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California mandates solar panels
for homes built in 2020 and later

Fox News, by Bradford Betz

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Posted By:NorthernDog, 12/6/2018 9:29:25 AM

California lawmakers on Wednesday officially approved a measure that mandates all homes built in the Golden State in 2020 and beyond be solar-powered. The new standards were approved earlier this year and voted on unanimously by the California Building Standards Commission, the Orange County Register reported. Officials heralded the move as a “historical undertaking” that “will be a beacon of light for the rest of the country.” The provisions add an estimated $10,000 to the cost of building a single-family home – including more than $8,400 for installing solar and roughly $1,500 for energy efficiency. Proponents of these requirements, however

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Reply 1 - Posted by: qwerty, 12/6/2018 9:37:50 AM     (No. 11854528)

Pass the pop corn. This "FEEL GOOD" garbage is nothing more than a money grab from contractors. Can you see house sales nose dive?
Only the emaciated vegan tree huggers will be the buyers.
SAVE YOURSELF ... DON´T MOVE to the LEFT SIDE.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: plex, 12/6/2018 9:44:26 AM     (No. 11854536)

Will increase the value of older homes without solar.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: jeffkinnh, 12/6/2018 9:52:01 AM     (No. 11854545)

This will add to the costs of already overpriced real estate and continue to drive people out of the state.

As long as the federal government doesn´t bail out California for their insane ideas and the cost of them, they can dig themselves deeper into the pit as they wish.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: fayebeck, 12/6/2018 9:54:48 AM     (No. 11854549)

#2 No problem. The older homes will be required to "upgrade" with solar before owner is allowed to sell. Count on it.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Axeman, 12/6/2018 9:56:18 AM     (No. 11854551)

Good. This will require cutting down every tall tree within shading distance. Thereby reducing the fire danger.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: pchristopher, 12/6/2018 9:58:36 AM     (No. 11854555)

Let´s see what happens when "teenagers" start going through neighborhoods and throw rocks and bullets at them.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: Muguy, 12/6/2018 10:04:14 AM     (No. 11854561)

There must be some sort of concerted effort being made on this, because just yesterday I heard about some wacko group trying to get something like that introduced into the upcoming session of the Texas Legislature.

They have an agenda and they are going to ram it through and keep working until people relent or the get some weak legislator to wimp out due to bad media press attacking them.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Hotrod, 12/6/2018 10:04:37 AM     (No. 11854562)

Like it´s not expensive enough to build a house in California now! I wonder if the insurance companies will pay for this when the houses that recently burned up in the fires are rebuilt? They better hurry up and build before 2020- if they can get through all the permitting process in the next year! One thing for sure, insurance rates will go up, regardless.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Ribald1, 12/6/2018 10:14:13 AM     (No. 11854573)

Elon Musk´s solar company, along with his car company and his rocket company are facing a very real threat of Trump cutting off access to your wallet.
The Chinese, who make most of the solar panels, are likewise facing losing a place at the trough.
So look for this kind of thing happening all over the country.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Highlander, 12/6/2018 10:15:10 AM     (No. 11854575)

Well, my home value just tanked! Who’s going to buy a house in California, knowing this law is going to affect every homeowner in the state?

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Reply 11 - Posted by: enemyofthestate, 12/6/2018 10:20:50 AM     (No. 11854582)

Stand by for the unintended consequences.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: skacmar, 12/6/2018 10:23:53 AM     (No. 11854589)

California is the real life version of Atlas Shrugged. They keep making so many regulations "for the good of the people" that they are destroying any incentive to build, relocate, or open or operate a business there. The only reason to live there is if you want to live in a nanny state where all of your decisions are made for you by the government.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Words have Meaning, 12/6/2018 10:30:06 AM     (No. 11854597)

A message to all residents of CA...Just because your state is in the toilet and quickly going down the drain, do not think for one second you can just move out of state and spread your poison to neighboring states.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: earlybird, 12/6/2018 10:32:22 AM     (No. 11854600)

Years ago (in the 1970s) a very large multi-state development company that I worked for, that build entire communities of many hundreds of homes, discarded the idea of installing solar because it was ineffective. For many reasons it could not support a home’s entire power needs. The best it could do would be to act as backup. To heat a swimming pool. Not much else.

