Certain media polls indicating Obama is ahead of Mitt Romney by as much as 10 to 12 points in swing states seem to spell disaster for Romney, but what they really say about the Obama campaign may just surprise you? The absurdity of the skewed sample models in those polls is one thing, but what conservatives need to understand is that polls skewed to heavily favor Democrats logically point to one very important fact - Obama is in big trouble. For one thing, Democrats and the liberal media are taking a huge chance
to obtain a broadcast license from the fcc...isnt promoting well being for the public a part of the promise...and admitted skewed polls are lies fly in the face of that FCC requirement...blatant lies needs to be held accountable all the way to license revoking...who ever does it !!
And they assume that everyone agrees with their position, so they are campaigning in Ohio and claiming that Romney opposes Roe v Wade--I think much of Ohio does, too. They are telling big lies--that they are the party protecting the Middle Class, for example.
Mmmmmm...I don't recall that, #3. I just recall McCain behaving like a complete nimrod. In fact, I remember reading reputable pollsters and thinking this is bad.
I agree with the author...I think he's in big trouble and I think he knows it. My mother posits that he's acting like someone who doesn't care if he loses (not moving to center, etc.), and who is bored with the whole thing, and wants to become some world hooha, like Sec. Gen. to the UN.
#7, I'm also with you and the author. I think he has a long held distaste for work in general...seeing as he's never really had to do much heavy lifting all his life. He wants to be a political rock star, period. It's the wife who wants to keep on the Perk Train, and I'd venture a guess she's telling him on an hourly basis...just to make sure he understands.
Obama is bone lazy; lazier than he is ideological. After his most excellent socialist riff in the WH, he can smell the life-long pampering of a presidential retirement in his $35 mil Hawaiian mansion, entertaining the choom gang and playing golf with his prostitute-chasing BFF. He’s had enough of checking off boxes on presidential papers.
Obozo's extreme weakness: It's the economy Stupid...
ObozoX has the economy in absolute total failure mode; think it is bad now, extreme depression/ inflation are about to hit ... only the desperate act of the treasury QE3 effort printing money and pumping $40 billion per month into the economy is holding it the failure back for Obozo until after the election..
Here is the problem defined pretty simply …. There is $2.5 trillion/yr income and $4 Trillion/yr in expenses, difference /shortfall $1.5 Trillion … resulting in massive 16 Trillion in debt and it is growing exponentially …
To make simpler to understand knocks the zeros off the $trillions in each case ... so say from above your home income is $250,000 per year and your expenses are $400,000 /year .. your debt is already $1,600,000 with interest .. think anyone would loan you money or that you can keep this up very long
Anyone with a household budget knows you cannot borrow your way out of massive debt that is out of control, like the gov is trying to do … the point has already been reached where no country will loan America money and the treasure QE3 printing money will only drive runaway inflation.
To survive this; taxes would have to be raised 50% and there can be no 47% of Americans that pay no taxes …. may be time to declare some of the debt null/void and let the crap hit the fan
Obama is frantic. He and Michelle are desperate to stay in that big white house and continue flying on that big jet plane. Nothing will stop real Americans from going to the polls and voting out this Democrat fraud and saving America. Obama is toast.
The pollsters know that Americans have notoriously short memories. It doesn't matter that they skew the polls this far out from the election. They will, by necessity, become much more accurate when we are less than 2 weeks out from the election. If for no other reason than to salvage their representation. Also, anyone who would pay attention to a polling service that was affiliated with a media organization is foolish. Everyone knows that the major news media are politically biased, and yet people are expected to believe that the polling service will somehow be immune from that bias. Any polling data coming from a service with ABC, CBS, NBC, New York Times, Washington Post, attached to it, should be immediately suspect, and IMO, immediately discarded.
I am hopeful that talk of the polls being skewed is correct. This is why Dick Morris cheers me up. However, the nagging question I have, and no one seems to ask,is, why would pollsters, who do this for a living, depend on customers, and are more successful when they are more accurate, risk losing business for being so wrong? Or, is what we are seeing the customers interpretation or the results of what the cusomer was looking for? I just think that successful pollsters are measured by their accuracy and would not want to damage their credibility. Someone help me out with this.
