Our media should have boldly publicized this officer's dereliction of duty.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: god of irony, 10/27/2012 9:55:39 PM     (No. 8968346)

Where is the warrior ethos in the top ranks that they demand that us soldiers have?

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Reply 19 - Posted by: Grambo, 10/28/2012 7:28:02 AM     (No. 8968828)

An unholy end to an unholy presidency.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: shurnuff, 10/28/2012 7:45:46 AM     (No. 8968851)

Funny, when I first saw the headline, I thought "General Ham" was a reference to our potus, who loves to ham it up.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: fransand, 10/28/2012 7:49:31 AM     (No. 8968857)

I've always had the conviction that no dictator could ever take over this country because the military would never go along with it. Now I'm not so sure...

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Reply 22 - Posted by: real fifi, 10/28/2012 7:59:19 AM     (No. 8968883)

General Ham was not in the area on Sept 11, 2012.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: owl, 10/28/2012 8:07:18 AM     (No. 8968897)

The US Armed Forces now has two separate commanders - the military and the politically correct . Those in the second bunch look to advance their careers the easy way , and the safe way - simply bow to the whims of the politicians. No PC commander had the cajones' to take responsibility so we got the awful outcome . The ' Blackhhawk Down ' is another prime example and was what gave Bin Laden the reasoning to move forward with his plans. He saw America was willing to back off when PC politicians were involved . A Barbara Boxer is no match for a dedicated terrorist .

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Reply 24 - Posted by: geekrunner, 10/28/2012 8:11:48 AM     (No. 8968908)

I see the hand of God in all this happening, leading up to the election, to get rid of Obama. I also see the MSM doing it's level best to thwart the hand of God by not covering this scandal as it should. We can all imagine that had this all happened under a Republican president (we all know it would not have, but humor me) demands of impeachment and resignation would have been made 24/7 for the past six weeks.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: planetgeo, 10/28/2012 8:24:06 AM     (No. 8968934)

When President Romney takes office in January it is urgent that he replaces the perfumed princes and political apparatchiks that Obama and Panetta have appointed as flag officers in our military. It disgusts me to see what they are doing to our magnificent military.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: gwmcclintok, 10/28/2012 8:27:29 AM     (No. 8968946)

Ham refused to stand down. He acted. It is said he was fired within 30 seconds to one minute later.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: Reality, 10/28/2012 8:56:04 AM     (No. 8968990)

It looks like house cleaning is required at DOD.
The main effort of this administration has been to implement open homosexuality in all the services despite the objection of most fresent and former flag officers. And don't forget putting women on our submarines.
Meawhile war fighting and protection of american assets around the world are neglected.
He has fundementally changed our nation as he promised.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: Bad Dog, 10/28/2012 9:02:49 AM     (No. 8969003)

Hang tough, #18, and remain true to your conscience and your oath. You're not alone. We have your back, as you have ours.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: heneverlies, 10/28/2012 9:05:40 AM     (No. 8969008)

Panetta and Dempsey are two losers who suck up to anyone above them that will bend over and pat their heads saying: "Work with me, you're so smart I need you!"

Clinton knew that as does Obama-Mao.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: Dodge Boy, 10/28/2012 9:12:13 AM     (No. 8969019)

Here here, #18.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: Italiano, 10/28/2012 9:16:29 AM     (No. 8969025)

They take an oath to protect and defend against foreign and domestic enemies. America has never had a more dangerous domestic enemy.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: msctex1, 10/28/2012 9:41:40 AM     (No. 8969080)

In our post-Obama world:

"New Media" = Media/Press

"Old Media" = Democratic Party

Makes everything make far more sense.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: chicodon, 10/28/2012 10:10:05 AM     (No. 8969146)

Must see video. It would go to this article. Starts at about one minute and fifteen seconds in. Part one and two.



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Reply 34 - Posted by: fhancock, 10/28/2012 10:18:57 AM     (No. 8969167)

FYI...General Ham is a Combatant Commander (Africa Command)and works DIRECTLY for the Secretary of Defense who works DIRECTLY for the President...the Chairman of the Joint Staffs is NOT a commander and is not in General Ham's direct Chain of Command...therefore what General Ham did or did not do was approved or disapproved by Panetta and Obama...just saying

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Reply 35 - Posted by: osprey21, 10/28/2012 11:27:35 AM     (No. 8969337)

The American media (most of it anyhow) is a bigger enemy to Americans than AQ could ever hope to be.