Another screwball Jerry Brown idea.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: earlybird, 12/6/2018 10:33:12 AM     (No. 11854602)

Re #14, that company built its huge developments in California, Arizona and Texas.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: Thos Weatherby, 12/6/2018 10:33:41 AM     (No. 11854605)

No matter which state you live in, I wouldn´t by buying anything solar at this time. See what happens in California. The price of solar should drastically come down. So it won´t hurt to wait it out for a few years.
The demise of this law will be the people won´t maintain their systems. They´re only good for 20 to 30 years anyway so what happens then.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: Starboard_side, 12/6/2018 10:34:35 AM     (No. 11854607)

Of course they could have mandated that every government building, school, university, hospital, warehouse building, and mall parking lots could have been pushed to install solar panels instead, and they would cover FAR more acreage than a bunch of homes, particularly new built homes.

It would reduce the carbon footprint, lower the energy use(costs) for every gov´t department, which would also mean they would needn´t need as much $$ in future budgets.



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Reply 18 - Posted by: LC Chihuahua, 12/6/2018 10:35:43 AM     (No. 11854609)

I would say there goes the housing industry, but California has likely already destroyed it with sky high prices. No wonder people are leaving the state. Nothing will be fixed either. The corrupt left has a chokehold on California at the federal level, and the state level. It will get worse.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: seamusm, 12/6/2018 10:36:39 AM     (No. 11854611)

Oh PLEASE Dear Lord! Don´t let Californians move to Texas and spread their voting habits.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: Clinger, 12/6/2018 10:39:48 AM     (No. 11854613)

That pesky middle class refused to completely disappear, they had to do something. This should finish them off so they can enjoy the land of filthy rich elites and droves of poor unwashed masses. Way to go Cali can´t wait for Illinois to catch up.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: peebster, 12/6/2018 10:42:39 AM     (No. 11854615)

$10K per home? Yeah, right. And the bullet train will only cost $3B. If its mandated, the cost will easily go to $50K or higher. We reduced our San Jose water use by half, killed most of our yard and what happened? They doubled our water rates. We now live in Michigan and love it. Escaped just in time apparently...

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Reply 22 - Posted by: Mr. Know-It-All, 12/6/2018 10:42:46 AM     (No. 11854616)

And these Einsteins will be surprised that the higher costs of housing in the state will further aggravate the lack of "affordable" housing. Of course their solution will be to mandate that the builders lower their prices for a certain portion of the population, forcing them the raise their prices on everyone else to offset the lost revenue.

It´s the leftist way.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: Nevadadad46, 12/6/2018 10:45:22 AM     (No. 11854622)

Fantastic! Californians will be swarming into Nevada buying homes- My home here is already worth nearly a half million. The only downside is- They are Californians!

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Reply 24 - Posted by: coldoc, 12/6/2018 10:49:27 AM     (No. 11854626)

Here in AZ, an initiative to californicate the state mandating "renewable" energy sources failed 70-30%. Like almost having the hairball hag for president, we dodged a bullet.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: M2, 12/6/2018 11:08:43 AM     (No. 11854663)

CA, please secede so the rest of us can live in peace.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: snowoutlaw, 12/6/2018 11:11:13 AM     (No. 11854668)

Hopefully the future housing shortage will keep some of the liberals from moving in from back east and distroying a once great state.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: scottj, 12/6/2018 11:15:03 AM     (No. 11854672)

Beacon of light for the rest of the country? I think we heard the same thing about that high speed train. Thats some beacon.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: mc squared, 12/6/2018 11:59:22 AM     (No. 11854720)

Assuming it worked and a percentage of homes go off the grid. Do you think power companies aren´t going to distribute their costs over the remaining customers?

Most solar homes are never fully off the grid: they retain commercial power for emergencies, panel failures, and long gray weather conditions (wildfires?).
Power plants can´t be shut down and started ´at will´. They will run all the time, anyway.




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Reply 29 - Posted by: dynomitethings, 12/6/2018 12:21:19 PM     (No. 11854741)

Absolutely ridiculous. Solyndra, anyone?

I´ve been to California, from San Diego to San Francisco and while it is a very pretty state, I don´t see the appeal of living there. With stunts like this, the outrageous taxation as well as high housing costs, etc. I don´t understand why anyone would want to live there.

