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Fact Check: Trump is Right About
Puerto Rico, Critics Manipulating
Hurricane Maria Death ‘Estimates’

Breitbart Big Government, by Joel B. Pollak

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Posted By:earlybird, 9/14/2018 10:26:19 AM

Democrats and the media have been pounding President Donald Trump over the past few days, as Hurricane Florence nears the Carolinas, over his alleged insensitivity to deaths in Puerto Rico last year from Hurricane Maria. On Thursday morning, President Trump pushed back on Twitter, alleging that Democrats had inflated the death toll “in order to make me look as bad as possible.” That led to more criticism, with the Associated Press accusing Trump of making claims “without evidence.” But Trump is correct.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: earlybird, 9/14/2018 10:28:20 AM     (No. 11758010)

Context can be everything. In this case, when one knew the context in which President Trump was given his numbers - he asked a Puerto Rican official for information and they responded - what happened afterward is pretty transparent.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: bighambone, 9/14/2018 11:25:45 AM     (No. 11758122)

Well look at the yearly death rate for the primitive island of Puerto Rico which is probably about 8-9 persons per thousand out of a total population of 3.5 or so million people. If that is so, Puerto Rico can naturally expect about 3,000 or more deaths to occur among the population of Puerto Rico each year in any event.

President Trump and his Democrat foes are talking two different numbers. Trump said that when he was in Puerto Rico right after the hurricane hit the island that the Puerto Rico government reported to him that there had been 8-16 deaths during the hurricane. The Democrats are now saying that well over 2,000 people died on Puerto Rico during a six to twelve month period following the hurricane and attribute that to Trump running an incompetent federal response to the hurricane. Trump says that the Democrat claims are false and are totally political in fact.

Following the hurricane it was the responsibility of the government of Puerto Rico to care for the population there, and if they needed help in doing that they should have requested further assistance from the federal government. What assistance did the Puerto Rico government ask the Trump Administration to provide them that was denied? The Democrats have not provided those facts. So whose to say that the vast majority of the deaths reported for a year after the hurricane were to be expected as they were within or near the normal yearly death rate on Puerto Riuco.

It is not Trump who has politicized the weather, it is the Democrats.


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Reply 3 - Posted by: thomthomp, 9/14/2018 11:39:32 AM     (No. 11758138)

Is anyone keeping a list of the times the media has had to publish some version of "Trump was right" plus the times when they should have published it but didn´t?

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Reply 4 - Posted by: M2, 9/14/2018 11:40:02 AM     (No. 11758139)

KSFO was discussing this early AM; the 3000 figure was a computer-generated model including the deaths several months after the hurricane hit. When Snopes was consulted, it completely and deliberately misled viewers about Trump´s comments.

Where do you go to fact-check any more? Almost all these checkers are biased.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: dvc, 9/14/2018 12:02:49 PM     (No. 11758180)

Computer models....yep. Unscrupulous folks can make them do whatever they want. Garbage in, garbage out.

I want NAMES OF REAL PEOPLE and proof that they are dead - like a grave marker, or a death certificate.

Otherwise, it is all a politically inspired lie.

Once again, the Enemedia goes into hysterics when Trump pushes back and Trump is proven to be right, they are proven to be pumping Fake News.

And then it is "Trump attacking the media".

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Reply 6 - Posted by: TXknitter, 9/14/2018 12:13:03 PM     (No. 11758193)

What say you Speaker Paul Ryan ? I would say that Ron DeSantos best do some fast apologies too. The Republicans quoted bending over to the Puerto Rican voters in Florida made them look just like Democrats. As Lou Dobbs and Ed Rollins said last night, DeSantos owes his very existence on the ballot to President Trump and him alone. Ryan is beyond despicable. Trump was right about those inflated death numbers. The TRUTH matters.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: bighambone, 9/14/2018 12:25:20 PM     (No. 11758219)

Why should Republican candidates for office in Florida or anywhere else get sucked into taking controversial positions of this liberal Democrat and liberal media created phony baloney politicized issue?

President Trump is a big boy who can take care of himself.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: earlybird, 9/14/2018 12:26:11 PM     (No. 11758221)

Computer models too often suffer from the SISO Syndrome. In polite society, that is Garbage In, Garbage Out. They can be modeled by whoever is doing them.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: TXknitter, 9/14/2018 12:38:35 PM     (No. 11758238)

I agree #7, and this is why Congresswoman Ros-Lehtinen, Paul Ryan and especially Ron DeSantos were such idiots to jump in and self-righteously agree with all the media-Democrat outrage. They jumped in to help attack the President.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: joew9, 9/14/2018 2:26:07 PM     (No. 11758376)

Some tedious math. (simply because I love tedious math.)
Population of PR is 3.4 million people.
Assume average lifespan of P.Ricans is 80 years. (That´s what Google says but seems high.)
Average means 80 is the half way point so half are dead by age 80.
In order for half of the 3.4 million to die by age 80 you must have 21k people die each year. (3.4 million/2/80 = 21k)

And in fact it has to be more than that because even though 80 is the average for the next 10 years after 80 most of the rest die in far less than 80 additional years. In other words most are dead by 90.

So redoing the math:
Let´s say all 3.4 million die by 90.
(Which is pretty close to reality)
3.4 / 90 = 38k people die per year.

My point is the claim that 3k died from the hurricane is a very small portion of how many must normally die each year anyway. So how do they determine how many died from the hurricane by examining the death records? Did they also examine the coroners report for each person? I doubt that. I doubt that those reports even exist. How do you distinguish normal deaths from Hurricane deaths?
The best way is the police reports about people who were found dead due to the activities of the hurricane. And that´s the number that Trump uses. And it´s the only one that makes sense.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: dvc, 9/14/2018 7:43:03 PM     (No. 11758684)

Good job, #10.

Write it up in Fortran or Basic and it is a far better computer model than the ones they are quoting.

And, for the period of the storm, let´s be really generous and call it 36 hours, 1.5 days.

38,000 per year works out to 104 per day. 1.5 days is a normal death rate of 156 over a day and a half.br>
They added in all the deaths for a couple of months. Total malfeasance and misfeasance.

Disinformation, pure and simple.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: MissMann, 9/14/2018 7:45:14 PM     (No. 11758686)

First of all, why are hurricane deaths a president´s fault????

Secondly, if there are ~3000 deaths, let´s see the death certificates.



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Reply 13 - Posted by: NYbob, 9/15/2018 1:18:30 AM     (No. 11758862)

Someone tell the creepy, snarky, Seth Meyers. Meyers huffed and puffed at President Trump that the numbers circulated by the media were true, because they were the ´Official´ numbers. So there. What a tiny weasel Meyers is.

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