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Supermum Sue Radford is celebrating
the birth of her 21st baby and
says it ‘will be her last’
after 12-minute labour

The Sun (UK), by Kate Jackson

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Posted By:M2, 11/10/2018 8:29:53 AM

Sue, 43, welcomed Bonnie Raye into her king-sized clan after a 12-minute labour. Sue and Noel Radford with 19 of their children at their converted care home She said: “I thought I’d need more than gas and air but there wasn’t any time.” Her other kids were thrilled when she brought 8lb 4oz Bonnie back to the family’s ten-bedroom converted care home in Morecambe, Lancs. Sue said: “They were all fighting over the first cuddle. It’s such a lovely moment when you bring a newborn home and the others are all lined up ready to hold her.” Her baker husband Noel, 47, said: “I don’t


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Reply 1 - Posted by: voxpopuli, 11/10/2018 8:47:24 AM     (No. 11827166)

Neat story.. thanks!

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Sunhan65, 11/10/2018 8:57:44 AM     (No. 11827176)

You had to look for it, but it´s there:

FTA: "The couple, who support themselves with their bakery and claim only child benefit, had their first baby when Sue was just 14."

So, they´re supporting themselves, but not their children? Who´s supporting their children? I like kids. I even like other people´s kids. I don´t like paying for other people´s kids.

And because I like kids, I will point out the glaringly obvious. Raising a classroom instead of a family denies each of those children the kind of responsible care and attention an individual child would normally want. There are many forms of neglect. One of them is the narcissism that you are able to raise more children than you actually can. When this happens with cats, we call the SPCA.

I wish them well, but I also wish they´d shown better judgement.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: StormCnter, 11/10/2018 8:58:01 AM     (No. 11827177)

The family is apparently self-sufficient, so I´m super happy for them.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: Montwoodcliff, 11/10/2018 9:29:10 AM     (No. 11827211)

You got it No. 2. I didn’t want to be the Grinch on this. These parents are gaming the system. For each child at home, they receive £20.70 per weekfor the first child, and £13.70 per week for each child thereafter as long as the household income is £49999 /year max. So do the math. Of course, maybe they just like kids and like spending most of their lives changing nappies. I love babies as much as the next guy, but this is overdone. Sorry!

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Reply 5 - Posted by: M2, 11/10/2018 9:46:06 AM     (No. 11827224)

Somehow I cannot imagine that even gaming the system for $ is worth having 21 screaming, noisy children around.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: strike3, 11/10/2018 10:01:02 AM     (No. 11827233)

I find it disgusting, there is no good reason to bring that many children into the world. Who pays for college and medical treatment?

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Reply 7 - Posted by: Highlander, 11/10/2018 10:29:42 AM     (No. 11827257)

If the government pays for it, not a good thing.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: ginadee, 11/10/2018 12:03:12 PM     (No. 11827330)

I think it´s wonderful to bring new life into the world, but there is such a thing as overdoing it. Susie has overdone it.

Over and out before I say something I shouldn´t like "they need to find out what´s causing them."

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Reply 9 - Posted by: dvc, 11/10/2018 12:22:22 PM     (No. 11827353)

Slight effort keeping England English. Good for her.

Nobody complains when every Pakistani has 8 kids.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Chuzzles, 11/10/2018 12:31:06 PM     (No. 11827368)

Lets hope that at least one of these kids carries on the tradition of having kids themselves. the UK is quickly disappearing and to those who say the couple has over done the parenting routine, I say that some folks haven´t been paying attention.

Nobody complains when the muslims have buckets of kids and lives in government housing, so why complain about the self sufficient English culture trying to save itself?

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Reply 11 - Posted by: Penney, 11/10/2018 12:34:23 PM     (No. 11827373)

Looks like a wonderful, happy family. -Amazing!

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Reply 12 - Posted by: earlybird, 11/10/2018 12:46:00 PM     (No. 11827384)

The family is not self-sufficient. They state that they receive the UK’s “child benefit”.

Child benefit is a tax-free payment that is aimed at helping parents cope with the cost of bringing up children.
One parent can claim £20.50 a week for an eldest or only child and £13.55 a week for each of their other children.
The payments apply to all children aged under 16 and in some cases until they are 20 years old.

A relatively recent restriction:

In detail, the benefit received will be recouped gradually as the income of the highest earning parent rises above £50,000, with the child benefit being eroded completely once their income is £60,000 or more.

More here:


The UK pound is currently at US$1.297.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: subal, 11/10/2018 12:53:40 PM     (No. 11827392)

Well, if they quit humping .......!

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Reply 14 - Posted by: earlybird, 11/10/2018 12:59:10 PM     (No. 11827400)

Her first baby arrived when she was 14. I have difficulty believing that was because she wanted a bunch of kids and decided to start her family early...

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Reply 15 - Posted by: earlybird, 11/10/2018 1:01:50 PM     (No. 11827404)

(hit submit too soon)

Why did he have his vasectomy - performed after baby #9 - later reversed?