#19, Rasmussen and Gallup are polling organizations that require accuracy in order to attract clients, and their polls show the race even (or with Romney ahead when "leaners" are counted, as Rasmussen's 9/26 report indicated).
The other polling organizations are affiliated with left-leaning news organizations and universities. They do not need clients for their polls, and they both place a higher value on promoting Obama than they do on presenting the truth. Since nobody believes their "news" any longer, they must now package their lies in the form of "scientific polls".
#19 You will notice that the pollsters are always using words like "volatile" or "moving", or they qualify their data with phrases like "this poll represents only a snapshot of the race". Their reputations depend on just one set of polling data. The last polling data they release before the actual election. Until then, they can give out any numbers they want. These early polls are their opportunity to influence a national election, and don't think for a moment, that they don't know this.
What if Obama really knew he was losing and colluded with the journolisters to skew polls everywhere so that when he actually loses by a small margin, he can sue ala Gore that somehow the Presidency was stolen from him. Would be par for the course for most democrat politicians.
What the LSM is doing is suppressing the Dem vote. Arrogance prevents them from seeing beyond the end of their noses.
The 47%, the Takers, are lazy, and that's the point the LSM refuses to acknowledge. If the Takers can sit at home in front of their 60" flat screens on November 6, while continuing to stay on the dole, keep getting their cut of 0bama's stash, they will. The more the Takers believe their Marxist benefactor will keep stealing from the Makers and giving to the Takers, the better it is for us.
Sooner or later, the LSM is going to have to change horses in the middle of the stream, acknowledge that 0b@$tard is losing big. By then it will be too late. I, for one, am going to fall off my chair laughing when they all start falling out of the saddle and drowning.
Mark Twain said there are 3 types of lies; lies, d@amned lies, and statistics. Polls can easily fall into the 3rd category.
Polling companies don't just call up a set number of folks. When they get some one to answer they have to figure out what demographic they fit in, and THEN they do their statistical adjustment to weight the response for that group. That is, an elderly person will have more weight in the final result than a college kid since older folks turn out to vote more consistantly. So this is where the mischief fits into these polls.
And yes, talk about obumbler being well ahead WILL make many of his supporters complacent and less likely to go vote more than once, even not at all. Such behavior will hurt socialist voter turnout.
I wish Cavuto would get the memo that the poll results are all badly skewed. I watched his show yesterday and felt like slitting my wrists. Obviously, Fox News is gradually going over to the Dark Side, but it's a shame that their on-air conservative personalities are parroting the garbage in / garbage out polls.
#18 has it exactly right. Polls conducted by or paid by the MSM are by their very nature suspect. They are intended to reinforce and support the ideological leanings of the procurer.
The antidote is to find and promote the legitimate, objective and independent pollsters.
At the very least, you should inspect the polls internals before you consider their overall accuracy. Namely, what is the makeup of their sample, and how do their demographic subgroups break down. For example, don't just look at oversampling of one party, but how do the subgroup votes lean. When I see that Independents and the Middle Class have swung to Romney in a big way, it pretty much tells the real story.
#19: Good question but I think they are producing the numbers that their ‘customers’ want. Most poll partners/customers are the MSM and university endowments.
Rasmussen is the only one I take seriously; I take Gallop with a grain of salt and just fume when I read the other pollster’s results.
#11: I think #8 is referring to where the campaign money is being spent. IE, if Obama wasn’t worried about Ohio he wouldn’t be spending so much time and advertising money there and the same for Iowa.
When the smoke clears on the morning of November 8th, the post game show will begin and the light will show bright and clear what the MSM tried to pull off and America will better understand how close we came to annihilating ourselves!
FWIW: When a candidate leaves politics, they keep whatever is in their campaign fund as personal funds and I believe it is also tax free.
Be prepared for the big scream from LIb voters when Obama loses. They'll claim fraud and Romny not a legitimate president. Sad to mistreat these poor boobalas with false numbers and get their hopes all up.
Rush has explained the purpose of polls -- to see how well the propaganda's working. Not at all hard to believe, is that?
#2: Oh, that's a knee-slapper! I laughed out loud. "Accountability." Ack -- I think I hurt myself!
#7: IIRC, the UN Charter bars a former US President from becoming UN Sec Gen. Of course, we all know how much that would mean to anybody. Unless Hillary wants it enough to stop him? I doubt that, though.
