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Green New Deal: Is 100% Renewable Energy
Even Possible, Or Good For The Environment?

Investor´s Business Daily, by John Merline

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Posted By:RockyTCB, 2/4/2019 7:02:28 AM

Last year, California, the nation´s most populous state and the world´s fifth-largest economy, declared that all of its energy would come from renewable sources by 2045. It became the second state in the nation, after Hawaii, to set that goal. Since then, several governors who won their elections in 2016, including those from Nevada, Michigan and New York, campaigned on 100% clean energy. New Mexico´s new Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham campaigned on a promise of 80% renewable energy by 2040. Xcel Energy announced plans to be 100% carbon-free by 2050.


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Hermit_Crab, 2/4/2019 7:31:42 AM     (No. 11890493)

Not really the "Green New Deal".

What it really is, is the Watermelon Deal:

A thin veneer of green covering a giant mass of red communism.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: John56, 2/4/2019 7:34:57 AM     (No. 11890500)

Problem is that most of these renewable energy sources aren´t storeable. Battery technology isn´t there yet, to store the output of a 400 megawatt plant you´d need a battery farm the size of three ocean liners and if there was an explosion it would make Hiroshima look like a firecracker.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Curious1, 2/4/2019 7:53:01 AM     (No. 11890517)

I´d prefer LTRs nationwide in conservative states, myself. More oil and gas and their downstream products that we could export, then, too.
LTR (liquid thorium reactor)

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Reply 4 - Posted by: bpl40, 2/4/2019 7:57:01 AM     (No. 11890520)

Solar power is a major component of this green business. What they won´t tell you is that current technology requires that it be coupled with a natural gas driven thermal capability. Otherwise it is not viable on a practical scale. The carbon footprint of an efficiently designed 100% gas powered thermal plant with similar output is LESS than this hybrid. Besides manufacture of solar panels draws disproportionate amount of resources from other options. Something developing economies can ill afford. This whole business is full of fraud.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: chumley, 2/4/2019 8:01:06 AM     (No. 11890527)

I hope there are physicists working on the use of gravity as energy(beyond hydroelectric, which needs evaporation and weather patterns to sustain). As long as there is matter gravity exists and we constantly expend other forms of energy overcoming it. If it could be made to work all our energy problems would be solved.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Muguy, 2/4/2019 8:14:50 AM     (No. 11890543)

Many of the wind turbines scattered around can produce energy, but not without fairly steady WIND.

A few years ago, wind turbines in West Texas which were meant to help supply energy needs in the Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex area were unable to provide electricity because the wind did not blow.

This resulted in a series of parsed rolling brownouts because the wind didn´t blow and the electricity produced has no way of being STORED.

If the wind blows at a very high rate for a sustained period of time, the rotors can turn so fast as to actually damage the wind turbine.

Only by getting tax subsidies from governments are these going to be put in place or reliable sources of inexpensive energy at the present time, even IF the environmentalist wackos will let them be placed in their back yard, as the rotors often kill birds and make a lot of "noise".

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Reply 7 - Posted by: red1066, 2/4/2019 8:29:43 AM     (No. 11890563)

What is needed is cheaper forms of energy production. Right now oil and gas are cheaper then anything else. The regular worker can´t afford renewable energy without massive tax breaks from government, and since wages for the average worker have been stagnant for 20 years, renewable energy is too expensive.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: M2, 2/4/2019 8:51:54 AM     (No. 11890591)

It doesn´t matter if it´s possible or even good. Liberals don´t think. They react and do what they believe is right. That makes them insane, promoting things that have never worked and cannot work.

They are bereft of common sense.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: TCloud, 2/4/2019 9:01:00 AM     (No. 11890600)

We purists still call it CAP and TRADE!

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Reply 10 - Posted by: plex, 2/4/2019 9:35:26 AM     (No. 11890651)

Go LTR!!

No one asks some important questions. Say we were able to take all the energy we needed from wind. What would be the impact on the climate?

One thing learned in the Biosphere experiment is that without wind, tree branches fall off.

What would be the impact on the desert ecosystem it significant amounts of sunlight did not reach to ground?

No answers, yet full speed ahead!! Typical politcal decisions.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: joew9, 2/4/2019 9:36:06 AM     (No. 11890653)

The big problem with most of these "renewable" forms of energy is they require as much energy to build and maintain as they produce.
Fossil fuels are at least 5:1(ratio of 5). Five parts of energy out for us to use - to one part energy in to produce(drill/mine/ship/refine).
Wind and solar are very close to 1:1(ratio of 1). And many studies show they don´t even hit 1 which means that every source with a ratio less than 1 is a net energy sink. It might be a pretty looking windmill but it´s using - not producing energy.
Using tax money to subsidize the building of these inefficient monsters might help the owners to realize a profit but that´s just a measure of money. Tax money paying for the energy loss does not make up for the fact that ultimately energy is lost.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Ribald1, 2/4/2019 9:58:47 AM     (No. 11890679)

Works for me.
Oil and gas are renewable energy sources. The earth makes continuously.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: jacksin5, 2/4/2019 10:31:02 AM     (No. 11890760)

In Maine, they placed turbines along mountain ridges in the western Appalachians.

They are shut down most of the time due to too much wind for the turbines to handle.

And the ares is sparsely populated, and borders the Hydro rich country of Canada.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: Ruler of the Elves, 2/4/2019 10:45:57 AM     (No. 11890808)

Nuclear fusion is the only hope.

We shall all know when we get it.

All the rest of the renewable stuff is just a come-on for somebodies green companies of which certain politicians will get their share.
Just look at electric cars (snort).
If you want electricity with efficiency the best thing going now is fuel cells. Very workable. Not much promoted. It could run all the electric companies out of business.
It will not happen.

Politicians make sorry scientists.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: jeffkinnh, 2/4/2019 12:17:24 PM     (No. 11890975)

A pretty good overview of the foolishness of trying to get to 100% renewable energy.

A summary of the intent of these plans might point out that renewable vs green are completely different problems. You might be worried about renewability if you are running out of carbon fuels very soon. We are not. Proven reserves keep increasing as technology uncovers more oil and gas. If the abiotic theory is right, we will NEVER run out.

You are worried about green if you are a climate Alarmist that thinks the planet is warming. In that case, renewables like biomass are NOT helpful. Hydropower also does environmental damage. Fortunately, the Alarmists are wrong.

So, if you are not worried about running out or burning up, maybe the solution is to keep working to improve technology to provide more efficient uses of energy and discover more; just as we have been doing right along.

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