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Armstrong Was at Center of
Doping Program, Agency Says

New York Times, by Juliet Macur

Original Article

Posted By:Emerson, 10/10/2012 1:19:14 PM

The United States Anti-Doping Agency said Wednesday that Lance Armstrong was at the center of the most sophisticated and professional doping program in recent sports history and that it would soon release details of its findings. (Snip) The file, as described by the agency, would be the most extensive, groundbreaking layout of Armstrong’s alleged doping, bolstered by unprecedented interviews, financial statements and laboratory results.

  

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Reply 1 - Posted by: ralpho, 10/10/2012 1:21:59 PM     (No. 8923292)

What a way to treat the first man on the moon; after he's dead and can't defend himself. ;-)


Reply 2 - Posted by: Bill the Cat, 10/10/2012 1:22:47 PM     (No. 8923296)

Will they explain how he passed 500+ tests with flying colors?


   

 

  


 
Reply 3 - Posted by: lostinmassachusetts, 10/10/2012 1:24:12 PM     (No. 8923300)

IMO, this is much ado about nothing. What exactly do they have against Lance Armstrong that they want to get him so badly? I think there are politics behind this brouhaha.


Reply 4 - Posted by: Yosemite Sam, 10/10/2012 1:24:13 PM     (No. 8923301)

United States Anti-Doping Agency is a joke with the credibility of the NYT. NONE!


Reply 5 - Posted by: Ruhn, 10/10/2012 1:30:07 PM     (No. 8923319)

What is the credibility and authority of this so-called "US Anti-Doping Agency"? What is the motivation behind and their hit job on Lance Armstrong?

Hint: follow the money.


Reply 6 - Posted by: BaseballFan, 10/10/2012 1:32:14 PM     (No. 8923326)

OK, #5 - please show we mere humans this money trail.
I don't follow the ins and outs of bicycle racing.


Reply 7 - Posted by: SgtMike, 10/10/2012 1:33:12 PM     (No. 8923329)

Why are we wasting time and money on this claptrap. Could it possibly be because Lance and "W" are friends?


   

 

  


 
Reply 8 - Posted by: Hermit_Crab, 10/10/2012 1:35:58 PM     (No. 8923338)

The whole |)@#^ world ids falling apart and they are making a Federal Case out of this idiocy.


Reply 9 - Posted by: bldrrepub, 10/10/2012 1:38:19 PM     (No. 8923346)

Actually, Lance and O's friends are friends. The DOJ fraud case was unilaterally shut down by Andre Birotte, a Holder wannabe. Armstrong's current PR firm is Mark Fabiani and Chris Lehane; Clinton's Masters of Disaster. Armstrong has played golf several times with Bubba.




Reply 10 - Posted by: jalo1951, 10/10/2012 1:38:54 PM     (No. 8923349)

Sad if true. Character assassination if not.


Reply 11 - Posted by: Patchy Groundfog, 10/10/2012 1:45:44 PM     (No. 8923362)

The US Postal Service showed its usual marketing acumen in sponsoring the team that included Armstrong.


Reply 12 - Posted by: Italiano, 10/10/2012 1:47:36 PM     (No. 8923367)

That does it. I'm never betting on cycling again.


   

 



 
Reply 13 - Posted by: unagator, 10/10/2012 1:51:50 PM     (No. 8923373)

When was the last time you saw "sophisticated", "professionalized" and "successful" in the same sentence as US Postal Service?

I call that a WIN!


Reply 14 - Posted by: Ruhn, 10/10/2012 2:16:07 PM     (No. 8923423)

OK, #6, my point is that never assume the motivations of a pseudo-official organization are as pure as the wind-driven snow. There are at least two sides to every story. And yes, there's big money to be had and at stake. I don't pretend to know the ins and outs of professional cycling. So perhaps someone with enough time and investigative acumen can explain to also to me, a fellow 'mere human', the money trail and the connections behind this accusation and (just perhaps) the full story.


