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Krauthammer: Biden’s ‘disrespectful,’
‘hugely condescending’ demeanor
undid potential debate win

Daily Caller, by Jeff Poor

Original Article

Posted By:Photoonist, 10/12/2012 12:29:16 AM

Washington Post columnist Charles Krauthammer said after Thursday night’s debate that Vice President Joe Biden’s demeanor cost him a potential debate win over Republican Rep. Paul Ryan. “If you read the transcript, I think it’s dead even,” Krauthammer said. ”If you heard it on radio, Biden won. If you watched on television, he lost. In the transcript, if you just look at the raw arguments I think it was even because each side had points to make and made them. I think on balance, not one side was stronger than another.” (Snip) “He did a lot of interrupting as well.

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Biden outright lied (about a lot of things) but especially that 0bama wasn't compelling any religion to act in a way that was conflicting with their beliefs. As Ryan pointed out, why the lawsuits then over constitutional rights? I'm afraid I usually rank arguments such as this on debating points more than appearance and so give Biden no bonus for being forceful or bullying. Thus Ryan would have won on the radio to me too as well as on television. I might have to look at the transcripts because a couple of times when Biden was speaking I wrote down

  

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Reply 101 - Posted by: Speedypetey, 10/12/2012 12:57:07 PM     (No. 8928502)

The facial expressions and laughter reminded me of an Al Franken comedy routine. On the Senate floor.....


Reply 102 - Posted by: Laotzu, 10/12/2012 1:03:11 PM     (No. 8928519)

History repeats itself. See the VP Nixon and Premier Krushchev "Kitchen Debate" of July 1, 1959. The only difference being, Krushchev couldn't interrupt because he had had to work through an interpreter. VP Joe has the same populist, over-the-top demeanaor of Krushchev. As I've said before, the Democrats are clearly going for the stupid vote.


   

 

  


 
Reply 103 - Posted by: lana720, 10/12/2012 1:19:30 PM     (No. 8928561)

Ole Joe had the Alinsky tactic of ridicule down pat to the point of total embarrassment for those who could stand to watch. I doubt he thinks he was the total failure he is.


Reply 104 - Posted by: Flipper3, 10/12/2012 1:37:40 PM     (No. 8928600)

#102: Yes.


Reply 105 - Posted by: Lawsy0, 10/12/2012 1:51:00 PM     (No. 8928636)

One has to ask, why is Joe Biden so angry? 1, Biden hates America first. 2. Biden blames America first. 3. Biden thinks he's God--only cleaner and more articulate. (Tie his hands behind him and he'll be silent.)


Reply 106 - Posted by: ScrIbelus, 10/12/2012 1:53:42 PM     (No. 8928643)

Last night, Mr Biden provided overwhelming evidence that he is a capering ape hiding behind a rictus.


Reply 107 - Posted by: laurahome, 10/12/2012 3:05:14 PM     (No. 8928794)

#26 - my guess as to why Biden was selected by Obama is that Biden can prove where Obama was born and the appointment to veep was a bribe to keep quiet.


   

 

  


 
Reply 108 - Posted by: laurahome, 10/12/2012 3:12:12 PM     (No. 8928807)

#101 you complain about Biden trying to get a word in - you can blame the moderator for that issue. Biden continually cut into Ryan's time to speak - 82 times. Biden was acting in the role of a bully. Biden is the very definition of a politician - in the worst sense. He is an example of why so many people are completely turned off by politics. Among many others, I like what #26 had to say. We don't hear from Sagman very often.


Reply 109 - Posted by: Optimist123, 10/12/2012 3:14:05 PM     (No. 8928811)

Sorry for the 2nd post, but it dawned on me, if the debate were 90 minutes long, and Biden had 45 minutes and Ryan had 45 minutes, then for Biden to interrupt 82 times, he would be interrupting Ryan about every 30 seconds.

If that is the way the Senate works, no wonder they don't get anything done. There is no way one can express an idea more complicated than to propose a place for dinner.


Reply 110 - Posted by: Freeloader, 10/12/2012 3:30:53 PM     (No. 8928841)

Hugely condescending Doctor "K"? Remember this "Oldie But Goldie"?:

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."


Reply 111 - Posted by: Quiet Observer, 10/12/2012 4:20:09 PM     (No. 8928868)

Biden reminded me of an aspiring actor in an actor's workshop with the "director" telling him, "Give me you biggest smile! OK, now look befuddled! Laugh and look condescending at the same time! That's it! Ok, now give me amazement! No, more of an 'I can't believe you just said that' look!, but with a big smile, like you know something they don't! YES, perfect, Joey Baby! You're gonna be a star!"


Reply 112 - Posted by: Heraclitus, 10/12/2012 4:20:25 PM     (No. 8928870)

His hairpiece was too tight; his new choppers were too big and ill-fitting; his boxers were in a bunch.

He was obnoxious, rude, unserious. Imagine him as President. Wow. What a buffoon.


   

 



 
Reply 113 - Posted by: rc1776, 10/12/2012 4:58:28 PM     (No. 8928933)

Anger is the main ingredient in a dimfecal.
They are angry at babies, Churches, families, and most of all about the Constitution Americans cherish.


Reply 114 - Posted by: leopardtwo, 10/12/2012 4:59:29 PM     (No. 8928935)

We heard that Bite-me brought up the accident which killed his wife and child. This happened many decades ago, and he is still using it for political advantage.
Shame.