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Reply 16 - Posted by: dvc, 11/10/2018 1:04:45 PM     (No. 11827409)

I think it is great. Sorry, but I am a supporter of England for the English, and since most have decided to just die off without even replacement numbers, whenever I see native people reproducing well, I am pleased.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: msjena, 11/10/2018 1:25:40 PM     (No. 11827428)

Their oldest kids are adults. They aren’t caring for 21 children in their home.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: Jb3kids, 11/10/2018 1:26:47 PM     (No. 11827430)

Great story. Life is to be valued and cherished, period. In a loving, hard-working home, I honor the right to have 1 or 21!

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Reply 19 - Posted by: jlw509, 11/10/2018 2:34:53 PM     (No. 11827470)

I don´t really "get" why any of us would be in a position to say that x - number of children is "too many".

The kids are healthy and happy. The father is working and supporting the family. The mom is bubbling with joy. No trouble with the police or the neighbors or the bankruptcy court.

And the "child benefit" (which so many L-dotters seem to resent) isn´t really sponging the system any more than a per-child tax deduction is sponging the system.

So you think we should all give up our tax deductions?

This family is doing a great possible service for their nation: they are providing its future. God bless them, I say.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: Sunhan65, 11/10/2018 2:48:24 PM     (No. 11827477)

Sigh. There is a big difference. A tax deduction reduces the amount of tax they pay from the money they earn. A tax payment increases the amount of money I pay to them from the money I earn.

I thought I was pretty clear: I like kids. I would probably even like these kids. They sound like a grand bunch from the happy-go-lucky tone of the story. But there is no no serious attempt in this story to evaluate the impact of all this on the individual children.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: jlw509, 11/10/2018 4:39:40 PM     (No. 11827529)

Any country with a withered, wimpy fertility rate of less than 2.1 TFR (and the UK´s is way down in the hole at a suicidal 1.66) needs proactive, robust measures to increase natality if they´re going to survive at all.

$25 per week, and that´s tops, for each kid is not a bank-busting extravagance. That´s less than $4 a day, might not even be enough to pay for the bubble & squeek and the occasional syllabub.

Or maybe you think differently? Will there always be an England?


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Reply 22 - Posted by: BigGeorgeTX, 11/10/2018 5:43:47 PM     (No. 11827552)

At least the Duggers and the Bates here in the USA support their own families. I´m all for people having all the children they can afford to raise, just don´t expect me to pay for them. They must have a lousy bakery, if they earn less than the £49,999/year maximum to receive child benefits. I´m convinced they must also be getting a housing subsidy, because where are you going to find a house for 19 people based on that income?

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Reply 23 - Posted by: msjena, 11/10/2018 7:48:15 PM     (No. 11827640)

#20, there really is no difference from a deduction and a subsidy in terms of the effect on taxpayers. Both result in less tax that has to be made up by everyone else. Whether or not someone has an income is irrelevant unless they make enough to pay tax.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: ColonialAmerican1623, 11/10/2018 11:59:52 PM     (No. 11827779)

What is a "care home" ? A government provided home? Not sure when they have time to bake with a bun in the oven all the time.

Seems crazy for most of us, but if they are happy, I am happy for them.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: hoosierblue, 11/11/2018 6:27:56 AM     (No. 11827844)

As long as they support their children, it is none of my business. When I have to start supporting them, it´s time to stop.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: Sunhan65, 11/11/2018 10:44:25 AM     (No. 11828050)

#23, you are correct. These people are not tax payers; they are tax takers. If they are making less than £50,000 a year in order to qualify for the child tax payment, they are paying in at most £8000 a year in income tax and £4000 a year in social insurance taxes.

That doesn´t even begin to cover the cost of what they are taking out. In the UK, they don´t pay for their health care, but it still costs. The estimated cost of just delivering a baby is £1755, which does not include pre and postnatal care. Since they´re having roughly one baby per year, most of the money they pay in for "social insurance" is gone up front. Others pay for all their remaining health care costs.

Likewise, the £8000 they pay in income tax averages out to about £400 per head per year. There is no way that amount of money covers the true cost of the government services they are consuming for each individual in their house. Education, defense, social services--you name it, and someone else is paying for it on behalf of these folks.

As I said above, they are not net tax payers; they are net tax takers. So when you add child benefit payment on top of that, they are taking about £700 per child per year directly out of other people´s pockets.

Meanwhile, let´s say a rich type with 21 kids pays £5 million dollars in taxes. Even if he gets a child benefit payment of £700 per year for each one, he is still a net tax payer. He puts in substantially more than he takes out. In other words, it doesn´t come out of my pocket, and it´s none of my business how many kids he has.

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The Murder of the Weekly Standard
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Commentary, by John Podhoretz    Original Article
Posted By: chabis- 12/15/2018 8:32:04 AM     Post Reply
The Weekly Standard will be no more. There is no real reason we are witnessing the magazine’s demise other than deep pettiness and a personal desire for bureaucratic revenge on the part of a penny-ante Machiavellian who works for its parent company. There would at least be a larger meaning to the Standard’s end if it were being killed because it was hostile to Donald Trump. But I do not believe that is the case.
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