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Krauthammer: Biden’s ‘disrespectful,’
‘hugely condescending’ demeanor
undid potential debate win

Daily Caller, by Jeff Poor

Original Article

Posted By:Photoonist, 10/12/2012 12:29:16 AM

Washington Post columnist Charles Krauthammer said after Thursday night’s debate that Vice President Joe Biden’s demeanor cost him a potential debate win over Republican Rep. Paul Ryan. “If you read the transcript, I think it’s dead even,” Krauthammer said. ”If you heard it on radio, Biden won. If you watched on television, he lost. In the transcript, if you just look at the raw arguments I think it was even because each side had points to make and made them. I think on balance, not one side was stronger than another.” (Snip) “He did a lot of interrupting as well.

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Biden outright lied (about a lot of things) but especially that 0bama wasn't compelling any religion to act in a way that was conflicting with their beliefs. As Ryan pointed out, why the lawsuits then over constitutional rights? I'm afraid I usually rank arguments such as this on debating points more than appearance and so give Biden no bonus for being forceful or bullying. Thus Ryan would have won on the radio to me too as well as on television. I might have to look at the transcripts because a couple of times when Biden was speaking I wrote down

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Photoonist, 10/12/2012 12:29:52 AM     (No. 8927335)

... question marks or ''What?'' because his reasoning went completely incoherent.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: mitzi, 10/12/2012 12:35:38 AM     (No. 8927347)

And it took six days (and how many coaches) to work with Biden to get him ready for this debate.





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Reply 3 - Posted by: planetgeo, 10/12/2012 12:37:57 AM     (No. 8927354)

I was in a room of about 10 couples watching the debate almost like a "Super Bowl of Politics". The most significant reaction in the room after the debate wasn't any particular topic or zinger by either candidate, but the bizarre, incessant, creepy smile by Biden. The women in the room in particular were very vocal about that. I believe that will be the one memorable take away of this debate.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: PLPointer67, 10/12/2012 12:51:19 AM     (No. 8927377)

I agree with Charles & #3. I watched online, working on other things, and every time I looked up and saw Biden's creepy grin, I thought of the Joker. Should make some great Romney ads... Can't wait.


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Reply 5 - Posted by: G-TOM, 10/12/2012 12:52:34 AM     (No. 8927381)

Very little of what ol plugs had to say was true or accurate. In other words, like he did with Sarah, HE LIED A LOT!

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Reply 6 - Posted by: bighambone, 10/12/2012 1:09:16 AM     (No. 8927409)

Maybe too much bourbon!

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Reply 7 - Posted by: juststop, 10/12/2012 1:20:55 AM     (No. 8927419)

Remember the old lyric....Smiling faces tell lies!!!

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Reply 8 - Posted by: paleoconserv43, 10/12/2012 1:36:05 AM     (No. 8927431)

Anyone else tired of this Krauthammer fellow? Biden was erratic and incomprehensible. So how does he figure that Biden won if you listened on the radio?

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Charactercounts, 10/12/2012 3:20:33 AM     (No. 8927489)

#8, I don't get it either. He interrupted Ryan so much, and gave some weird answers, that I can't imagine he'd do well on radio, either.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: JAN, 10/12/2012 4:52:28 AM     (No. 8927534)

If this was Biden after coaching what was he like before they gave him Prozac.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: JimS, 10/12/2012 6:55:18 AM     (No. 8927607)

The official count is that Biden interrupted Ryan 82 times--82 times!

To me, Ryan won big--especially in demonstrating huge self-control in not telling Plugs to knock it off.
Me? I would have knocked that $100K dental job down his throat to stop that insane grin and shut the punk up.

On issues, I gave up counting utter lies at 43. I didn't even bother to count distortions or wrong perspectives.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: sagman, 10/12/2012 6:55:51 AM     (No. 8927610)

I think a lot of people on the right are wishing that Ryan was more forceful, more aggressive in fending off Biden and calling out Raddatz on her unbalanced treatment of the two men.

Everybody knows Biden is a loudmouth boor. I believe he was deliberately disrespectful and even more boorish than usual in order to get under Ryan’s skin and cause him to lash out, become snarky, and generally lose his cool.

Ryan didn’t bite. However good we might have felt at home if Ryan had put Mr. Obnoxious in his place (or gone after the moderator), the story today would have been, “Ryan loses it in the heat of battle,” or, "Ryan whines about moderator."

No, Ryan bit his tongue and denied that idiot the satisfaction of successfully goading him into intemperate remarks, of becoming like, um, Biden. Kudos to Ryan and his team.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Zalmon, 10/12/2012 6:56:57 AM     (No. 8927614)

Saw this elsewhere, but it nails Biden's 'performance':

If a wise man has an argument with a fool, the fool only rages and laughs, and there is no quiet.

Proverbs 29:9

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Reply 14 - Posted by: RIsailor, 10/12/2012 6:59:44 AM     (No. 8927617)

Bloggers counted 82 Biden interruptions. I wanted Ryan to call Biden on this, but he didn't, not even once. Raddatz was terrible - did not discipline Biden, cut Ryan off several times, not letting him finish his point. Biden lost many undecideds with his antics. Win for Ryan by default.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: Judith, 10/12/2012 7:00:49 AM     (No. 8927620)

I had to stop watching, I was giving myself a headache screaming at the tv.
I feel this is a VERY serious time in our life, my country's life, and this buffoon is up there laughing? I watched the re-runs of the debate with Gov. Palin (which she won in my eyes)and there was a lot more dignity and grown up behavior from the clown. If he pulled the garbage he staged last night with the Governor, women would be outraged.
Well, I'm a woman, my country is VERY important to me, and I was infuriated watching the vice-president stifle a serious discussion, and treat his position and my intellect with zero respect.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: tehtriggerman, 10/12/2012 7:08:44 AM     (No. 8927630)

One should search Youtube where Biden made a total A-- of himself in front of the press corp belittling a reporter for having a higher IQ than he did. Its from the 90's I believe.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: Janjan, 10/12/2012 7:14:52 AM     (No. 8927636)

Biden showed the utter contempt he has for all Republicans, as did Raddatz. This is who liberals are.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: chance_232, 10/12/2012 7:16:15 AM     (No. 8927640)

Say what you will about Krauthammer, but he nails the public sentiment every time.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: Red Jeep, 10/12/2012 7:22:38 AM     (No. 8927654)

See why we need term limits to weed out fools like Biden that one state imposes on the rest of us?