#11: I think #8's point is that where and how much the campaigns advertise tells us how they think their candidate is doing. The point makes sense.
#22: Good points. Thanks.
#26: IMHO, a lot of Dem voters will turn out or not depending on how they "feel" on election day [mostly about Obama personally -- are they "disappointed"? bored? "wasn't voting for him 'last time' enough?" Remember Hoffer -- an excuse can last a lifetime.]. Flor them, that will count far more than any polling data they've heard.
#3 - I recall McCain leading the polls in September. It wasn't until the bank meltdown and McCain's pathetic performance on that issue that the tide turned. Barry said and did nothing (as usual)and appeared competent while McCain put on his Superman cape and crashed into a wall. It's only the past two years we've seen these wild, irrrational sampling discrepancies. As one writer pointed out yesterday, pollsters would have you believe that Democrat voter turnout this year will far exceed 2008. Either they're delusional or they're intentionally lying to push an agenda. They've destroyed their credibilty either way.
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beat the press, 9/27/2012 9:18:43 AM (No. 8893113)
This is a crawl over broken glass election to oust this incompetent fraud. Every vote for Romney from the most conservative district in Texas to the lefty Berkley, California counts. Don't forget that BHO is a rabble rousing community organizer who would love nothing more than civil unrest when he gets his butt kicked. The electoral college vote will win the election, but the popular vote is very important too. In addition to the red states, I'm convinced that the deep blue states will be riddled with voter fraud to boost the popular vote so the lefties can demagogue a Romney victory/mandate. I'm from Illinois and renting a stretch limousine to get every possible voter to the polls. I'll be happy to be branded a "limousine conservative" that day!
The skewed polls are to encourge o's base. He can't excite them this election. So he's using push polls and lying media to push his base to vote.
And #7 tell your Momma o can not be Sec. Gen of the UN any more than bill and hill could. We are members of the UN Security Council. No one from any UN Security Council Country may be UN Sec. Not Russia, or England or China, etc... I hope and pray that was clear. ..learned that when people were posting that as bill and hill's aspiration.
Speaking of Fox, I was extremely disappointed in Steven Hayes last night on the panel carrying on about the polls moving to the Empty Chair. I can only go with what I see, this time 4 years ago all I saw here in central DE were 0/b bumper stickers and yard signs. To date I have seen 1 0/b yard sign and two bumper stickers, 2 R&R yard signs and two bumper stickers. That is about as scientific as most of the polls out there.
These ridiculous, skewed polls could be the groundwork for a massive election fraud effort by the Dems. Here in Nevada, we now have on-line voter registration along with automatic registration at DMV, Welfare, . Food Stamps, etc, etc. Soon the Dems will have automatic registration when you are booked into jail or when you buy a crack pipe. We also have early voting, mail-in voting, absentee voting and proxy voting for the dead, felons and illegals and all the J.K. Rowling characters. If we still had one way and one place to register and one day and one place to vote, like we had for 200 years and the rest of the world still has, the Dems would never win an election - and they know it. We are the ones who are disenfranchised by the Dems drove these non contributors with absolutely no skin in the game.
BTW, I believe Romney will win going away. If he doesn't, it's over in this country.
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god of irony, 9/27/2012 10:00:45 AM (No. 8893236)
No doubt that the polls are weighted for Obama but you can't deny that lately they are moving in Obama's favor.
#42, In my county the Republicans don't even have a headquarters set up and when I went to the major city headquarter website they haven't even updated since early July. Republican party is not serious about winnng.
It's about time this was brought to the forefront. Media polls are mathematical garbage and are designed to influence, not inform. If you bombard humans with a message long enough, they will eventually accept it as a truth. Obama's media propaganda machine must be countered lest we see another loss.
What No.1 said, just why IS he campaigning as though he is behind? I remember in '08, just days before the election there was a story about BO taking time OFF & body-surfing in Hawaii! I thought that was extremely odd & apathetic behavior for a candidate - if he really wanted to win. I thought then, that either he knew what the outcome was going to be or he didn't care one way or the other about winning. This time he seems to care...?
