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Stunning testimony: Voting machines can
be hacked without a trace of evidence

Washington Times, by Stephen Dinan

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Posted By:JoniTx, 9/12/2017 10:37:06 PM

The country’s voting machines are susceptible to hacking, which could be done in a way so that it leaves no fingerprints, making it impossible to know whether the outcome was changed, computer experts told President Trump’s voter integrity commission Tuesday. The testimony marked a departure for the commission, which was formed to look into fraud and barriers to voting, but which heard that a potentially greater threat to confidence in American elections is the chance for enemy actors to meddle. “There’s no perfect security; there’s only degrees of insecurity,” said Ronald Rivest, a professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Justavoter, 9/12/2017 10:41:09 PM     (No. 11381570)

I do not trust these electronic voting machines. The electronic galley is ok but there needs to be paper vote validation for auditing purposes.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: provide, 9/12/2017 11:03:27 PM     (No. 11381583)

This will be in Hillary´s 2nd edition.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: plex, 9/12/2017 11:19:59 PM     (No. 11381596)

If it ain´t connected to the internet, it can´t be hacked unless you allow someone with a computer to come into the polling place and connect cables to your voting machine.

I believe that I have read that voting machines are not internet connected during voting.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: jeffkinnh, 9/12/2017 11:28:02 PM     (No. 11381607)

Sorry, I don´t believe these "experts". Just because there could be a way that a machine could be compromised doesn´t mean that it would be easy to do or possible to do on a broad scale.

For example, the comment that "Maybe the Wi-Fi was turned on" would require that a machine would have to be configured incorrectly, that someone could find THAT machine out of thousands in the country, that such wifi access could be used to make vote count changes, and make changes that wouldn´t be a dead giveaway like adding 3000 votes to a candidate in a precinct that only has 1500 people.

This is like saying that a careless banker "might" leave the door of the bank unlocked. A thief would need to know that bank was unlocked. Then someone would also need to leave the vault unlocked as well. Sure, it "could" happen. And I could win Powerball too.

Tech experts love to flap their gums and show off. Then they can make a case to sell better security to a worried public. How hard is it to create a voting machine with NO Wi-Fi. To program it at setup, a hardwired ethernet connection would be required and it would be pretty difficult to "accidently" leave that connected while the machine was counting votes on election day. Only a moron would do it. Or simply make it IMPOSSIBLE for the network function to be on when the machine is in operation counting votes. Electronically shut off power to any ethernet connection when tallying votes.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Northcross, 9/12/2017 11:32:49 PM     (No. 11381612)

Perhaps true, but unless done very cleverly, the voting pattern should make the fraud obvious.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Quigley, 9/12/2017 11:40:28 PM     (No. 11381625)

"Sir, please just answer the question. If the voting machines are hacked in such a manner that the hacking could not be detected, is it possible to hack a voting machine in such a manner that it can´t be detected? Yes or no."

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Reply 7 - Posted by: Nimby, 9/12/2017 11:43:35 PM     (No. 11381627)

Chads!! LOL!!

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Soldiers Father, 9/13/2017 12:19:01 AM     (No. 11381643)

Having been an election commissioner for over 13 years I feel compelled to comment.
My state has 75 Counties. Each County selects ballot position by lot. With 7 Presidential candidates this past election that means there could be X number( please help with the parmutations & comutations) of different sequences of candidates that would have to be hacked on an electronic voting machine that is not connected to the internet. The results are printed out on paper at each of my 20 polling sites. This data is transferred to a computer that has never been connected to the internet, the data is coallated and then transmitted to the State (ah the weak link). When they publish that data on the internet we compare it to the paper trail we have. Any discrepancy would be immediately discovered

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Crosscut, 9/13/2017 5:49:25 AM     (No. 11381736)

It is very apparent now the New Hampshire vote was stolen for Hillary by Democrats using fraudulent means. If investigated it will be revealed that most of the fraudulent voters were various public service employees from Massachusetts.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: franq, 9/13/2017 6:01:17 AM     (No. 11381740)

Fake news. Just trying to keep the Russia meme going.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: hoosierblue, 9/13/2017 6:31:13 AM     (No. 11381762)

Computer security can be hacked or the software manufactures can write the programs to be bias. We need to go back to paper ballets. I can wait a day or so longer to find out the results.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: LC Chihuahua, 9/13/2017 7:13:43 AM     (No. 11381784)

This isn´t a surprise. Just make the software so that it flips a certain percentage of votes as they are entered. The actual vote count would match the number of people that voted. If the voting machine is connected to the internet, It could download good software and replace the hacked software afterward and vice versa. Maybe it could be done in such a way that the voting machine wouldn´t even need to be rebooted. It would be like any software that is expected to be up and running 24x7x365.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: rolfnader, 9/13/2017 7:18:05 AM     (No. 11381786)

Is there a taboo against using paper ballots. Is it just too old fashioned? Just not cool? or not hip?


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Reply 14 - Posted by: bigfatslob, 9/13/2017 7:32:16 AM     (No. 11381806)

Gone are the days and remembrance of the ´hanging chad´. How I do miss thee.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: TexasRose, 9/13/2017 7:43:42 AM     (No. 11381822)

#11, Michigan had paper ballots. After being marked by the voter, they are run through a machine that counts them. You don´t have to wait any time at all!

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Reply 16 - Posted by: Mr. Know-It-All, 9/13/2017 7:44:31 AM     (No. 11381826)

You got it #10.