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Reply 36 - Posted by: bighambone, 10/28/2012 11:37:18 AM     (No. 8969359)

When four star generals are relieved like this, it is time for the Congress to determine why, and for the media to report the facts to the American people.

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Reply 37 - Posted by: fed-up, 10/28/2012 11:58:58 AM     (No. 8969409)

Now there is a story out of another one fired.
quote from article that is not in must reads. but you can find here at lucianne

"In an unusual move, the Navy has replaced an admiral commanding an aircraft carrier strike group while it is deployed to the Middle East. The replacement was prompted by an Inspector General’s investigation of allegations of inappropriate leadership judgment. Rear Adm. Charles M. Gaouette, the commander of the USS John C. Stennis strike group, is being returned to the United States for temporary reassignment. In a statement the Navy said it had approved a request made by Vice Adm. John W. Miller, the Commander of U.S. Naval Forces Central Command, to temporarily reassign Gaouette “pending the results"

inappropriate leadership.. what is going on here??

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Reply 38 - Posted by: K.I.S.S., 10/28/2012 12:10:01 PM     (No. 8969431)

Remember America...Bill Clinton DECIMATED the military during his 8 years of bimbo-ing. Clinton passed over Academy Grads and other fine officers for the quota crowd of females, minorities and don't-ask-don't-tell until the Republican Congress stopped him!! While there are MANY fine Officers in todays military, there are many Clinton lapdogs in command positions and Obama knows is using them. The Depts of Defense, Pentagon, Justice and State are infested with anti-American Liberals whose job it is to undermine the strength of the Military every chance they get and turn it into yet another politically correct broken mess. Homeland Security Napolitano listed our returning soldiers as "potential terrorists" because just like the 3 BRAVE men who gave their lives trying to save our Ambassador - Obama knows our brave, patriots WILL FIGHT TO THE DEATH to save America!!!

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Reply 39 - Posted by: uno, 10/28/2012 12:13:06 PM     (No. 8969438)

#38 - I have the same question, what's up with the Rear Adm. Charles M. Gaouette situation? Maybe it is something different, but it really smells funny considering the timing.

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Reply 40 - Posted by: starboard, 10/28/2012 12:14:38 PM     (No. 8969440)

Last night I watched "Acts of Valor," a movie about Navy Seals and how they're trained as a team risking their lives to save one American in trouble. The movie was based a real life acts of valor and could not be better timed as the present to illustrate the extraordinary skills and training these men have.
Further, I still would like an investigation into that helicopter accident that killed several of our best Seals months after the Bin Laden killing. The story they (the White House) released about that incident is as flimsy as the Benghazi debacle.

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Reply 41 - Posted by: trapper, 10/28/2012 12:39:10 PM     (No. 8969496)

This thread is worth bookmarking for the information contained in the comments.

There was a rumor a while back that Obama was vacillating on taking out bin Laden and that it was Panetta who took it upon himself and gave the order to go without Obama's authority; that he did what the president refused to do. Perhaps this time he didn't do the president's job for him. Perhaps this time he passed on the president's order to stand down. It's easy to try to hang Panetta, but now I'm not willing to. The president makes these decisions, or is supposed to. I'm not defending Panetta. I just don't know yet what happened.

This isn't over by a long sight.

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Reply 42 - Posted by: Charactercounts, 10/28/2012 12:41:18 PM     (No. 8969503)

John Bolton mentioned the other day that he would like to hear what Gen. Ham has to say about the events of 9/11/12.

#22, On another site, it was mentioned that Gen. Ham/AFRICOM are based in Germany.

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Reply 43 - Posted by: Darnright, 10/28/2012 12:42:09 PM     (No. 8969506)

22 - please elaborate

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Reply 44 - Posted by: lencu255, 10/28/2012 1:01:47 PM     (No. 8969556)

I'll say it again: what would happen in our country if we had commonsensical/conservative mainstream media?
And isn't it the time we demand that Republicans work hard on this issue?
Remember, the leftist in America (like in fascist germany and commie russia)have the influence because they clearly understand the importance of propaganda and community organizing!

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Reply 45 - Posted by: miceal, 10/28/2012 1:15:38 PM     (No. 8969580)

Let's wait and see at what rank these two retire. It takes Congressional approval to retire at the 3 or 4 Star rank....

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Reply 46 - Posted by: ketchuplover, 10/28/2012 1:20:22 PM     (No. 8969590)

Where's General Mchrystal when we need him?