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Reply 20 - Posted by: Starlady, 10/12/2012 7:23:58 AM     (No. 8927659)

At the end of the debate I thought to myself how hard it had been to watch the debate. I could not wait for it to be over because of Joe's obnoxious behavior, and the worst moderator I can remember. I thought some of her questions were ridiculous considering the many serious concerns we have in this country and globally as well.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: slickbgone, 10/12/2012 7:27:34 AM     (No. 8927663)

Listening to the radio this morning the concensus is biteme was so annoying most people couldn't stand to watch.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: DadOf4, 10/12/2012 7:30:25 AM     (No. 8927667)

Personally, I think Biden's inappropriate behavior was intentional .... the meme from the Romney/nObama debate was that nObama was "off" because he couldn't believe the extent of lies told by Romney. Biden's performance was meant to instill in folks minds just how brazen these Republicans are.

I don't think it worked a lick!!

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Reply 23 - Posted by: Kayworthy, 10/12/2012 7:30:52 AM     (No. 8927668)

Well, Joe nailed down the clown vote. Ringling Brothers are pleased.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: kayjaymac, 10/12/2012 7:30:53 AM     (No. 8927669)

It was painful to watch. Then it took me hours to get to sleep because I was so wound up. A colonoscopy would have been more enjoyable, at least you can sleep through it.

What a bloviating, bullying, blowhard Biden is.

Paul was a gentleman, and when allowed, got his points across very well.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: cgood, 10/12/2012 7:36:54 AM     (No. 8927681)

Once again the Obama campaign reflects the administration's incompetence. Biden's in-your-face smirking snark will be about as successful as the Big Bird debacle.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: FlatCityGirl, 10/12/2012 7:39:33 AM     (No. 8927687)

I have believed for years that Plugs is a closet drunk. Last night confirmed it for me.

I've always been puzzled as to why he was picked for VP. Something has always been hinkey about that. It was either political payoff or extortion of some sort.

I've always been puzzled as to why people like Brit Hume and Chris Wallace talk about Biden's "niceness." There's nothing nice about him. He puts me in mind of a reptile. I despise him --have for years, and I don't see how anyone can spend more than three minutes with him [as Wallace and Hume obviously have] and not come away running for a hot shower and bar of lye soap.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: velox, 10/12/2012 7:42:45 AM     (No. 8927693)

I hate Biden, but I thought to the uninformed he would sound better than Ryan as he talked more forceful and thats what the underclass gets.
Joe always finds a way to screw up!
This time he went so overboard with his grins, loud sighs, insults,interruptions and such he completely under minded his arguments.
He found a way to lose.
Nobody will remember the words spoken, they will remember how much like a clown he looked and thats what they will be talking about for the next week!
Thats all we should be repeating over and over on every blog.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: eoddad, 10/12/2012 7:45:00 AM     (No. 8927696)

Looks like Biden failed to stop the bleeding from the "O" Campaign in fact you could say he removed the tourniquet before the patient could get to surgery.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: Malia2012, 10/12/2012 7:53:30 AM     (No. 8927710)

What #8 and #13 said. If people were listening on the radio, perhaps they would not see the snickering and insane gyrations of biden, but they WOULD hear him interrupt Paul Ryan more than 82 times! IMO, there is NO way biden won anything but the moron-of-the-week-award. With apologies to morons who aren't joe biden.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: Bad Dog, 10/12/2012 7:53:53 AM     (No. 8927711)

This VP debate last night was one thing:

It was typical of how Democrats act and govern.

They lie, yell, smirk, ''isolate and ridicule'', and generally behave totally inappropriately for their setting and the occasion.

In other words, like preschoolers.

Paul Ryan showed he was mature beyond his age, patient like a father of small children should be, and on the intellectual level that will clean the Democrat dookie off the national walls.

I like Team R&R even MORE (and I didn't think that was possible!), and Team O-B even less (again, didn't think that was possible).

It is deeply disturbing to me, though, how many Ohioans in Frank Luntz's focus group last night on Hannity were impressed by Biden's behavior. Is everyone in Ohio in a labor union of some kind? Sheesh....

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Reply 31 - Posted by: cake crumb, 10/12/2012 7:55:27 AM     (No. 8927714)

I don't think it was a draw, Biden had the Obama talking points, he he said nothing different, and he WAS obnoxious. Krauthammer's lifting his Obama cheerleader skirt again. He's taken up CNNs line: "debate was a draw, no biggy, Joe had valid points, next time he'll be on his meds".

Only way the debate could be a draw is is you agree with both men's arguments equally, and the arguments this cycle are too diametrically opposed to believe equally. You either agree with one side or the other.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: ironchefw, 10/12/2012 7:58:43 AM     (No. 8927718)

Did Biden come across as someone that you would want within a 100 yards of "the button"?

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Reply 33 - Posted by: dogbreath, 10/12/2012 8:02:23 AM     (No. 8927725)

Ingratiating and obnoxious all at once. What Democrat wouldn't Joe Biden?

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Reply 34 - Posted by: starboard, 10/12/2012 8:02:46 AM     (No. 8927727)

After the disrespect Biden showed to Ryan, The Romney/Ryan ticket can put the state of Wisconsin in their winning column.

