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Trump to move to allow
year-round E15 gas sales

Detroit News [MI], by Keith Laing

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Posted By:Ribicon, 10/9/2018 10:38:25 AM

Washington — The Trump administration is moving to allow the sale of gasoline containing 15 percent ethanol year-round, which would help farmers by increasing demand for corn, but faces opposition from environmental groups and the oil industry. President Donald Trump is expected to make the announcement ahead of a rally Tuesday in Iowa, the biggest corn-producing state in the nation. Current rules prevent the sale of fuel containing 15 percent ethanol, known as E15, during the summer because it can contribute to smog on hot days. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency cleared the use of E15 fuel for cars

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According to the article, forcing us to buy smog-producing, engine-destroying ethanol gives us freedom of choice. No word on mandating availability of ethanol-free fuels, which cost more (because unsubsidized) and can be difficult to find.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Bur Oak, 10/9/2018 10:44:21 AM     (No. 11790636)

Wasting fuel and taxpayer´s money to support corn farmers. Looks like a payoff to Grassley to me.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Pearson365, 10/9/2018 10:46:08 AM     (No. 11790640)

President determined to prove that he is a politician after all, which is not good for free markets, economic growth, our wallets and most of all, common sense.

As Hotair notes, it’s not worth 15 seconds of applause from Iowa Republicans for this dumb decision.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Catherine, 10/9/2018 11:00:27 AM     (No. 11790672)

Ethanol destroys engines. There are mechanics who refuse to work on cars that use it. This is a bad idea.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: Ruler of the Elves, 10/9/2018 11:04:46 AM     (No. 11790676)

It is going to make lousy gasoline. It is also more pollution from the alcohol.
AND, I am in the oil business not the corn business.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Leftcoast, 10/9/2018 11:05:33 AM     (No. 11790677)

The ethanol mixed fuel doesn´t store well either. Here in California it´s hard to find a gas station that sells non-ethanol mixed gas.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Twinkle93, 10/9/2018 11:07:21 AM     (No. 11790681)

The Iowa caucuses cost us billions and billions of dollars in supsidies for ethanol and wind turbines. Both of which have no proven benefits.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: AlpineLace, 10/9/2018 11:17:05 AM     (No. 11790705)

NO NO NO -
I need the address of some corn to ethanol producers to send all the bills for repairs to small engines since this disaster started.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: mc squared, 10/9/2018 11:34:12 AM     (No. 11790727)

VERY bad decision. Watch the price of non-ethanol gas skyrocket (already more expensive when you can find it) if E-15 becomes the only alternative. Most cars have a warning on the gas filler not to use E-15.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Rumblehog, 10/9/2018 11:41:29 AM     (No. 11790736)

That is very very wrong. Farmers need to produce food, not fuel.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: wendybird, 10/9/2018 12:07:46 PM     (No. 11790769)

So far. President Trump has made decisions based on fact, not fancy. Hopefully he will make this one based on factual evidence that using corn to make ethanol to destroy our large and small gasoline engines based on fact. A political excuse doesn’t cut it.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: Hazymac, 10/9/2018 12:22:32 PM     (No. 11790788)

Sen. Inhofe and nineteen other senators from both parties wrote a letter to President Trump last week warning against this regulation that amounts to corporate welfare for corn farmers and ethanol distillers.

https://www.inhofe.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/inhofe-senators-urge-against-year-round-e-15

Energy poor E-15 fuel will void numerous manufacturers´ engine warranties. This is a really, really stupid move by Trump, proving that after all, he´s just a politician. I´m very disappointed in him for this. He whored out to the corn lobby. Can he change his mind?