Reply 115 - Posted by: Fledrmaus, 10/12/2012 5:17:47 PM     (No. 8928967)

42 - "Imagine spending hours preparing for a serious debate and having to do so with a clown, smiling grimacing, interrupting and distracting so you cannot make your points."

The only way of preparing for that would be to practice opposite Robin Williams.


Reply 116 - Posted by: franq, 10/12/2012 5:36:55 PM     (No. 8928999)

I think the Republicans should boycott these debates. Totally rigged. After a few election cycles the MSM would get the message. Losing major dollars, etc.


Reply 117 - Posted by: Lakeside Granny, 10/12/2012 5:39:18 PM     (No. 8929003)

Gritting my teeth, I watched the whole thing. I was so angry at Biden's behavior. My hubby got up after about 15 min. to go play computer solitaire. He was smarter than I was.

I must say, I was very proud of Ryan. He conducted himself admirably. Independents, as well as women, watching saw a stark difference between an old political hack and a rising star.


   

 

  


 
Reply 118 - Posted by: ocjim, 10/12/2012 6:05:54 PM     (No. 8929050)

What was Axelgrease actually DOING in that debate prep??? He wound Bite-me up way too tight. He might have broken him, in fact. I think he used some fear and intimidation on the VP. Good thing for Joey there's no second VP debate... Axelgrease might have water boarded him into the desired performance on that one.


Reply 119 - Posted by: LC Chihuahua, 10/12/2012 7:43:10 PM     (No. 8929195)

I turned on the TV to the debate, but did not actually watch it. I turned on the computer instead, and listened to the 'debate' in the background.

Krauthammer is wrong if he thinks Biden sounded good on the radio. The 'debate' followed a pattern.

Ryan spoke for a few seconds, Biden interrupted, Ryan spoke for another 10 seconds, the moderator interrupts for a tangential question, Ryan tries to speak for that, Biden interrupts again, Ryan spoke some more, and finally the moderator asks a different question.

After a while, I looked up and then saw Biden's facial contortions. Ick.

The debate gave zero content, and wasn't really a debate. Kind of how we do not have a real president. Romney better be prepared to speak in 10 second sound bites since that is all the time he will get before he gets interrupted.

Biden and the moderator were awlful. After a while I was visualizing Biden and the moderator as screeching chimps, and Ryan was debating them.

Ryan did not have a great debate, but given what he had to contend with its no surprise. I'm not sure how he could have prepared for it. Hopefully this helps Romney prepare for the next debate.


Reply 120 - Posted by: irishwolfielady, 10/12/2012 8:19:05 PM     (No. 8929271)

So sad to see a senior citizen off his meds. Joe "lyin'" Biden acted like a grade schooler.


Reply 121 - Posted by: grounded, 10/12/2012 9:55:17 PM     (No. 8929411)

Four dead in Libya including the friggin' Ambassador, and Ol' Joe is yucking it up.

Real unemployment at 15%, and Ol' Joe is yucking it up.

Nearly fifty million Americans on foodstamps, and Ol' Joe is yucking it up.

Real income lower than it was four years ago, and Ol' Joe is yucking it up.

Serious times call for serious people, and Ol' Joe is yucking it up. Paul Ryan should have reached over and bitchslapped the grinning old fool!


Reply 122 - Posted by: bighambone, 10/12/2012 10:18:04 PM     (No. 8929450)

Joe Biden is a liberal Democrat populist demagogue who has been a Washington, DC politician for about forty years. He has had a long time to get his act together. Ronald Reagan recognized Biden for what he was, away back in the 1980's saying that Biden was smooth, but a 100% demagogue. Biden certainly has not changed.


   

 



 
Reply 123 - Posted by: secondtimelucky, 10/12/2012 10:28:59 PM     (No. 8929458)

I noticed something very odd. When the camera got a profile shot of old Joe, he looked exactly like Ed McMahon. No, seriously. Look again. you'll see it...


Reply 124 - Posted by: dman, 10/12/2012 11:31:04 PM     (No. 8929513)

Dr. K had the best take on the impact of this.Trouble getting on with server crash. I had typed this, couldn't post it, and then heard Rush with the same take. This is for the "record":

Last night, Joe Biden came across as a programmed Democrat shill, rather than VPOTUS. We're used to these tactics on those "fair and balanced" debates on FNC and other news outlets. The Dem shill bullies, filibusters, interupts, slips in "untruths" (aka lies), and talks over the conservative "victim" so as not to allow a proper response. The shill is cocky, arrogant, and oh, so self-assured. Civility be damned.

Those of us who have attempted to debate Dem "believers" have personally experienced this tactic. Ryan showed much more self-control under this barrage than most of us would.

In the end under those circumstances, he who keeps his cool - wins.

Ryan kept his cool.

He left several rebuttal points unused, to be sure. One that jumped out at me and that I haven't heard from the pundits was Biden's claim that Iran is still far from a nuclear weapon because they have no bomb housing in place. First, he provided no backup of that. News reports indicate that Iran is simultaneously developing missles and detonators to be ready when the fissile material is. Second, Bibi pointed out in his UN presentation that getting to 90% enrichment is the hard part and was more visible due to the number of centrifuges required. Building the rest of the bomb can be done in a small, undetectable, laboratory in short order once the nuclear material becomes available.

Yes, Paul left this and other points on the table, but he kept his cool.


Reply 125 - Posted by: frodocasey, 10/13/2012 7:42:32 AM     (No. 8929811)

Yes #18 and Krauthammer is correct about TV vs. Radio - a CLOWN is more effective being seen than heard!



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