The country’s voting machines are susceptible to hacking, which could be done in a way so that it leaves no fingerprints, making it impossible to know whether the outcome was changed, computer experts told President Trump’s voter integrity commission Tuesday. The testimony marked a departure for the commission, which was formed to look into fraud and barriers to voting, but which heard that a potentially greater threat to confidence in American elections is the chance for enemy actors to meddle. “There’s no perfect security; there’s only degrees of insecurity,” said Ronald Rivest, a professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.
Sorry, I don´t believe these "experts". Just because there could be a way that a machine could be compromised doesn´t mean that it would be easy to do or possible to do on a broad scale.
For example, the comment that "Maybe the Wi-Fi was turned on" would require that a machine would have to be configured incorrectly, that someone could find THAT machine out of thousands in the country, that such wifi access could be used to make vote count changes, and make changes that wouldn´t be a dead giveaway like adding 3000 votes to a candidate in a precinct that only has 1500 people.
This is like saying that a careless banker "might" leave the door of the bank unlocked. A thief would need to know that bank was unlocked. Then someone would also need to leave the vault unlocked as well. Sure, it "could" happen. And I could win Powerball too.
Tech experts love to flap their gums and show off. Then they can make a case to sell better security to a worried public. How hard is it to create a voting machine with NO Wi-Fi. To program it at setup, a hardwired ethernet connection would be required and it would be pretty difficult to "accidently" leave that connected while the machine was counting votes on election day. Only a moron would do it. Or simply make it IMPOSSIBLE for the network function to be on when the machine is in operation counting votes. Electronically shut off power to any ethernet connection when tallying votes.
"Sir, please just answer the question. If the voting machines are hacked in such a manner that the hacking could not be detected, is it possible to hack a voting machine in such a manner that it can´t be detected? Yes or no."
Having been an election commissioner for over 13 years I feel compelled to comment. My state has 75 Counties. Each County selects ballot position by lot. With 7 Presidential candidates this past election that means there could be X number( please help with the parmutations & comutations) of different sequences of candidates that would have to be hacked on an electronic voting machine that is not connected to the internet. The results are printed out on paper at each of my 20 polling sites. This data is transferred to a computer that has never been connected to the internet, the data is coallated and then transmitted to the State (ah the weak link). When they publish that data on the internet we compare it to the paper trail we have. Any discrepancy would be immediately discovered
It is very apparent now the New Hampshire vote was stolen for Hillary by Democrats using fraudulent means. If investigated it will be revealed that most of the fraudulent voters were various public service employees from Massachusetts.
This isn´t a surprise. Just make the software so that it flips a certain percentage of votes as they are entered. The actual vote count would match the number of people that voted. If the voting machine is connected to the internet, It could download good software and replace the hacked software afterward and vice versa. Maybe it could be done in such a way that the voting machine wouldn´t even need to be rebooted. It would be like any software that is expected to be up and running 24x7x365.
We all here know that the real issue with election validity isn´t hacking, Russian or otherwise, but the untold number of people voting illegally or in multiple locations. And we also know which party fights against any reasonable laws (voter ID) aimed to curtail those shenanigans.
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god of irony, 9/13/2017 7:48:53 AM (No. 11381833)
#4 if you wifi can´t be turned on remotely from another device you are naïve. I´ve seen Ford´s MySync access my wife´s smartphone and start playing music even though she had wifi and Bluetooth turned off. We then searched the internet and yes that is a thing that happens.
In my county (I´m an election judge) we use optical scan machines almost exclusively; paper ballots with results recorded on to a chip in the machine. After every election our county clerk takes at least one set of ballots and does a match up with the machine to make sure it is operating properly. All voted ballots are in sealed bags stored for a certain length of time in case of a recount. The only way to cheat requires shenanigans by the humans involved. No shenanigans at my polling place
Nothing can be tampered with without leaving a trace. If something is changed, sooner or later, someone is going to notice. It´s like stealing furniture. Maybe an item or two goes missing and is not noticed at first, then a room full is gone, and someone is compelled to the conclusion that someone is stealing the furniture.
We need to go back to the punch cards. Simple, auditable, and with completely known error rates. The ballots can be re-run to increase the accuracy (run them through again to get -6dB less noise, thrice (4 total counts) for -12dB noise, 8 total for -18dB, limited by the durability of the cards).
But Democrats are too *stupid* to operate them. They´re too dumb to poke a hole in paper. That was the excuse in Florida 2000, and it´s why the whole country has these iffy machines that nobody can be certain about. Idiot Democrats will be the end of this nation.
More seriously, any all-electronic system sans a paper trail has the potential of being hacked without a trace. Electrons are ephemeral by nature. Fortunately, most voting machine manufacturers offer a paper trail option - at additional cost. As an election judge, I know that is the case with the machines in my precinct. Local election commissioners need to be convinced to spend the extra money.
For the geeks among us: cyclic redundancy check (CRC) would also "harden" the count, as opposed to simple checksums as used in my area.
But without a National ID, that only addresses the tip of the iceberg.
Even with our best efforts, Democrats in particular will find a way to cheat. Just check the Chicago river after any election.
Just get the DNC to select any Muhammad M. Muhammad found at random on any dirt trail in Pakistan, give him and his family clique a blank check and every password to the country and what could go wrong?
Those womyn in the comfortable shooz are soooo smart.
It´s been widely known, for years, in IT that electronic voting machines are absolutely (and demonstrated) insecure. Anyone with in the chain of custody of the machines can load the the election hack, which can hide itself before and remove all traces of itself after the election.
Elections must be done with voter marked paper ballots. Machine readable, sure - but hand-marked. But the entire election process needs to be secured. There are ways to ensure the security of the process without violating the sanctity of the voting booth. And why are the votes counted behind closed doors, removed from the public? Shouldn´t be that way. (And yes, I have spent some time thinking about this topic.)
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