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Reply 35 - Posted by: slickbgone, 10/12/2012 8:03:34 AM     (No. 8927730)

Ryan showed the country that he's intelligent, serious, & capable of leading the country should anything happen to Romney. biteme was an embarrassment, a circus clown, unserious, & a complete turn-off. Literally.

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Reply 36 - Posted by: Me?Opinionated?Nah!, 10/12/2012 8:06:01 AM     (No. 8927733)

Before I comment on the juvenile delinquent sidekick of our self-described “polite” President Obama, a few words about my long-standing crusade to rid the world of totally unnecessary Presidential and Vice-Presidential debate “moderators.” Exhibit “A”: Martha Raddatz. The woman constantly insinuated herself into the proceedings, somewhat akin to that unwelcome, obnoxious, pushy relative almost everyone has who monopolizes the conversation and who must be endured at every Thanksgiving dinner. In short, political debates at such a lofty level do not require intrusive moderators; only an equal-time-keeper to insure fairness.

Now, about Joe Biden. By way of his childish, smirking, blatantly inappropriate behavior, he dispelled any doubt whatsoever that he might be a certifiable horse’s rear.


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Reply 37 - Posted by: wordstress, 10/12/2012 8:12:04 AM     (No. 8927742)

Thank you #13. Perfect.

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Reply 38 - Posted by: lala, 10/12/2012 8:15:00 AM     (No. 8927748)

I don't get my liberal friends. How can they support the candidate whose constituents yell "gotta gets me a Obama phone" and whose running mate vacillated between creepy carnival barker and creepy undertaker in one 90-minute "debate"? I would be embarrassed to be associated with such rude, uncivilised, thuggish, low lifes. These are your people, Dems. Is that really the image you want to portray? Shameful. Oh my, how our Patriot ancestors must be weeping.

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Reply 39 - Posted by: Maybeth, 10/12/2012 8:19:52 AM     (No. 8927759)

As I watched the debate, THIS is the Joe Biden I saw ...
.... The furious man who, after making a misstatement during a public congressional hearing, viciously turned on the aide behind him and snarled words similar to, 'it's about time you began to earn the money I pay you!'
.... One who presented the same condensending attitude as Lloyd Bentsen when the latter pompously looked his nose down at Dan Quayle.
.... The Cheshsire Cat.
.... Pinocchio.

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Reply 40 - Posted by: liveoak4, 10/12/2012 8:24:05 AM     (No. 8927766)

Which Catholic defended the faith?

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Reply 41 - Posted by: jackburton, 10/12/2012 8:24:22 AM     (No. 8927767)

How about the word 'literally'? Didn't get used much? Maybe each grimace was evidence of the self control it took to keep from uttering that word.

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Reply 42 - Posted by: Holeymoses, 10/12/2012 8:25:31 AM     (No. 8927770)

The most uncomfortable debate I have ever watched. Imagine spending hours preparing for a serious debate and having to do so with a clown, smiling grimacing, interrupting and distracting so you cannot make your points.
FOr me the highlight was when Ryan thanked Biden, and old JOe looked down a little chagrined or hopefully ashamed.

Bet you lost a few Independent voters on this. The face and teeth of the Democrat party.

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Reply 43 - Posted by: Felixcat, 10/12/2012 8:28:05 AM     (No. 8927776)

Where do I begin? How about Biden calling Raddatz," you're a foreign policy expert?" She's a "reporter" - barely at that and a lousy "moderator"

Or Raddatz asking Ryan questions as if Romney and Ryan have been in the White House the past 3+ years?

And Bibi Netanyahu - he woke up this morning thinking, wow, Obama and Biden like me they really like me...

I wish Ryan had countered Raddtaz's lie that Marines burned Korans with a lot of Marines and other servicemembers have died to help Muslims.

Or Biden's lie that all these foreclosed homes have been saved by Obama or how he saved the "auto industry." Obama didn't save any industry - he saved a company and its union members.

I don't know how Ryan didn't reach across and slap either Raddatz or Biden in the face - he resisted the urge but I so wanted a Ryan version of Reagan's " I paid for this microphone..."




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Reply 44 - Posted by: NorthernDog, 10/12/2012 8:30:10 AM     (No. 8927781)

Biden 'making faces' while Ryan was being polite is what most people will remember who don't follow politics closely. Advantage R/R.

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Reply 45 - Posted by: fed-up, 10/12/2012 8:30:14 AM     (No. 8927782)

I just commented to a friend this morning what the above poster said. The face of the Democrat party anymore is shameful. Just look at the antics of Stephanie Cutter and Debbie Blabbermouth Schultz. Add that to the total disregard for any truth about serious issues and they are lost. Biden came out trying to be strong to make up for his weak running mate, but only came across as overbearing. Just like the rest of the party.

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Reply 46 - Posted by: mabelkitty, 10/12/2012 8:30:20 AM     (No. 8927784)

Biden gave 110% to what he thought was an ideal debate plan, and yet he couldn't put Ryan away and only painted Obama into a corner further on Libya.

If I'm on the Obama campaign, my resume is already on the streets and I'm networking.

If I'm Nancy Pelosi, I'm having retirement discussions with my family.

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Reply 47 - Posted by: jorgecito, 10/12/2012 8:31:28 AM     (No. 8927788)

Yes, I believe Biden is a huge turn-off to most women. Even my Leftist mother-in-law had Joe Biden pegged.

Back when Biden was running for president (a few election cycles ago), he grinned and grimaced his way through a Dem debate. My mother-in-law was openly disgusted.

Her reaction to Biden was to snark about his fondness for flashing his Chiclet-style capped teeth.

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Reply 48 - Posted by: kdog, 10/12/2012 8:39:14 AM     (No. 8927808)

My impression was that Biden was making many of those faces to the moderator, like the two of them were sharing an inside joke of something. She acted more like Biden's handler most of the time. She had a habit of interrupting Ryan just as he was making a point and letting Biden have a rebuttal before Ryan even got to his point. I am not sure how Ryan could have handled this any better than he did. I just can't believe she was the best the country could do for a moderator.

