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Beyond Obamacare
The New York Times, by Steven Rattner

Original Article

Posted By:lonestarm3, 10/2/2012 6:49:36 AM

WE need death panels.Well, maybe not death panels, exactly, but unless we start allocating health care resources more prudently — rationing, by its proper name — the exploding cost of Medicare will swamp the federal budget. But in the pantheon of toxic issues — the famous “third rails” of American politics — none stands taller than overtly acknowledging that elderly Americans are not entitled to every conceivable medical procedure or pharmaceutical.

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I found a post on a blog (WND) entitled "Obama advisor admits: 'We need death panels" I was so surprised that Obama (in this case one of his 'czars') would actually tell the truth this close to the election! This is the best indication that the polls are being faked. If Obama really thinks he is going to win, why is he openly going for the neo-nazi vote?

  

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Reply 1 - Posted by: lonestarm3, 10/2/2012 6:53:38 AM     (No. 8903621)

I should have made clear: The WND article is today (Oct 2) and the source of info is the NYT article (Sept 16) Surprising that we haven't seen anything about this on conservative sites???


Reply 2 - Posted by: beca, 10/2/2012 6:55:52 AM     (No. 8903625)

rattner......is there a bigger RAT


   

 

  


 
Reply 3 - Posted by: Mr. Hanky, 10/2/2012 6:59:48 AM     (No. 8903632)

Sooo...lemme get this straight...Sarah Palin 'Death Panels" comment is not the Lie of the Year?


Reply 4 - Posted by: Rob_NC, 10/2/2012 7:04:12 AM     (No. 8903641)

..panel,,spanels...heck with that just use death squads...stump your toe Barrys troopers come in and wack you...heck Barry can even say it creates jobs...just think about all the jobs to come get you and plant you......that Barry he`s so looking out for us.....sheeesh..


Reply 5 - Posted by: Spidey, 10/2/2012 7:08:34 AM     (No. 8903646)

I've seen a couple stories today attacking the ageing population. The left does all these things to push people to live longer,stop smoking,eat healthier and exercise but then when people do live longer they want to tackle medicare.At the same time Ryan has a plan to deal with it,that the left rejects out of hand.

It's actually younger baby machines that are breaking the bank,not the senior population.You'll have plenty of FiCA taxes rolling in if Romney can create 5-6 million jobs or so,prolonging the program's solvency. The Obama plan is to severely cut back on senior healthcare.


Reply 6 - Posted by: javaboy, 10/2/2012 7:12:46 AM     (No. 8903651)

When people pay for their own health care, then there is no need for mandated regulated rationing.

When people pay for their own health care, there is no need for rationing period. it takes care of itself.


Reply 7 - Posted by: Not your typical New Yorker, 10/2/2012 7:15:17 AM     (No. 8903652)

Hey Rattner, will you be first in line for the death panel to see?....'course not.


   

 

  


 
Reply 8 - Posted by: Attercliffe, 10/2/2012 7:20:50 AM     (No. 8903657)

And the UN has a statement/study out about the ageing population timebomb. I'll post it.


Reply 9 - Posted by: chance_232, 10/2/2012 7:30:45 AM     (No. 8903670)

Rattner has a gold plated healthcare plan. And being a rich one percenter, he will happily pay out of pocket what his plan doesnt cover while complaining about the 1%.

You see ...... liberals can be on any side of a position, do anything they want or commit any crime. So long as they:
Are liberals
Vote Democrat
pay lip service to liberal idealology
feel a little guilty about having money


Reply 10 - Posted by: Lawsy0, 10/2/2012 7:52:48 AM     (No. 8903704)

Obama is doing his part to ease the problem; he plans to kill everyone born before or during WWII using the ruse of Obamacare. And like the incremental desegrgation used in the south years ago, he plans to murder each succeeding decade thereafter until all that is left is the 30 somethings. Housing won't be a problem since they all moved back to their parents' homes--now empty of those awful seniors.


Reply 11 - Posted by: TrueBlueWfan, 10/2/2012 8:11:12 AM     (No. 8903745)

FTA: reducing the cost of treating people in the last year of life, which consumes more than a quarter of the program’s budget.

Just one problem: most of the time you don't KNOW it is the last year of life! Unless they choose to make it so.

Get government out of health care, return it to the private sector - or at least institute some competition.