Reply 15 - Posted by: joew9, 10/10/2012 2:17:25 PM     (No. 8923426)

I find that often when the accusers and conspiracy theorists can't find any good evidence they claim that it was all because the crime was so sophisticated and professional and devious. So this claim that the whole thing was "extremely sophisticated and professional" immediately sets off my alarm that it's probably all bull. And I was starting to think LA was guilty.


Reply 16 - Posted by: lana720, 10/10/2012 2:17:36 PM     (No. 8923427)

I don't care which political side he is on, Lance Armstrong's feats are legendary - I personally think it's a "French jealousy thing" that spilled over onto the US b/c they saw some money could be made by prosecuting him.
Let it alone!


Reply 17 - Posted by: killerbee, 10/10/2012 2:30:43 PM     (No. 8923454)

When they can show me that his opponents in the race were squeaky clean, then I will care. He passed all his tests and, as far as I've seen, all they have is anecdotal evidence -- people pressured into testifying against him -- to make their "case". They had no intention of ending the investigation until they bankrupted Armstrong.


   

 

  


 
Reply 18 - Posted by: bldrrepub, 10/10/2012 2:35:56 PM     (No. 8923465)

Once again, the French were not driving this investigation.

You want a money trail? Follow the money that Armstrong paid to the governing body UCI. The UCI magically made Armstrong's positives go away in the late 90s early 2000s.

Try the Livestrong Foundation who no longer provides money for research - only for "awareness". Try the money that Livestrong gave to Planned Parenthood (one of Barbara Boxer's favorite money recipients) and not too long after that, the DOJ case went away.


Reply 19 - Posted by: bldrrepub, 10/10/2012 2:39:06 PM     (No. 8923476)

Sorry for the double post but USADA's evidence includes: financial payments, emails, *scientific data* and *laboratory test results* (emphais mine), as well as direct testimony from over 26 people, only 15 of whom were riders.

The "never tested positive" meme is bunk.


Reply 20 - Posted by: conspicio, 10/10/2012 2:41:53 PM     (No. 8923482)

To all the Lance defenders out there, consider this:

For Lance to be innocent, Levi Leipheimer lied.
For Lance to be Innocent, George Hincapie lied.
For Lance to be innocent, David Zabrieski lied.
For Lance to be innocent, Christian Van de Velde lied.

And 20+ other people lied.

Lance is no saint. And that bit about passing 500+ test is true...only if you understand that he gamed them and in some cases, made payments to the governing body doing the testing.

Saint Lance has a well crafted well honed public image. All built on lies. Livestrong is a good organization, but even liars and cheats have great ideas.

This isn't some magic conspiracy. Talented, respected, wonderful people all independently told the truth. And the truth is...

Lance is a liar and a cheat.


Reply 21 - Posted by: Clark Kent, 10/10/2012 2:56:58 PM     (No. 8923528)

guess Lance will need to added to the overrated white peoples list ..../s


Reply 22 - Posted by: geekrunner, 10/10/2012 4:32:48 PM     (No. 8923772)

I'm no expert on cycling, only a mountain biker not a roadie. IMO since USADA could not catch him doping, regardless of whether he really did dope or not, they are making all their evidence public to turn public sentiment against him. I'm sure USADA will delight in all the stories written about him by the cyclo-journalists as they dissect all the information they dumped.


   

 



 
Reply 23 - Posted by: nonsense, 10/10/2012 6:21:40 PM     (No. 8924014)

Still not going to believe it until they present the "real" proof. Just like everything else the government agencies do, they put out the lie, do damage, then never release the proof. Oh, and the apology comes weeks later on some obscure page of the newspaper.

Fracking is a perfect example of the damage they do with lies, spin, falsehood, un-scientific studies, etc. then weeks later tell the truth.


Reply 24 - Posted by: gasmeterguy, 10/10/2012 8:28:55 PM     (No. 8924261)

I do not know if Lance took drugs or not nor do I care. But IMHO I beleive there is something else here that will never come to light. Somebody is pushing their agenda.



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