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Reply 47 - Posted by: Oysterhaven, 10/28/2012 1:26:04 PM     (No. 8969601)

Panetta, like most people in this administration is a two bit lawyer. What makes him qualified? Same with Hilliary. Two bit lawyer from Arkansas. Don't get me started on Obama ...

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Reply 48 - Posted by: fed-up, 10/28/2012 1:38:05 PM     (No. 8969621)

This reminds me of what we learned of the events of Clinton when they had Bin Laden in their sights and asked for permission to take him out. They sat and listened as silence met them from the president on the phone. We all know what happened after that.
It could be that Panetta is covering his you know what by saying .. I never told anyone NOT to go..
How convoluted is that? I guess he learned how to double speak well while in the Clinton WH.

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Reply 49 - Posted by: Tasine, 10/28/2012 6:17:42 PM     (No. 8970161)

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Reply 50 - Posted by: Nutmegger, 10/28/2012 7:24:21 PM     (No. 8970272)

Hi folks. Gen Ham was fired within 1 minute after he told Panetta that he was going to send his team to help our people under fire. His 2nd in command was made to take over, and stand down. Maybe after the election, we will get the full story of this disasterious fiasco.

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Reply 51 - Posted by: Haskell, 10/28/2012 9:47:18 PM     (No. 8970456)

Keep in mind Fox's Jennifer Griffin's expose that requests for help in Benghazi were denied.
When pressed for her sources she said they are"as good as it gets."

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The State Department has no idea what happened to $6 billion used to pay its contractors. In a special “management alert” made public Thursday, the State Department’s Inspector General Steve Linick warned “significant financial risk and a lack of internal control at the department has led to billions of unaccounted dollars over the last six years. The alert was just the latest example of the federal government’s continued struggle with oversight over its outside contractors. The lack of oversight “exposes the department to significant financial risk,” the auditor said. “It creates conditions conducive to fraud, as corrupt individuals may attempt

Ex-CIA boss Morell gives unorthodox
reasons for omitting key Benghazi details

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Fox News, by Catherine Herridge    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/3/2014 10:03:11 PM     Post Reply
In his opening statement during highly anticipated testimony Wednesday on Benghazi, former CIA deputy director Michael Morell claimed to be an intelligence professional who was willing to lay out the facts -- no matter how damaging. "I take very seriously the allegations about how the CIA in general and about how I in particular handled the analysis and the talking points," Morell told the House Intelligence Committee, in his first public testimony on the Benghazi attacks. "The ethical code under which intelligence officers carry out their responsibilities calls for total objectivity." But Morell´s own testimony would appear to undercut that

CEO of Firefox maker Mozilla steps down
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USA Today, by Brett Molina    Original Article
Posted By: LittleHoodedMonk- 4/3/2014 4:06:40 PM     Post Reply
Mozilla CEO Brendan Eich will step down following uproar over his apparent opposition to gay marriage. In a statement released Thursday, Mozilla -- which makes the Firefox Web browser -- apologized for not reacting more quickly to the controversy surrounding Eich, who made a 2008 donation supporting California´s plan on gay marriage, The Guardian reports. "We know why people are hurt and angry, and they are right: it´s because we haven´t stayed true to ourselves," said Mozilla executive chairwoman Mitchell Baker in a statement. Last week, Eich attempted to dispel fears on whether he would support equality as the head

Muslims Object to Easter Eggs
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Fox News, by Todd Starnes    Original Article
Posted By: LittleHoodedMonk- 4/4/2014 11:34:07 PM     Post Reply
Muslim moms and dads in Dearborn, Mich. are upset after students received flyers promoting an Easter Egg hunt at a local Presbyterian church. The parents say the egg hunt violates the U.S. Constitution. The Muslims told the Detroit Free-Press that they were concerned about the religious implications of Cherry Hill Presbyterian Church’s “Eggstravaganza!” They were also troubled by images of a bunny rabbit. “It really bothered my two kids,” parent Majed Moughni, told the newspaper. “My son was like, ‘Dad, I really don’t feel comfortable getting these flyers, telling me to go to church. I thought churches are not supposed

Romney 2016: Coulter Says Mitt
Strongest on Immigration

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Breitbart´s Big Journalism, by Jeffrey Poor    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/4/2014 1:02:48 PM     Post Reply
Earlier this week on Boston’s WRKO-AM’s The Howie Carr Show, conservative commentator Ann Coulter shocked some conservatives when she said she is making 2012 Republican nominee Mitt Romney her favorite for the 2016 Republican contest. Last month in an interview on CBS’s Face the Nation, Romney himself ruled out the possibility of a 2016 run and said he was instead focused on who to get behind in that contest. Coulter, however, wishes otherwise. “Well, don´t tell him but I´m planning on giving Mitt Romney a little more time to rest -- flying out, kidnapping him and depriving him of sleep, food and