There is nothing you can do about the polls. So why worry? Hopefully, the Romney team has competent polling on board. As a voter, you cannot let the polls effect your emotions. If you're a conservative like me, we tend to hang up the phone when that pollster calls. On top of that, what kind of people are attracted to jobs calling people at home. I don't mean that in a denigrating way. Work is work and I admire those who might do this job to feed their family. But for the most part, the call center people are Democrats. So, even if they had ideological parity on polling, there would always be bias in the process.
@ 27, Not only Cavuto, but the entire Fox stable is no different than the other news outlets. They receive "news items" from either the Assoc. press, or Reuters and their producers write the dialogue and voila,you have the "news." Same info,different slant.
Read Ms. Lucianne's headlines,or Drudge's and thats what they report. Even Rush reports on the same info. It is the interpretation that makes the difference.
As for the polls, the Cables would go out of business with them. Lying has been elevated to an art form,so a rose by any other name..........!
so many ideas so little space, I have said here time and again, watch how these samples are made up, watch the +/- %. If +/- is at 4 or higher it is a garbage poll. This is all psych ops. I will crawl over broken glass to vote against Obama.
Now weird observation - there are no, I mean no political signs out here in Lehigh Valley, Northeastern PA. We are usually blanketed. My hubs and I can't believe 40 days before an election no signs. No lawn signs in former Obama supporters lawns, nothing. One idea we had was that the unions locally don't have the money or manpower for the blanketing?
Also here is something I found encouraging- PA is requiring ID at the polls, so maybe just maybe my late father in law, who was a union steelworker, might not be voting posthumerously this time.
Finally I too have wondered if this poll meddling is not a desparate way for Obama to say the election is illegitimate if he loses. Don' t think it will work, but he is living in cloudcookoo land these days anyway.
Gas at $4.29 here. Closed storefronts everywhere. Hussein has the country under a dark cloud. I hope Romney Ryan find a way to connect to voters. Hussein has not used his October surprise yet. Unemployment will be announced at 7.9% or less before the election (prediction).
Another thing Rush said on his show yesterday (in addition to comment posted above), was that Obama may be setting up a situation for his supporters to riot if Obama loses (big), because the polls told the riot prone crowd he was far ahead of Romney. They are going to think the election was stolen from him/them.
There is one more thing that I believe is slanting the majority of these polls. David Axelgrease. Remember, a few weeks ago, he complained to Gallup that there sampling wasn't right or something. To me, that became a veiled threat that they, Gallup, had better start showing Obozo in a better light or something bad just might happen to them. And you can bet a bent nickel that the rest of the news outlet associated polls promptly fell in line. Think about it. We're seeing poll numbers that we haven't seen all year long. And they show that Obozo is flying ahead at an unbelievable rate. Well, it is unbelievable simply because it's all false and made up. The only poll I will believe in is the one that comes out on Nov. 7.
Can anyone give me an earthly reason why we should pay any attention to polls? They're a dime a dozen. They're like expert witnesses. You get yours and I'll get mine. Politicians should, and do, rely only on their own internal pollsters. The rest of it is (word of the day) noise. We should fight each day like we're down by 10 and are relentlessly clawing our was back to the top.
I live in the Virginia suburbs of Washington DC, and it is prime Obama country around here (large number of black folks and a high concentration of government employees & contractors). Yes, there are Obama 2012 stickers and yard signs to be found, but not even remotely close to four years ago, when this area was papered over with Obama 2008 signs/stickers etc.
I do not believe that Obama is running very close to Romney in VA, just based on what I've seen.
This following is how the alleged Commander in Chief behaves when we have Marines and soldiers dying at a record pace in Afghanistan. We are about to surpass 1500 US dead in his 45 months as Eye Candy in Chief. Just as we have an economy in the gutter and terrorists attacking us. Hat Tip to Jim Geraghty at NRO on 9/17 for finding this disgraceful nugget in a NYT piece on the cable show Homeland and an interview with Damian Lewis.
"he said Mr. Obama told him, “While Michelle and the two girls go play tennis on Saturday afternoons, I go in the Oval Office, pretend I’m going to work, and then I switch on ‘Homeland.’ ” This alone should be grounds for impeachment. He refuses to take the daily PDB and hides in the Oval Office watching cable tv.