It´s worse than Europe in some aspects(!) and I´ve lived in Europe, as a citizen, for many years...so I know.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: JediJerry, 12/6/2018 12:25:04 PM     (No. 11854743)

Don’t forget it costs a lot of money per year to clean these panels because the more dust and dirt that accumulates on them the less efficient they are. These panels will add additional costs to construction for structural engineering the new loads on the roof framing, walls and foundations as well as additional costs for all of the supporting structures. Next we will see the all wise and knowing state mandate guacamole be served at every meal. Thus giving the avocado farmers in Mexico a real boost in sales.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: dvc, 12/6/2018 12:40:36 PM     (No. 11854762)

Another nail in the coffin of California.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: jacksin5, 12/6/2018 12:57:31 PM     (No. 11854794)

Like Electric cars, the main drawback is storage capacity of the energy created.

And like others have already stated, an installation cost of 10K is a pipedream.

The only person who will be happy with this is Elon Musk, darling of the Leftist Dreamers.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: Timber Queen, 12/6/2018 1:02:06 PM     (No. 11854797)

California is not the only state infected by communists, nor are we the epicenter sending voter-agents across the country to spread the virus. Every state, whether blue, red, or purple, already have the pathogens in their systems.

California, New York, Illinois, Massachusetts and so many others are the laboratories where new strategies and tactics are tried, and then farmed out to the purple and red states. If the Republicans were truly anti-communists, we could have a fighting chance but that is just not reality. It is the legislatures and governors that pass these oppressive laws, not the voters of a state. The Dims picked up control of more legislatures and governor offices this mid-term.

California is my birthright and I’m staying. Why move when there is no “safe” state that will not be taken over slowly and stealthily in the same way that tarnished the Golden State. Each of us has to fight for our state, for our country, and right now for our President. Donald Trump is our only hope to save our Constitution.

Moving out of socialist states is not the answer, it’s just moving pieces around on the game board. Did we all abandon America when Obola was in charge? Stay, fight, win.

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Reply 34 - Posted by: rubberneck, 12/6/2018 1:20:36 PM     (No. 11854820)

If you live in Palm Springs, sunshine probably hits your rooftop 320 days a year.

If you live in Eureka, 40+ inches of rain hits your rooftop every year - 10 times as much as in Palm Springs. (23+ inches falls on Nancy´s house in San Francisco every year.)

If there´s any one state that´s an unlikely candidate for mandatory solar panels across-the-state, it would be California.

(But that´s just the common sense in me... and what do I know, compared with the California Building Standards Commission?)

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Reply 35 - Posted by: judy, 12/6/2018 1:21:17 PM     (No. 11854821)

With 75% of Californians on welfare I don´t think they have to worry about solar panels on new homes.

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Reply 36 - Posted by: schnapps, 12/6/2018 3:23:42 PM     (No. 11854908)

Other CA beacons of light:

- High speed train. Budget $30 billion - looking more like $200 billion. Can´t find any tracks yet.

- Embryonic Stem Cell research. Spent $6 - $9 billion to date. Only break-throughs have been in adult stem cell researchers outside CA.

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Reply 37 - Posted by: dvc, 12/6/2018 3:27:49 PM     (No. 11854911)

#7, understand that the business folks who will benefit greatly from ENFORCED PURCHASING of their (probably overpriced, since the buyer MUST BUY) solar systems will be very, very interested in all state legislatures pushing this kind of law.

Businesses LOVE customers being required to purchase their wares. And they will send money back to the legislators as bribes and campaign contributions in great numbers.

Look at ethanol. Bad idea, costs more, lowers gas mileage, harms all small engines that are not run with great regularity, yet can the 200 million people that hate it get it stopped? Of course not, the corn farmers and the ethanol distillers have the legislatures all bribed and paid up, can´t stop it.

Solar panels on homes will be the same if we let it get a foothold. Kill this in the beginning or have it forever.

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Reply 38 - Posted by: anonymous, 12/6/2018 3:31:28 PM     (No. 11854913)

Yet more Communist-style intrusion by those in the California government who are hell-bent on doing "good for the world". I can´t see the US Supreme Court allowing it.

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Reply 39 - Posted by: earlybird, 12/6/2018 5:35:37 PM     (No. 11854992)

Re #33, yes. And yes and yes…

Have you ever noticed we never hear where the California bashers live? What Utopia they have chosen to reside and spend their days in while stoning California, all of its residents, including the California LDotters.

Better not get a hurricane or a tornado. I won’t be able to find my violin.

This is not the friendly supportive LCom of old. Too sad.

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Reply 40 - Posted by: strike3, 12/6/2018 5:43:51 PM     (No. 11855000)

Too late, #13. The liberal virus has already spread from Commiefornia to Washington, Oregon, Colorado, Arizona and to a certain extent back east. If you meet new neighbors moving in and they say they are from California, sell your home quickly and move to the Midwest.