Regarding the actual debate, Biden really came off as a lunatic to me. He was laughing during some pretty serious issues. My observation is that these two clowns look really small and "bush league" next to Romney and Ryan.

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Reply 49 - Posted by: scipiotexicanus, 10/12/2012 8:48:57 AM     (No. 8927826)

Thought Biden looked angry, his index finger and pen pointing and jabbing towards the clueless Radditz which probably turned off women. Used to think Biden was kind of amusing like a crazy uncle but after his in chains comment I despise him as much as I do Pelosi and Reid, etc.

BTW why does Lucianne disappear during the debates? Happened with both.

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Reply 50 - Posted by: LZK, 10/12/2012 8:49:45 AM     (No. 8927828)

"beware -- me thinkst thou doth protest to much"....

That's what a took away after the loooooooong debate.

Joe was angry because he had to defend a miserable record he and obama have left behind.

The grown/up showed up and it was the younger man...

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Reply 51 - Posted by: peterfleming, 10/12/2012 8:50:52 AM     (No. 8927830)

Biden typifies every gas bag senator that was ever impersonated in comedy, from old time radio to SNL. His facial contortions, interruptions, angry pointing of fingers, ludicrous smiles, are all bad opera from another time when you had to play grotesquely loud and over obvious to the last guy in the back of the house. Circus
clowns exaggerate like Senator Blowhard.
Charles grades dead even on their content, Biden slightly ahead if you listened only on radio, but Biden was the interrrupting big time loser watching his antics on TV.
Krauthamer's observations and conclusions are totally satidfying in sensibility, and his closing line that it didn't change the vote, because most people do not vote for VP, they vote for the guy running for president. Well done Charles. And, Paul was a bit confusing, speed talk is tough to follow, but he gave a sensational closing, looking straight at the viewer with an open and sensible style.

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Reply 52 - Posted by: sorosisbehindit, 10/12/2012 8:53:15 AM     (No. 8927834)

I became so irritated watching Biden grinning like a jackass eating briars that I switched over to watch Project Runway. As I reflect back, it was probably considered the lesser of two evils by his debate coach. When Biden gets mad he really makes a fool of himself. So they trained him to be dismissive and haughty instead.

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Reply 53 - Posted by: squid, 10/12/2012 8:54:39 AM     (No. 8927840)

Ryan was OK. He was debating two opponents: Biden AND the moderator. I hope that she suffers some negative consequences.

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Reply 54 - Posted by: dbdiva, 10/12/2012 8:58:19 AM     (No. 8927847)

Agree with all above. I have to ask though ~ was he prepped by Juan Williams? He had the exact same mannerisms as Juan has when he is on a panel and a conservative panel member is trying to make a point. The eyerolls, shrugs, snickers etc.

I could only watch about an hour of the debate; it made me so uncomfortable.

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Reply 55 - Posted by: Eheu Fugaces, 10/12/2012 8:58:31 AM     (No. 8927849)

Krauthammer is correct. Though I probably shouldn't comment on the debate, since I had to turn off the TV set after about half an hour -- due to blood pressure problems. Biden is an irritant on the level with anhydrous ammmonia. The demented chimpanzee grin, the nonstop filibustering, the interruptions intended to keep Ryan from making his points, the flat out lying about medicare, Obamacare -- and the Middle East -- it was intolerable.

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Reply 56 - Posted by: Mr. Hanky, 10/12/2012 8:59:52 AM     (No. 8927851)

Biden looked like Alfred E Neumann out there with his "What, me worry?" grin.

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Reply 57 - Posted by: persnickety, 10/12/2012 9:01:53 AM     (No. 8927855)

Come on people! Don't you get it? The over-riding narrative after the Romney/Obama debate was that everything Romney said was a lie. Biden's singular mission was to make like everything that came out of Ryan's mouth was a lie. The interruptions, the smirks, the comments, all for that purpose. Everything is a lie. Simple as that...

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Reply 58 - Posted by: GreatPlains, 10/12/2012 9:05:53 AM     (No. 8927867)

The worst national debate in US history.
Raddatz was horrendous -she interrupted Ryan almost as often as Biden did.
She could not control Biden and that did not seem to bother her.
Ryan was cool, calm and reassuring.
Biden looked like he has a variant of Tourette Syndrome.
At times he looked like Jack Nicholson in The
Shining- Heeeeere's Joey!!!!
What a disaster.
Ryan's presidential demeanor will obviously increase the Mittmentum.

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Reply 59 - Posted by: Halfvast Conspirator, 10/12/2012 9:06:47 AM     (No. 8927868)

Did anyone notice afterwards that Paul Ryan's mother got ol Joe in an armlock and was giving him an earful, straight and direct, and he was standing there taking it and looking very uncomfortable? She had a nice smile and was clearly slipping a knife into him. He was trying to look polite but it was clear she was dressing him down.

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Reply 60 - Posted by: QueenBee, 10/12/2012 9:07:57 AM     (No. 8927872)

Anyone else find it disrespectful that Biden kept referring to PM Netanyahu as "BeBe"? That really grated me the wrong way.

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Reply 61 - Posted by: mickturn, 10/12/2012 9:14:31 AM     (No. 8927890)

Biden is Obie's hitman, pure and simple. He lied so many times, made up facts and on top of all that he was so disrespectful he totally lost the debate on his pathetic demeanor. I kept waiting for the moment when Ryan would severly backhand him and knock him totally out of his chair! It was amazing to me that Ryan resisted the instinct!

The witch from ABC also cut off Ryan many times as did Biden's constant interruptions.
I think the ABC/Biden agreement was to keep Ryan off his game, interrupt him so much he could never finish a point and their game was to disrupt Ryan to the point he looked incompetent.

A defininate LOSS for Biden, someone needs to slap his face so hard he will be permanently looking backwards, as all Dims do anyway.