I hope this is so. I am not naive, but Obama and the media are doing things that make me think things are not as rosey as they would have us beleive. But,I remember news when Chet Huntley and David Brinkley, Walter Cronkite (Before he had to tell us his liberal opinions)Howard K. Smith were on air. A lot more honest reporting!. Now it is a joke. I think it is obvious and everyone(and they) know it. So Why? I think they are all desperate to protect the "down ticket" candidates to get more of them elected and not blown out by collateral damage.
Regarding yard signs, bumper stickers and such I live in SC but just south of Charlotte NC and have yet to see a single 0 yard sign and only one bumper sticker.
In 08, 0 signs and stickers were everywhere. Also, I went to the Romney Campaign site and there are no campaign offices listed in SC at all! Plenty in NC so I guess that's where they're spending the campaign money. Just my observation FWIW...
I live in SF bay area and we are not seeing the Obama stickers that we saw 4 yrs ago. I know it will still be Obama ahead double digits but I think the turn out will be much lower.
One of our employees, an African American man, told me that he was very disenchanted with Obama. Doesn't think he will vote for Romney but also won't vote for Obama. He thinks Obama spends too much time trying to be cool. He was very upset with the way Obama handled the Libya attack. He said to me 'Bush would have answered these guys with a bomb.'
No need to wait for the campaign to send anything. At cafepress.com there are loads of great signs and stickers you can have sent overnight. I consider it a donation. After all we're not the takers who sit around waiting for others to do things for us - right??
During the televised debates there is no way that Obama and Biden are going to make the American people believe that Romney and Ryan are scarier then they are. Remember Obama now has a record that he cannot run on, of which his signature legislative achievement, Obama care is unpopular with more then half of the American people.
It's not going to happen as in the debates, Romney will come across as a Reagan like figure, will be calling Obama on his lies, and will be telling the American people the truth. Obama can't do that, so he will loose the debates in enough people's minds to overcome the liberal media bias. Same with Ryan over Biden.
If the first debate goes down the tubes for Obama so badly that the liberal media can't bail him out, look for him to find some reason to pull out of the subsequent debates.
JUst comments on posts today. Yes, Fox is repeating the polls, but they also have lost of questions about why the polls are so in Zip's favor. They have people on who are explaining the reasons. I don't know about the other networks, I don't watch.
# 52 I agree completely. Have made sure to keep plenty of dry ammo. AND off the grid means of light, cooking, and food
To skew a poll for Obe is to keep the cash rolling rolling into the pollster's pockets while the won is preening and spending more and more on those polls. Gee big cash only comes their way every 4 years.
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The world premiere of the “Ballad for Trayvon Martin for Orchestra and Jazz Quartet” is set for tonight. Princeton University’s director of its jazz-studies program composed the work in honor of the Florida teen. Anthony D. J. Branker told the Star-Ledger that the piece is intended to “be a form of healing” after Martin’s death and the controversial court case that followed it. The ballad, which will be performed by the university’s official orchestra and jazz ensemble, is intended to be a tribute to victims of racial violence, Branker explained. He hopes that the performance will be “one that speaks to
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WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama has high praise for potential 2016 contenders Vice President Joe Biden and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. “I think Joe Biden will go down in history as one of the best vice presidents ever, and he has been with me, at my side, in every tough decision that I’ve made,” Obama told MSNBC in an interview Thursday held at American University. “Hillary, I think, will go down in history as one of the finest secretaries of state we’ve ever had, and helped to transition us away from a deep hole that we were in,
WASHINGTON — Without Nelson Mandela, there might never have been a President Obama. That is the strong impression conveyed from Mr. Obama, whose political and personal bonds to Mr. Mandela, the former South African president, transcended their single face-to-face meeting, which took place at a hotel here in 2005. It was the fight for racial justice in South Africa by Mr. Mandela that first inspired a young Barack Obama to public service, the American president recalled on Thursday evening after hearing that Mr. Mandela, the 95-year-old world icon, had died. Mr. Obama delivered his first public speech, in 1979, at
One definition of a pathological liar is someone who lies where the truth would serve just as well. When President Obama’s uncle, Onyango Obama, was arrested in 2011 for drunk driving, the truth — that Obama had stayed with his uncle years earlier for several weeks as a Harvard law student — would have served the president just fine. No potential Obama voter would have held it against him that an uncle he had stayed with two decades earlier was picked up for DUI. Yet the White House went with a lie, claiming that Obama had never met his uncle. Now that