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Was climate change responsible
for the Mongol hordes?

Washington Post, by Stephen Stromberg

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Posted By:Pluperfect, 9/30/2012 5:18:12 AM

Was climate change responsible for the Mongol hordes? First scientists told us that a “distinct drying” during the third century might have encouraged the fall of the Roman Empire, prompting critics to decry the idea as the “latest global warming scare tactic.” Now the journal Science is highlighting similar speculations that wet and warm conditions in the central Asian steppe in the 13th century help explain the exceptionally rapid expansion of the imfamously cruel Mongols under Genghis Khan. Mongol horsemen relied on domesticated animals; Amy Hessl, one of the scientists involved in the research, explained to LiveScience in July

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: philsner, 9/30/2012 7:17:06 AM     (No. 8899797)

Modern day moron hordes are responsible for the climate change scam.
The gullible hide under their beds and vote for Obama.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: kanphil, 9/30/2012 7:21:39 AM     (No. 8899803)

#1, perfect! How can I improve on that?

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Screwgun, 9/30/2012 7:42:56 AM     (No. 8899828)

I didn't know they had SUVs 800 years ago.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: franq, 9/30/2012 7:45:11 AM     (No. 8899830)

It was their horses and all the uncontrolled methane.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: veritas, 9/30/2012 8:56:59 AM     (No. 8899954)

Class, Mr. Veritas will now explain "climate science." Among other useful benefits, you will see the flaw in Stromberg's smear of the "latest global warming scare tactic."

a. The key to ginning up hysteria [read: accruing grant money and power] over "climate change" is simple. It depends on general ignorance of the truth about climate, that is, what conditions in fact are part of the true, long-term climate history of earth.
b. First, environuts collect such climate records as they can. Sources, range of error, reliability of the information, and other proper concerns about the quality of the data are immaterial. The point is to have a set of "official" numbers.
c. After the numbers are tabulated or graphed, one finds a period with an abnormally narrow range of values. The time period can be absurdly short compared with the full span. The range of readings can be absurdly narrow compared with the actual historical range. In fact, the narrower the "reference period's" readings, the better. The bigger the differential, the greater the "danger."
d. This newly-defined, narrow "normality" is now sure to have plenty of readings falling far outside "normal conditions." And bingo! "Abnormal" climate means danger; only The Anointed truly understand the danger and what to do; we, the ignorant and threatened, must sacrifice untold treasure and power to them or be lost. There you have it.

#3: Or on Venus, or....

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Reply 6 - Posted by: nerdowell, 9/30/2012 9:29:12 AM     (No. 8900001)

Compare Ghengis Kahn to Tamarlane and the Islamic tribes he made war against.

Then consider that Ghengis opened the Silk Road so that trade could circulate between East and West.

There is a web site called "Political Islam" that makes a convincing case that Muslim expansion caused the dark ages, which would have to be dated as commencing in the 7th century. There may be a problem with this detail, but it's clear that Europe's economy remained static until trade opened to the West.



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Reply 7 - Posted by: Robinsolana, 9/30/2012 9:57:09 AM     (No. 8900036)

There may be some good history and science here.
But, remember Poodle Gore's Global Warming 'settled science' fraud and scam is about political power and the diversion of $trillions in the global economy to address problems that may exist only in the imagination of corrupt computer models.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: FLCracker, 9/30/2012 10:02:07 AM     (No. 8900045)

Dang article doesn't answer the question!

Will Global Warming cause the Mongol Hordes to once again descend upon the Muslim World?

(I tell ya, as a woman, I'd rather be a Mongol rather than a Muslim.)

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Reply 9 - Posted by: moebellini, 9/30/2012 10:44:57 AM     (No. 8900124)

Climate, the weather, warming, cooling, whatever, have all been changing since our planet was created. Was climate change responsible for the Mongol hordes? Who cares, what is it that scientists don't get. I think that they think they are just smarter than everyone else. What is so obvious to most people must not be right. It has to be something that us lessor people are missing. I think that scientists get educated to the point of ignorance. They lose their ablity to think logically and that is their problem. They cannot accept the fact that things happen outside of our control. Deal with it, live with it. End of story.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Grambo, 9/30/2012 11:03:45 AM     (No. 8900155)

Seems we could use a few Mongols about now.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: jimK1, 9/30/2012 11:09:24 AM     (No. 8900162)

Dry up government grants for useless research and all this global warming foolishness goes away. I'd bet that if 98% of all the government money for research stopped, we would be better off, not worse. I mean who cares about the dating habits of the Tsetse fly? Hose them all down with DDT and be done with it.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Merlin251, 9/30/2012 12:50:12 PM     (No. 8900306)

I've also heard that Global Warming was a root cause in the disappearance of Jimmy Hoffa!!! Well hey, everything else seems to have its roots in this chicken little fantasy!!!

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Reply 13 - Posted by: kono, 9/30/2012 1:22:06 PM     (No. 8900349)

Asserting causal connections between two things, based almost entirely on them appearing to coincide in time (saying "distinct drying" may have played a part in Rome's fall, or that increased rainfall may have led to the rise of the Mongol hordes) sounds all wet to me.

Vividness of a researcher's imagination does not necessarily correlate to credibility of his/her conclusions.

[On a side note, I really wish LCom would include "LiveScience" in the banned-words list. It's about as authoritative about science as all-night radio show callers are.]

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Reply 14 - Posted by: pensom2, 9/30/2012 6:32:07 PM     (No. 8900819)

I can understand the knee-jerk negative reactions of those who post the same objections to every global warming article. However, this writer does a favor to the truth. Any reference to ancient global warming serves to reaffirm that the globe goes through natural warming cycles and cooling cycles. The mere fact that we appear to be in a warming cycle need not compel the conclusion that the warming is human-caused.

That's the point that we need to reinforce in people's minds: Sure the planet is temporarily warming, but spending several $trillion to reduce CO2 emissions won't persuade the sun to reduce its radiant emissions.

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