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Reply 62 - Posted by: Grateful, 10/12/2012 9:14:43 AM     (No. 8927891)

Smarmy Joe couldn't control his facial expressions 'cause the plugs were too tight!


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Reply 63 - Posted by: mickturn, 10/12/2012 9:16:27 AM     (No. 8927898)

Suggestion to the Romney/Ryan campaign...show the mysery of lots of Americans due to Obama's policies/actions and have a picture of both Obama and Biden in the upper corners...with their condescending SMILE!

Caption; They are laughing AT YOU!

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Reply 64 - Posted by: stryker714, 10/12/2012 9:18:49 AM     (No. 8927907)

Right on the Koran aspect, #43. You'd think with how whipped up the muslims are lately, allegedly from some moving pictures, the media would tread light. Unfortunately, no, they just have to ask questions about burning Korans. She should ask Biden about that as it happened on his watch, not Ryan's.

Biden must have really been schooled in the seriousness of this and his expected outcome-he cranked it up to hysteria. In Star Trek terms, Biden took the Dem Enterprise to warp 13, although the engines are only ranked warp 10. So never mind if he damaged the machine.

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Reply 65 - Posted by: strike3, 10/12/2012 9:23:27 AM     (No. 8927912)

Ryan was supposed to debate Joe Biden. Instead, they brought Walter up on the stage from Jeff Dunham's toybox.

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Reply 66 - Posted by: fed-up, 10/12/2012 9:24:53 AM     (No. 8927915)

best description I've heard so far..."Biden looked like the donkey on 'Shrek".

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Reply 67 - Posted by: ivehadit, 10/12/2012 9:25:23 AM     (No. 8927919)

Biden was off-putting and unattractive. Not the highest and best of humanity.

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Reply 68 - Posted by: starbaby, 10/12/2012 9:26:18 AM     (No. 8927924)

New RNC ad: http://youtu.be/PCtemaHgjyA

Very good. Ends with "Vice President Biden is laughing...Are You?"

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Reply 69 - Posted by: The Patriot Code, 10/12/2012 9:28:26 AM     (No. 8927930)

Great comments from L dotters.

Paul Ryan is a gracious gentleman and a fine person. When he mentioned that Mitt had given 30% of his income to charity last year, and then said to Biden "that's more than you and me combined", I nearly did a spit-take with a mouth full of iced tea. Like most libs, Joe Biden gives virtually nothing to charity or to Church. Ryan's assertion would make people think that Joe Biden actually opens his own wallet to help others, which, of course, he rarely ever does.

With the debate over, Ryan should vow to never again act deferential or overly kind to liberals in any manner, way, shape or form. They don't recognize or reciprocate class, but rather they see it as a weakness and with the medias help will always use any friendliness bestowed on them to hurt the person who offered it. Dubya was kind and generous with his words and they chewed on him every day for 8 years. First, I pray that Romney & Ryan will win, and secondly, I hope that they won't reach across the proverbial aisle because that's why conservatism never advances.

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Reply 70 - Posted by: beat the press, 10/12/2012 9:28:52 AM     (No. 8927934)

New RNC ad should be to the following tune:

"Smiling faces sometimes pretend to be your friend
Smiling faces show no traces of the evil that lurks within
Smiling faces, smiling faces sometimes
They don't tell the truth uh
Smiling faces, smiling faces
Tell lies and I got proof"

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Reply 71 - Posted by: spengler, 10/12/2012 9:46:16 AM     (No. 8927986)

Joe really is quite a rodent.

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Reply 72 - Posted by: little guy, 10/12/2012 9:46:45 AM     (No. 8927989)

If Cheney had been that disrespectful to the female moderator he would have been brought up on charges of sexual harassment. Biden pointed his finger at her, talked over her and basically dominated her by using his position as VP to intimidate her. The only thing he didn't do was call her "little girl" or "sweetheart".

And that phony "my friend" junk to Ryan came across as what it was .... patronizing. Had Ryan reacted, the press would say he wasn't presidential material. He was easily rattled, if he can't handle Biden he can't handle Putin, blah, blah, blah. I rate the whole thing as: Ryan - 82 points, Biden - 73. Then I would fine Biden 5 points for rudeness.


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Reply 73 - Posted by: Optimist123, 10/12/2012 9:56:05 AM     (No. 8928004)

1) To the burning Korans, Ryan should have reminded us that the prisoners had desecrated the Korans by righting in them and using them to pass information between each other. Then, say that burning is the approved method of destroying desecrated Korans. Why isn't this said more? (Because it doesn't make us look bad.

2) A number of times Biden grinned was in response to Ryan saying details would have to be worked out in a bi-partisian way. I took the grin to be saying you compromise isn't possible. But lets remember the Health Care Debate, where no Republican suggestions were taken, and Obama stated "I WON" (at least I think that was a time he stated that).

3) Biden demonstrated just how well debate works with the Democrats, we wouldn't let Ryan finish his thoughts. He would not listen to anything that he did not agree with.

4) While Ryan offered suggestions to help save Social Security and Medicare, Biden offered NOTHING.

All in all, not good for the Biden team.


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Reply 74 - Posted by: Poliskeptic, 10/12/2012 9:57:37 AM     (No. 8928008)

Joe was better during the last 1/3 of the debate, but I suspect that millions of people were turned off by his behavior and switched channels 30 minutes into the show. I too was screaming "shut up...this is serious business." Military and out-of-work families had to have been feeling the same way. It's no laughing matter.

I agree that by Ryan keeping his cool, Biden's lack of decorum is the topic of today rather than Biden successfully getting under Ryan's skin.

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Reply 75 - Posted by: Arby, 10/12/2012 9:57:50 AM     (No. 8928009)

At several points in the 'debate' Plugs went all Porky Pig, struggling to attain some form of coherence. A montage of those moments would say a lot about what a sputtering doofus he is.