Residents may brag that California has a lot of industry and opportunities but you have to live in misery, crawl on freeways, pay outrageous taxes and suffer fools for politicians to take advantage of them. It may be worth it for some but not if you want to stay sane. Just look at Pelosi, Moonbeam, Feinstein, Maxine, Schiff and Harris, those wild buggy eyes and insane rhetoric say it all.

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Reply 41 - Posted by: earlybird, 12/6/2018 7:01:09 PM     (No. 11855058)

Re #35, link for that percentage on welfare, please.

The story I saw within the last day or so gave a percentage near that for illegal families, not all Californians.

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Reply 42 - Posted by: gone2pot, 12/6/2018 7:14:58 PM     (No. 11855064)

33, there are Venezuelans who feel the same way. Wait until Newsom and the CalMarxists give the entire world free health care, free income, free college and probably subsidized solar panels for their tent cities near Angel Stadium. I left in ´94 and hang a picture of the Welcome To California sign framed by my rear view mirror in the barndominium. However, I do pray for you and TK regularly.

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Reply 43 - Posted by: doctorfixit, 12/6/2018 9:09:03 PM     (No. 11855115)

Just in case there are any young people left in the state who could possibly afford to buy a home, Democrats are here to protect their property investments by adding more cost to get into the game.

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Has President Trump suckered Democrats and the Deep State into a trap that will enable a radical downsizing of the federal bureaucracy? In only 5 more days of the already-“longest government shutdown in history” (25 days and counting, as of today), a heretofore obscure threshold will be reached, enabling permanent layoffs of bureaucrats furloughed 30 days or more. Don’t believe me that federal bureaucrats can be laid off? Well, in bureaucratese, a layoff is called a RIF – a Reduction in Force (snip) if the guidelines are followed, bureaucrats can be laid off -- as in no more job

Why Gillette´s lunge to
political correctness will bomb

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American Thinker, by Monica Showalter    Original Article
Posted By: PageTurner- 1/15/2019 10:09:27 AM     Post Reply
Gillette´s new ad, browbeating men through a #MeToo and "toxic masculinity" pitch, supposedly to persuade men to buy their razors, is so revolting it´s possible to think it´s satire. There is also a 30-second version, which doesn´t even seem to be about selling razors: Seriously, did a spy from Schick get into the Procter & Gamble´s advertising agency and concoct an ad very sure to turn potential customers off? Who would want to buy that after such a string of insults? Isn´t ad rule number one to not insult the customer? Well, this one does.

Surprise: Genius behind man-hating
Gillette ad is a radical feminist

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American Thinker, by DC Larson    Original Article
Posted By: magnante- 1/16/2019 6:44:37 AM     Post Reply
In recent days, many online essays have rightly ripped apart Gillette´s ugly new "We Believe" advertisement. One online critic dubbed it "feel-bad liberalism." (snip) "I guess the guy at the ad agency missed the lesson about not taking a dump on the people you want to buy your stuff," cracked comedian Steven Crowder. "The guy at the ad agency" is actually philosophically unpleasant feminist Kim Gehrig. Hiring her to court the male market is like expecting to accrue impressive rainbow flag sale numbers with spiels from Farrakhan.

Rep. Ocasio-Cortez—Paid $174K Tax
Dollars Per Year—Complains of ´Trouble
Affording Second Apartment’

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Cybercast News Service, by Staff    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 1/14/2019 3:42:31 PM     Post Reply
Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D.-N.Y.), who is now being paid a salary of $174,000 as a member of Congress, is complaining about the financial stress of securing a second apartment. “The thing Republicans taking cheap shots forget to mention is that it’s about having trouble affording a SECOND apartment,” Ocasio-Cortez wrote in a Tweet sent out on Sunday. “I live in the Bronx and work in D.C. Need spot in both,” she said. (Tweets) Ocasio-Cortez made these remarks while retweeting a Tweet from “progressive activist" Jordan Uhl who said: “Expecting her to easily drop serious cash in another high-rent area is

The brazen plot against Trump by
the Obama-era FBI and DOJ continues,
enabled by a complicit media

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Fox News, by Victoria Toensing, Joseph diGenova    Original Article
Posted By: Harlowe- 1/14/2019 2:47:45 PM     Post Reply
A stench has been emanating from the J. Edgar Hoover Building (FBI headquarters) for over two years. It landed Saturday on the front page of the New York Times in an article citing “former law enforcement officials” claiming they had to deal with “explosive implications” that President Donald Trump was “knowingly” or “unwittingly” working for Russia. Thus, the story goes, there was a basis to begin the Russia collusion investigation. In fact, “The Gray Lady” was covering the derrieres of the Obama administration officials involved in the cabal to frame Trump, who now fear an imminent Special Counsel finding that