We all here know that the real issue with election validity isn´t hacking, Russian or otherwise, but the untold number of people voting illegally or in multiple locations. And we also know which party fights against any reasonable laws (voter ID) aimed to curtail those shenanigans.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: god of irony, 9/13/2017 7:48:53 AM     (No. 11381833)

#4 if you wifi can´t be turned on remotely from another device you are naïve. I´ve seen Ford´s MySync access my wife´s smartphone and start playing music even though she had wifi and Bluetooth turned off. We then searched the internet and yes that is a thing that happens.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: MoBeef4u, 9/13/2017 7:57:45 AM     (No. 11381844)

In my county (I´m an election judge) we use optical scan machines almost exclusively; paper ballots with results recorded on to a chip in the machine. After every election our county clerk takes at least one set of ballots and does a match up with the machine to make sure it is operating properly. All voted ballots are in sealed bags stored for a certain length of time in case of a recount. The only way to cheat requires shenanigans by the humans involved. No shenanigans at my polling place

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Reply 19 - Posted by: varkdriver, 9/13/2017 8:09:04 AM     (No. 11381851)

#8 and #18:

Same here in Virginia. Neither the pollbook computers, where we check in the voters and record them having voted, nor the electronic ballot scanning machines are connected to the internet.

We do not use any electronic touch-screen voting machines. Our entire process has a paper trail that can be recounted/audited.

I´m not sure what type of machines the article references, but not the case here.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: cobieone, 9/13/2017 8:55:32 AM     (No. 11381909)

#10 and 16... AMEN! Illegal voting is the real election fraud issue, without question! And you can bet your life 90% of all illegal voting benefits the Democrats.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: mc squared, 9/13/2017 9:46:28 AM     (No. 11381980)

FTA: ´Maybe the Wi-Fi was turned on when it shouldn’t have been.’

Why would voting machines have WiFi? Doesn´t seem likely. If they did and it was off, how would you connect to it to turn it on?

Some new cars have internet capability, but cars and smart phones communicate with Bluetooth.

The whole premise is questionable. If hacked machines can´t be detected, how can we tell if it´s possible?



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Reply 22 - Posted by: stablemoney, 9/13/2017 9:52:01 AM     (No. 11381990)

Nothing can be tampered with without leaving a trace. If something is changed, sooner or later, someone is going to notice. It´s like stealing furniture. Maybe an item or two goes missing and is not noticed at first, then a room full is gone, and someone is compelled to the conclusion that someone is stealing the furniture.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: toddh, 9/13/2017 10:33:32 AM     (No. 11382066)

We need to go back to the punch cards. Simple, auditable, and with completely known error rates. The ballots can be re-run to increase the accuracy (run them through again to get -6dB less noise, thrice (4 total counts) for -12dB noise, 8 total for -18dB, limited by the durability of the cards).

But Democrats are too *stupid* to operate them. They´re too dumb to poke a hole in paper. That was the excuse in Florida 2000, and it´s why the whole country has these iffy machines that nobody can be certain about. Idiot Democrats will be the end of this nation.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: dman, 9/13/2017 10:53:10 AM     (No. 11382076)

RE #23: "Morticia, you spoke Decibels!"

More seriously, any all-electronic system sans a paper trail has the potential of being hacked without a trace. Electrons are ephemeral by nature. Fortunately, most voting machine manufacturers offer a paper trail option - at additional cost. As an election judge, I know that is the case with the machines in my precinct. Local election commissioners need to be convinced to spend the extra money.

For the geeks among us: cyclic redundancy check (CRC) would also "harden" the count, as opposed to simple checksums as used in my area.

But without a National ID, that only addresses the tip of the iceberg.

Even with our best efforts, Democrats in particular will find a way to cheat. Just check the Chicago river after any election.

When all else fails: purple dye. /s

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Reply 25 - Posted by: dman, 9/13/2017 11:06:31 AM     (No. 11382093)

(Without a paper or other nonvolatile physical trail, to be more exact. That might include magnetic or silicon write once (EPROM, notEEPROM) media, with protection against alteration after the fact.)

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Reply 26 - Posted by: harper, 9/13/2017 12:08:26 PM     (No. 11382160)

Just get the DNC to select any Muhammad M. Muhammad found at random on any dirt trail in Pakistan, give him and his family clique a blank check and every password to the country and what could go wrong?

Those womyn in the comfortable shooz are soooo smart.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: Clipped wings, 9/13/2017 1:46:42 PM     (No. 11382258)

Picture I.D. , ink on finger, paper ballots! Secure.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: JimBob, 9/13/2017 2:00:50 PM     (No. 11382282)

If you want to read up on this, may I suggest ´blackboxvoting.org´.

IF....IF....IF what the ´blackboxvoting´ people are saying is correct, the computer system, at least the ones they are discussing, were DESIGNED to be MANIPULATED.

I agree with them that if the vote count allows DECIMALS.... not just Integer numbers, that is an ´indicator´ that things are not on the up-and-up.

My thought is that the system should be VISIBLE, with HARD COPIES, and COMPLETELY OPEN TO OBSERVATION BY ALL, AT ALL TIMES.



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Reply 29 - Posted by: jimjr, 9/13/2017 2:12:51 PM     (No. 11382306)

It´s been widely known, for years, in IT that electronic voting machines are absolutely (and demonstrated) insecure. Anyone with in the chain of custody of the machines can load the the election hack, which can hide itself before and remove all traces of itself after the election.

Elections must be done with voter marked paper ballots. Machine readable, sure - but hand-marked. But the entire election process needs to be secured. There are ways to ensure the security of the process without violating the sanctity of the voting booth. And why are the votes counted behind closed doors, removed from the public? Shouldn´t be that way. (And yes, I have spent some time thinking about this topic.)

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