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Reply 76 - Posted by: Hazymac, 10/12/2012 10:22:53 AM     (No. 8928090)

Dr. Krauthammer, for whom I have the utmost respect, has disappointed me by repeatedly attributing brilliance to Obama, right up until after the disastrous debate performance, and in a similar vein thinks that the fatuous, fluently lying Biden won last night's debate by essentially shouting down the gentlemanly Ryan, who would not have been out of bounds if he had clouted the sighing, grinning, guffawing idiot clean off his chair.

Not only did Biden interrupt Ryan an unbelievable 82 times--the moderator repeatedly cut off Ryan just as he was making important points, allowing Biden to counter but not Ryan to counter Biden. Unbelievable. I can see how SEIU types might admire Biden's performance--they're all insufferable asses--but people who are truly in the center must have been horrified to see and hear Biden.

I know a few things about formal debating, and about how these contests are scored. In NFL--that's National Forensic League--competition a competitor playing the Biden game would be escorted offstage and disqualified for gross violation of the rules, to say nothing of the minute by minute indecency he displayed. What a doofus.

As Bob Dylan wrote ("Positively Fourth Street"): "I wish that for just one time you could stand inside my shoes, and just for that one moment I could be you. Yes, I wish that for just one time you could stand inside my shoes. You'd know what a drag it is to see you."

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Reply 77 - Posted by: redink, 10/12/2012 10:26:22 AM     (No. 8928104)

Al Gore did the same thing...ran in the opposite direction after each debate and made a bigger fool of himself each time. I'm sure Biden was under orders to come across as powerful. But lies are not very powerful next to the truth, and Biden came across as maniacal instead.

Watched with my kids and their first reaction to Biden's radioactive smile was to jerk back away from the t.v. This went on for so long we all got headaches.

At the point where Biden started pointing his bony finger and yelling at the moderator, I thought liberal women must really love misogynists. How could she sit there and take such abuse otherwise?
It was like a balm on my ears to hear Ryan's calm voice and see the earnest honesty and kindness coming out of him.

I agree there were times when I wished Ryan had given a dressing down, but with the way those two idiots were behaving, I think he chose the right path. I don't hear anyone ranting this morning about Ryan's behavior.

After the illusion of Biden's "victory" wears away, only his cheshire grin will be left along with all his lies. It may be a good strategy to let the libs get over-confident until Nov. 6. I don't think they know what's coming...and I'd feel better keeping it that way.

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Reply 78 - Posted by: geronimo, 10/12/2012 10:34:51 AM     (No. 8928124)

#51 writes: "Biden typifies every gas bag senator that was ever impersonated in comedy, from old time radio to SNL. (snip) like Senator Blowhard."

Groan! This is such a deadly accurate description of Biden!

No wonder Obama wanted to keep him as VP. He is a perfect lightning rod to divert attention from Obama's failings. Anyone considering a vote for Obama should remember this 'debate' vividly. One heartbeat from the presidency, behind a president whose health is being questioned.

"....Paul was a bit confusing, speed talk is tough to follow...."

Perhaps he felt that talking fast was his only hope of getting anything said.

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Reply 79 - Posted by: joeyinempirestate, 10/12/2012 10:41:02 AM     (No. 8928138)

Couldn't stand the constant reference to "Bibi," as if Biden and the Prime Minister are bosom buddies and 0's Israeli freezeout means nothing.

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Reply 80 - Posted by: Butch59, 10/12/2012 10:47:52 AM     (No. 8928151)

I must confess that I kept changing the channel during the "debate". I simply couldn't stand to listen to Biden. But I did get the gist of things.

And I'd like to remind all that interrupting, talking over, shouting down, and other forms of disruption are what liberals do. And that's in any forum you can think up. It's there way to "get in the last word" which, in their world, is their way of saying "I won". Yes, it's disgraceful, but have you ever heard a liberal that wasn't?

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Reply 81 - Posted by: lazyman, 10/12/2012 10:50:50 AM     (No. 8928157)

The man is a heartbeat from POTUS and lacks any manners or civility. I was raised not to interrupt others which of course sometimes you have to but 82 times?

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Reply 82 - Posted by: RancherJack, 10/12/2012 10:51:28 AM     (No. 8928158)

Biden knows exactly what he's doing

He was playing to you

He was playing to his bleachers

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Reply 83 - Posted by: Flipper3, 10/12/2012 10:54:26 AM     (No. 8928164)

By the standards ordinarily employed to judge a debate (not those employed. last night, by MSM pundits), Ryan won the debate hands down. No question. He was clear, he was organized, he was factual, he was articulate, and, above all, he was persuasive. Moreover, he managed to be all of those things, despite constant interruptions by a juvenile gasbag.

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Reply 84 - Posted by: preciosodrogas, 10/12/2012 11:01:43 AM     (No. 8928181)

According to CNN the swing voters went with Ryan ... we won. We went into the debate ahead, the polls had swung to Romney. Neither Ryan or Biden picked up any base from the other ... but we got more of the independents. We won. Biden lost, the polls will not shift over this unless it is more toward Romney.
Plus, having fired this shot Obama will have to be more restrained in the next debates which will get into his head as a distraction by trying to be more forceful but not Biden-like. Our game. Now watch out for all the cheating by them in the votes.

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Reply 85 - Posted by: Coy860, 10/12/2012 11:15:00 AM     (No. 8928214)

Ryan could have scored big while ansering the first question about our dead Ambassador by stopping and asking" Is this a laughing matter to you, Joe? The familes of the dead, and all American People do not see anything funny about this serious matter." THWAP.
The questions were very serious, and Biden thought they were a joke.

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Reply 86 - Posted by: jrldev, 10/12/2012 11:19:07 AM     (No. 8928221)

Am I missing something here? It was evident to me that the debate involved three people.The Republican candidate in one side and the Moderator and Democrat mouthpieces on the other side. Even in the sport of boxing where the aim is to defeat the oponent within the rules of the "game" each boxer is permited to use two hands. At this debate there were two mouthpieces vs one and one the the two mouthpieces was the referee.
Wake Up America or forever live to regret it!