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Reply 12 - Posted by: seamusm, 10/9/2018 12:23:52 PM     (No. 11790789)

It makes me sick to see this misuse of food for fuel which started as liberal environmental idiocy and now remains supported by erstwhile conservatives who conveniently ignore its being another government handout program.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: lakerman1, 10/9/2018 12:31:00 PM     (No. 11790807)

I would favor giving farmers some sort of bonus payment to not sell their corn to ethanol distillers.
In the late 1940s, my parents had a dairy farm, grew potatoes as a side money maker.
The department of Agriculture would come in, and with 60 pound bags of potatoes lined up, pour a liquid bright green dye onto each bag of potatoes. Ag would then buy each bag of potatoes for $1.50 per bag, and sell the dyed bags of potatoes back to us for 10 cents a bag.
(The dyed potatoes were to be used to feed pigs, and could not be sold.)
We would regrade the potatoes, removing the dyed ones, selling the remainder. (the dye only reached about 10 to 15 percent of the potatoes in each bag.)
Any payments on corn/ethanol should be better designed than those potato crop support mechanisms.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: Thos Weatherby, 10/9/2018 12:41:28 PM     (No. 11790826)

To me, there´s something immoral about using a food product for gasoline. It also takes almost 600k gallons of water to produce 130 bushels of corn. We need to wean ourselves off of ethanol.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: JediJerry, 10/9/2018 1:05:33 PM     (No. 11790879)

I can expect to see a dozen tortillas costing $3.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: geoman, 10/9/2018 1:47:51 PM     (No. 11790913)

Ethanol is bad on Diesel engines but especially bad for small single-cylinder gas engines used in outdoor equipment.

If the U S must pay corn farmers monies above the market value for the product, I´d rather the corn farmers get direct subsidy payments from the Treasury than for US policy to perpetuate the ethanol-as-fuel scam. 10 percent ethanol is bad enough; 15 percent is even more destructive to combustion engine hardware and is nothing more than dollars-for-votes, with significant hidden dollars wasted on early repair and replacement.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: jimjr, 10/9/2018 2:16:05 PM     (No. 11790931)

E15 will void the warranty on every piece of gasoline-powered equipment I have. And shortly thereafter wreck them.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: grampus, 10/9/2018 2:45:50 PM     (No. 11790951)

I agree with above posters, especially 7, 16, and 17. I´m retired, with lots of amall-engine "stuff" as well as an ancient truck, all of which E15 will destroy. All of this stuff is necessary for the maintenance and upkeep of my property. At present, by driving about twenty miles and paying considerable more, I´m able to get ethanol free gas. Remember, for years farmers were paid to limit their tobacco production. Made sense. Why not the same with farmers whose livelihood depends on their corn crop?

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Reply 19 - Posted by: Ribald1, 10/9/2018 3:43:35 PM     (No. 11790985)

Time to wean farmers off welfare.
They will squeal like piglets pulled from the teat, but they will end up much better off for it.
This particular action is especially noxious as it forces all of us to purchase a product we don´t like and don´t want. Better to skip all the intermediary steps, just take money from us at gunpoint and hand it to the farmers without the waste of growing all that corn.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: mathman, 10/9/2018 4:09:22 PM     (No. 11791010)

VERY BAD idea. Payoff to corn state legislators. Votes for sale.
E15 is worse for two-cycle engines than E10. And E15 is wasteful, since diesel must be imported to grow the corn and then process it. And E10 is bad for the environment: soybean crops in the US have been replaced by corn; corn is now grown in Brazil and Argentina; these crops require clear-cutting of Rain Forests; the Rain Forests do not grow back and have no topsoil; this changes climate around the world.
Just abolish the whole Ethanol boondoggle. Gas is gas. Ethanol has a place only in race cars.
And booze.


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Reply 21 - Posted by: JansGraphix, 10/9/2018 6:01:00 PM     (No. 11791096)

Most of Trumps decisions have made America GREAT. But this decision is straight from liberal hell. What a shame and a sham.

And we are supposed to be the largest supplier of oil in the world now? How in the world does this kind of dingbat thinking enter the equation?

Does he not care how this destroys engines? How does he think that will effect many of us who are not rich like him? HMMMM???? This is blind demonrat crazy.

I thought he was about reducing damaging regulations, not increasing them.



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Reply 22 - Posted by: laotzu, 10/9/2018 8:31:10 PM     (No. 11791227)

I think it´s pure genius. I actually heard on the radio for the first time ever today -- ethanol is bad for the atmosphere. The only reason it was said, was because PT removed Summer sales restrictions. Now the Left is stuck arguing that we should subsidize something that they´ve also argued is bad for the environment. Genius.

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