Beating of white driver by
angry mob after he accidentally
ran over young boy ruled NOT
a hate crime by Detroit police

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Daily Mail [UK], by Ryan Gorman    Original Article
Posted By: Ribicon- 4/4/2014 5:01:05 PM     Post Reply
A 54-year-old white man has been left barely clinging to life after he was brutally beaten by a group of black men when he got out of his car to check on a young black boy he accidentally hit. Steve Utash, from suburban Roseville, was beaten into a coma Wednesday by an angry mob in a poverty-stricken Detroit neighborhood after David Harris, 10, ran in front of his truck on a busy street, but police insist the incident was not racially motivated. The gang also stole his wallet before leaving him for dead. Utash is in extremely critical

Eric Holder defends using Justice
Department airplane for 27 personal trips

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Washington Examiner (DC), by Joel Gehrke    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/4/2014 9:34:34 PM     Post Reply
Attorney General Eric Holder disputed a Government Accountability Office report on his use of Justice Department airplanes for personal trips, saying it overstated the number of trips he took and failed to recognize that some trips were job-related. "My staff keeps telling me to take it easy, you know, well, this is one that gets me," Holder told Rep. Frank Wolf, R-Va., during a House Appropriations subcommittee hearing. "There was this notion that we´ve taken -- I think it was described as hundreds of personal trips. That was wrong. GAO counted flights, not round trips. And we looked at it

David Letterman makes big announcement
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CBS News, by Lauren Moraski    Original Article
Posted By: LittleHoodedMonk- 4/3/2014 5:00:45 PM     Post Reply
It´s the end of an era: David Letterman announced Thursday that he´s retiring from CBS´ "Late Show" sometime next year. He made that announcement during the taping of his program this afternoon. The late-night talk show host, who will celebrate his 67th birthday next week, made his debut on the "Late Show" on Aug. 30, 1993. Letterman got his television start in 1978 on the CBS variety series "Mary," starring Mary Tyler Moore. Months later, he paid his first visit to "The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson" -- marking the first of 22 appearances. He also guest-hosted "Tonight" numerous times.

Networks Refuse Obama Request for
Primetime to Announce Obamacare
Hitting 7 Million Mark

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Mediaite, by Noah Rothman    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/3/2014 7:04:57 PM     Post Reply
According to a report via BuzzFeed’s Evan McMorris-Santoro, President Barack Obama requested the opportunity to address the nation in prime time on the major broadcast networks on Tuesday night to announce that the Affordable Care Act had reached 7 million enrollees. Those networks did not, however, accommodate the White House’s request. “Three sources familiar with the request confirmed the White House asked for the prime time slot in their effort both to emphasize a bright moment following the challenging roll out and, more important, to try to reintroduce the country to a law that remains unpopular,”

Dem Rep.: ‘Members of Congress
Are Underpaid,’ Can’t Afford
to ‘Live Decently’

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Mediaite, by Josh Feldman    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/3/2014 7:15:42 PM     Post Reply
Do you think members of Congress are overpaid or underpaid? Most likely you’d go with the former, but Democratic congressman Jim Moran argues it’s actually the latter. In an interview with CQ Roll Call, Moran says, “I think the American people should know that the members of Congress are underpaid.” The House recently took up a bill to freeze members’ paychecks, placing another halt on the annual cost-of-living pay increases they would normally get and keeping annual salary at $174,000. Moran believes that this is the wrong way to go, not necessarily talking about himself in particular, but saying there

Gov’t Spent $700 Million
Promoting Obamacare

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Washington Free Beacon [DC], by Elizabeth Harrington    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/3/2014 10:38:14 PM     Post Reply
President Barack Obama contended that the government did not “make a hard sell” for Obamacare, despite his administration spending nearly $700 million to promote the law. “We didn’t make a hard sell,” Obama said in the Rose Garden on Tuesday, praising the 7.1 million sign ups for the Affordable Care Act. “We didn’t have billions of dollars of commercials like some critics did.” However, last July the Associated Press reported that Obamacare’s marketing campaign would cost at least $684 million. Taxpayer funding went to all 50 states in efforts to encourage people to enroll, including nearly $28 million for the

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