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Reply 87 - Posted by: steph_gray, 10/12/2012 11:19:32 AM     (No. 8928222)

Was thinking the same thing, #77 - didn't the ManBearPig's debating "style" go down in history as a resounding loss because of an excess of intrusive and irritating fake sighing while his opponent was speaking?

Biden was far worse. Ignore whatever the lamstream and far left says today. Decisive loss by Biden. It will also go down in history as what _not_ to do in a debate.

And if they do delude themselves that Biden somehow "won" by being "forceful," well, indeed, that will only give them false confidence going into their inevitable defeat at the polls, not to mention in the next two debates.

Hang on everyone we're almost there!

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Reply 88 - Posted by: jeffkinnh, 10/12/2012 11:20:30 AM     (No. 8928224)

I don't get it Dr. K. How does Biden win on his arguments by repeating a lie like the $5 trillion in tax cuts? BO repeated it multiple times in his debate and he sounded like a broken record against Romney's explanations. Maybe Ryan should have been a bit more forceful in countering the lies but he doesn't have Romney's experience in dealing with disruptive actors like Biden.

Biden reformed the dem arguments? By repeating lies and distortions? By denying truth? Knowledgeable people know that Biden is lying. Uninformed people will decide on personality and Biden was annoying at best. A disrespectful, blustering buffoon most likely. Moderates don't like that kind of behavior. They want us all to "get along" and Biden clearly doesn't know how.

Biden certainly encouraged his base who wanted him to attack. Are you one of those Dr. K? The rest of us see Biden as a blow hard loser.

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Reply 89 - Posted by: steveracer, 10/12/2012 11:28:12 AM     (No. 8928247)

Many times last night I wanted Ryan to tell Biden to 'Shove It'. It didn't happen but it should have.

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Reply 90 - Posted by: O.S. Banker, 10/12/2012 11:34:52 AM     (No. 8928258)

Biden and Raddatz were like two old drunks at a bar. As the evenin wore on the crowd realized that you can't trust anything that either of them say.

Ryan handled it just fine. Romney chose well. Now we just have to hope that the voting public is paying attention.

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Reply 91 - Posted by: Epirb, 10/12/2012 11:34:57 AM     (No. 8928259)

How many thousands of times has Biden stood before his bathroom mirror and practiced that toothy smile? He'll be remembered for his sickening, frightening smile like Gore is remembered for his sighs and Dean is remembered for his screams.

But where does Krauthammer come off calling the debate a win for Biden? I've been concerned about Charles for some time because this isn't an isolated incident. His reasoning increasingly leaves me shaking my head in wonder.

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Reply 92 - Posted by: Four_Leaf resident, 10/12/2012 11:38:15 AM     (No. 8928268)

FLASHBACK VIDEO: Biden Spars with Voter, 'I Think I Probably Have a Much Higher IQ Than You Do'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWM6EuKxz5A

Biden is lying through his teeth in this clip.

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Reply 93 - Posted by: tehtriggerman, 10/12/2012 11:39:07 AM     (No. 8928274)

‘disrespectful’‘hugely condescending’ demeanor.

No wonder the Libs say he won. He speaks their language.

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Reply 94 - Posted by: Italiano, 10/12/2012 11:46:38 AM     (No. 8928294)

Biden "won" only in the sense that he came off better than Obama, and fed red meat to the lunatic base. Ryan did what he had to do. I'm sure that he thought of and was prepared to deliver a few cutting one-liners, but decided that keeping his cool was the better course. He was right.

That's why he won.

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Reply 95 - Posted by: qmcgs, 10/12/2012 11:55:32 AM     (No. 8928325)

Regarding the comment that Biden ''won'' on the radio: the folks that listened to Ryan-Biden last night will be listening to Rush/Hannity this afternoon.

As for transcripts: who reads them and are there enough undecideds to swing an election?

Ryan winning the TV debate is huge.

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Reply 96 - Posted by: crossmyheart, 10/12/2012 11:59:42 AM     (No. 8928335)

This is the Vice President of the United Stated of America? I'm surprised he didn't fart out loud.


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Reply 97 - Posted by: paulfromTexas, 10/12/2012 12:12:00 PM     (No. 8928374)

Recent articles about the Washington "press" has boiled their allowances for Joe Biden down to:
He throws the best parties.
He is free with the booze at these parties.
Joe's a lush.
How many different colors can one man turn in 90 minutes?
He was rude and condescending and would encounter troubles at a setting in a bar, talking and gawking the way he does.
It appeared he was fighting Tourette's Syndrome, unsuccessfully.

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Reply 98 - Posted by: berlin, 10/12/2012 12:21:02 PM     (No. 8928408)

Ryan’s composure and patience, the fact that he shut up when he was rudely interrupted made him out to be the only adult at the table. The other two yahoos are undeserving of comment.

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Reply 99 - Posted by: zbogwan2, 10/12/2012 12:35:32 PM     (No. 8928439)

After several minutes of the debate I thought that VP Biden's visage looked like Jack Nicholson's Joker Face in the Batman flick. I also thought that Axelrod had input in how old smiley Biden was to act in the debate.
I agree with the rest of our LDotters:Biden looked and acted like the Court Jester Village Idiot to the hundredth degree.

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Reply 100 - Posted by: garyhope, 10/12/2012 12:48:33 PM     (No. 8928478)

Is it just possible that Biden along with Pelosi, Reid and Obama are just outright insane or sociopaths?