Reply 12 - Posted by: enuf8, 10/2/2012 8:29:10 AM     (No. 8903780)

Looks like Gov. Sarah Palin was the only person early on who read the obamacare law. She had read Dr. Emanuel's (Rahm's bro's book as well which recommended this course of action) and took their thousands of pages condensing it to two words. "Death Panels"! But, remember the comments that this portion was stricken from the law-----did the Dems lie?


   

 



 
Reply 13 - Posted by: mc squared, 10/2/2012 8:38:35 AM     (No. 8903801)

How much of a fine did Rattner have to pay for investment fraud? Did he even pay it?


Reply 14 - Posted by: pilot360, 10/2/2012 8:48:59 AM     (No. 8903818)

Every senior who votes for Obama is signing his or her own death panel warrant.


Reply 15 - Posted by: southernboy, 10/2/2012 8:58:56 AM     (No. 8903844)

FTA: "...But in the pantheon of toxic issues — the famous “third rails” of American politics — none stands taller than overtly acknowledging that elderly Americans are not entitled to every conceivable medical procedure or pharmaceutical…."

The hard truth is that no one is "entitled" to every conceivable medical procedure or pharmaceutical…

The hard truth is that if payment from the pocketbook was required, a lot of 'sickness' would magically disappear. And, but for the 'entitlements,' costs would most likely be competitive.



Reply 16 - Posted by: EnsignO'Toole, 10/2/2012 9:11:33 AM     (No. 8903872)

I guess Rattner(I believe he is Jewish) forgot the rules God gave to Moses(another Jewish man). There are ten of them and they are called the Ten Commandments.

It's kind of ironic that the Fifth Commandment is "Honor thy father and thy mother". The Sixth Commandment is "Thou shall not kill."

Oh silly me, I thought Jews revered those 10 pesky rules. I'll take a wild guess that Rattner expects medical doctors to forget their rules, too - "first do no harm".

In my book killing someone who is a little inconvenient, is a really big no,no. Stevie, my boy, you might want to think back to shortly before your birth in 1952. Six million plus Jews were deemed "inconvenient" by a certain group of people. Wonder if you forgot that fact?


Reply 17 - Posted by: Jethro bo, 10/2/2012 9:13:46 AM     (No. 8903881)

Sorry we have had goobernment rationing for decades. First, no insurance, no healthcare. Medicare has limited the healthcare those with insurance care get. This is by design. There are only so many hours in a day. And doctors can only work so many of those hours. By forcing doctors to 'accept' Medicare, the most time and intellectually challenging patients (Medicare) dominate those precious hours. That leaves less time for the rest of us. Try getting an appointment with a doctor that accepts Medicare then try getting an appointment with one that doesn't accept Medicare. Also, Medicare is a price control devise. The result is shortages of doctors (who the heads wants to go into a profession overworked, underpaid and under constant threat of livelihood ending lawsuits). Its classic goobernment price control economics (Limit price, increase demand and create shortages). With the shortage only to get worse (40% of doctors in this country are baby boomers and will soon retire) rationing will increase. Death Panels are but one way goobernment can ration care with provider shortages that goobernment itself created. The only thing we have to fear is our goobernment itself!


   

 

  


 
Reply 18 - Posted by: oh-heck, 10/2/2012 10:21:40 AM     (No. 8904003)

The same libs that are talking rationing, death panels and assisted suicide are the ones who set up the high risk pool to cover the uninsured with preexisting conditions. Guess what - only the really sick with very low incomes have signed up. And 27% of the money is going to a little over 2% of the people in the pool. And the cost is more than twice projection or the average of the state high risk pools. To keep the program alive til 2014, they will need either more money or rationing.


Reply 19 - Posted by: jimmiet, 10/2/2012 10:22:42 AM     (No. 8904005)

Without a belief in the Creator death panels create no moral dilemma. We are all merely units for a time and then we are not. Same for abortions, soon to be kill children if they are inconvenient. Without God... too wretched to consider.


Reply 20 - Posted by: IdahoJoe, 10/2/2012 10:53:00 AM     (No. 8904073)

Now that Social Security is not a cash cow, the thing Dems will do is demonize seniors and kill them. Call them leaches, tell them it's their duty to die, deny them healthcare and perform end-of-life abortion on them. Marxists will do anything to suck up other people's money.



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