Pelosi asks Trump to reschedule
State of the Union address

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politico.com, by Heather Caygle    Original Article
Posted By: Nephilim- 1/16/2019 9:45:56 AM     Post Reply
Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Wednesday asked President Donald Trump to reschedule his State of the Union address — or deliver it in writing — as long as the government remains shut down. "Sadly, given the security concerns and unless government re-opens this week, I suggest that we work together to determine another suitable date after government has re-opened for this address or for you to consider delivering your State of the Union address in writing to the Congress on January 29th," Pelosi wrote in a letter to Trump.

Britain´s ´First Transgender Family´ Now
Transitioning Their 5-Year-Old Son To Female

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Daily Wire, by Amanda Prestigiacomo    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 1/15/2019 7:29:42 PM     Post Reply
A family dubbed Britain’s "first transgender family" has announced that they are encouraging the gender transition of their five-year-old son, Jayden. According to the family, Jayden, a biological male, likes dresses and hates "everything about being a boy." The little boy´s "step-dad," Greg Rogers, is a 27-year-old biological female who now identifies as a male. The child’s mother is a 21-year-old woman named Jody. Both Jodi and Greg are furious that concerned citizens (referred to as “trolls” by many U.K.-based outlets) have reported them to social services for apparent child abuse. The couple, however, maintain Jayden — who is on

Gillette Tells Men They´re Repulsive Creeps. Now
Give Them Your Money, You Piece of Garbage

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PJ Media, by Jim Treacher    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 1/15/2019 4:26:22 AM     Post Reply
Are you a man? That is to say, are you a genetic male who also happens to identify as a "man," for some increasingly antiquated reason? If so, are you under the mistaken impression that you´re not a rapist? Our society has come a long way in shaming men for behaving in any way that anybody anywhere doesn´t like, and reminding men that we´re all complicit even if we don´t behave that way. But it´s not nearly enough. The mere fact of maleness is shameful and problematic. Men and boys everywhere need

Moving the goalposts: $15 an
hour minimum wage now insufficient

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Las Vegas Review-Journal, by Editorial    Original Article
Posted By: earlybird- 1/14/2019 4:59:09 PM     Post Reply
The Fight for $15 isn’t living up to its promise. For years, liberals have claimed that the minimum wage needs to increase to $15 an hour to provide a living wage for full-time workers. The stated goal, as socialist Sen. Bernie Sanders writes on his website, is straightforward, “We must ensure that no full-time worker lives in poverty.” In one way, the campaign has been remarkably successful. California and New York are phasing in a statewide $15 an hour minimum wage. Numerous cities, including Seattle, Minneapolis and Washington D.C., have passed $15 an hour minimum wage

Snowpack In The West Has Resisted Climate
Change But That Won´t Last Forever

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KSOR Radio [Ashland, OR], by Erin Ross    Original Article
Posted By: NorthernDog- 1/15/2019 10:04:13 AM     Post Reply
For the last 35 years, the snowpack in the West’s mountains has resisted the impacts of global warming. But that could soon change, according to a new study out of Oregon State University. The study, published in the journal Geophysical Research Letters, found that although climate change should have caused a steep decrease in snowpack, naturally occurring, decades-long weather variations shielded the Cascades, Sierras and Rockies from some of the effects. Although snow stations have recorded some decline, it hasn’t been statistically significant. But according to the study, without this natural weather variation, snowpack in Oregon could have declined

Kirsten Gillibrand to Colbert:
‘I’m Going to Run’ in 2020

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Daily Beast, by Gideon Resnick    Original Article
Posted By: NorthernDog- 1/15/2019 8:07:40 PM     Post Reply
Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY) announced on Tuesday that she will form a 2020 presidential exploratory committee, a precursor to officially seeking the Democratic nomination. “I’m filing an exploratory committee for the president of the United States tonight," she said during a taped interview on The Late Show With Stephen Colbert. (Snip) Gillibrand mentioned health care, better public schools, taking on institutional racism, and "corruption and greed in Washington" as motivators and goals for her run, noting that her progressive goals cannot be accomplished without confronting those impediments. "I know that I have the compassion, courage, and the fearless determination


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