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I live in Las Vegas. I live and breath Nevada politics. Something is very wrong. Something smells rotten in the Nevada desert. And Senator Harry Reid’s fingerprints are all over it. I am of course referring to the Bundy Ranch siege. This was a dispute between a Nevada ranching family with rights to the land in question for 140 years and the BLM (Bureayu of Land Management). The government claims they haven’t paid grazing fees for 20 years. The result was a government assault on the ranch- including snipers with assault rifles, SUV’s, helicopters, airplanes and over 200 heavily armed troops. No

The Folly Of The Bundy Ranch Rebellion
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The Federalist, by Grace Olmstead    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 4/18/2014 4:21:46 AM     Post Reply
It’s the stuff of Westerns: a showdown on the desert plains, the big bad government against an underdog farmer. Though the story has only grabbed national headlines in the past several days, rancher Cliven Bundy has illegally grazed cattle on the Nevada land surrounding his farm for over 20 years. He hasn’t paid grazing fees since 1993, and refuses to renew the necessary grazing permit.(Snip)Rather than using the avenues and pathways presented to him, Bundy has staunchly declared his own law and allegiances. Unfortunately, reality doesn’t work this way. If only it did—we could rebel for paying stupid taxes, refuse to

Students Demand Acknowledgement of
Robert E. Lee´s ´Racist and Dishonorable Conduct´

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Breitbart´s Big Government, by AWR Hawkins    Original Article
Posted By: Desert Fox- 4/18/2014 12:35:28 PM     Post Reply
A group of seven multiracial Washington and Lee University (W&L) students are demanding the school remove all Confederate flags from campus and "acknowledge" General Robert E. Lee´s "dishonorable side." According to the Roanoke Times, "seven multiracial students, calling themselves ´The Committee,´" have also demanded the school "acknowledge and apologize for participating in chattel slavery." They want recognition of "Martin Luther King Jr. Day on the undergraduate campus" and an end to "neo-Confederates" marching across campus "to the Lee Chapel on Lee-Jackson Day." The students say they will "engage in civil disobedience" if their demands are not met by September 1st. They added: "The

Elizabeth Warren whines about coverage
of her fraudulent Indian claim

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Daily Caller, by Patrick Howley    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/16/2014 9:54:52 PM     Post Reply
Democratic Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren wrote in her forthcoming book that she was “hurt” and “angry” by 2012 reporting on her fraudulent claim to Native American heritage. “What really threw me, though, were the constant attacks from the other side,” Warren wrote in her book “A Fighting Chance.” “I would almost persuade myself that I was starting to get the hang of full-throttle campaigning and then — bam! Out of left field, the state Republican Party, or the Brown campaign, or some blogger, would launch a rocket at me,” Warren wrote, adding, ”I was stunned by the attacks.” This reporter (blogger?) reported extensively

Former US president joins
opposition to Keystone XL

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Houston Chronicle, by Jennifer A. Dlouhy    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/16/2014 10:32:12 PM     Post Reply
WASHINGTON — Former President Jimmy Carter joined fellow Nobel laureates Wednesday in opposing Keystone XL, insisting that approving the pipeline would trigger “more climate upheaval” around the globe. In an open letter to President Barack Obama and Secretary of State John Kerry, Carter and the nine other Nobel Peace Prize winners bluntly warned the leaders: “Your decision on the Keystone XL tar sands pipeline will define your climate legacy.” The missive, published as an advertisement in Politico, represents the first time Carter has taken a position on the $5.4 billion project and makes him the first former president to come

Fox News Poll: Many voters say Obama lies
to the country on important matters

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Fox News, by Dana Blanton    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/16/2014 7:39:27 PM     Post Reply
About six in ten American voters think Barack Obama lies to the country on important matters some or most of the time, according to a Fox News poll released Wednesday. Thirty-seven percent think Obama lies “most of the time,” while another 24 percent say he lies “some of the time.” Twenty percent of voters say “only now and then” and 15 percent “never.” Click here for the poll results. President Obama has been accused by political opponents and media fact-checkers alike of telling falsehoods. Frequently cited: His repeated claim that under Obamacare “If you like your plan, you can keep

Pelosi assists in Holy Week
foot-washing ritual

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San Francisco Chronicle, by Staff    Original Article
Posted By: Harlowe- 4/18/2014 11:46:54 AM     Post Reply
To "honor the dignity and work of immigrants," Democratic House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi helps Bishop Marc Andrus wash the feet of two children Thursday at Saint John the Evangelist Episcopal Church in San Francisco. Pelosi also used the occasion to talk about passing HR15 - bipartisan immigration legislation that her office says would "reduce the deficit by nearly $1 trillion, secure our borders, unite our families, protect our workers and provide an earned pathway to citizenship." The Democratic leader´s ceremony coincides with Pope Francis´ similar ceremony in Rome to mark Holy Week.

Illinois Dems to offer $100 million in
taxpayer money to lure Obama library site

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Investor´s Business Daily, by Andrew Malcolm    Original Article
Posted By: SurferLad- 4/18/2014 9:15:50 AM     Post Reply
First, the good news: We are close enough to the end of the Obama presidency for his crowd to talk about a presidential library. Now, the bad news: Obama´s retirement is still 1,008 days distant. Plenty of time though to round up the dough to build it somewhere. Figure they need Solyndra-style money, at least $500 million. The last two presidents – Bill Clinton and George W. Bush -- built their legacy edifices totally with private money. [Snip] However, Obama supporters have a different take. They think taxpayers should put up $100 million in public money for Obama´s library.

Every Media Outlet: Hillary
Grandkid the Most Consequential
Baby Since Jesus

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Mediaite, by Tina Nguyen    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/18/2014 10:34:40 AM     Post Reply
Less than 16 hours after Chelsea Clinton announced she was pregnant, a lot of major news outlets started staring into the crystal ball of Chelsea’s womb, wondering what this currently floating zygotic multicellular being meant for the prospects of Hillary Clinton’s 2016 campaign, which is also a floating, zygotic, multicellular being. Their answer: The immaculately conceived Clinton child could mean everything. And no, it’s not just the fact that having a grandchild could be personally fulfilling to Hillary and Bill (mazel tov, by the way), or that a cute baby would be a sweet cherry on top of Hillary’s already


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