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The rise of the fourth
branch of government

Washington Post, by Jonathan Turley

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Posted By:starbaby, 5/25/2013 10:28:39 AM

There were times this past week when it seemed like the 19th-century Know-Nothing Party had returned to Washington. President Obama insisted he knew nothing about major decisions in the State Department, or the Justice Department, or the Internal Revenue Service. The heads of those agencies, in turn, insisted they knew nothing about major decisions by their subordinates. It was as if the government functioned by some hidden hand. Clearly, there was a degree of willful blindness in these claims. However, the suggestion that someone, even the president, is in control of today’s government may be an illusion.


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Reply 1 - Posted by: CleanhouseinDc, 5/25/2013 10:57:03 AM     (No. 9345032)

A real executive would be in charge.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: TrikiTriki, 5/25/2013 10:59:42 AM     (No. 9345039)

A very profound sounding essay that is, unfortunately, based on a faulty assumption: "the exponential growth of the federal bureaucracy from 2.5 million in 1962 to 2.8 million now".
That is not even a bleep compared to the population growth in those same 50 years.

My opinion: another crypto democrat elitist trying to justify, or minimize, the incompetence of president Obama.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Blue-Z-Anna, 5/25/2013 11:06:36 AM     (No. 9345049)

FTA- - - - --

In 1962, there were 2,515,000 federal employees. Today, we have 2,840,000 federal workers in 15 departments, 69 agencies and 383 nonmilitary sub-agencies.

This exponential growth has led to increasing power and independence for agencies.


While I agree with his thesis this opening statistic does not meet the definition of exponential growth.

He should have dug up the numbers on ´cost per worker´.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: stablemoney, 5/25/2013 11:06:37 AM     (No. 9345050)

The people in charge certainly do pay themselves heavy salaries and benefits, all justified by all the work they do. Then claim to know nothing about the job.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: sparky joe, 5/25/2013 11:13:35 AM     (No. 9345059)

#2 - Correct Conclusion - this Turley guy did the same thing during the Clinton Scandal

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Reply 6 - Posted by: littleorby, 5/25/2013 11:15:05 AM     (No. 9345060)

Remember the experiment of placing a frog in water, then marvel at the frog´s obliviousness to whats happening to it, as heat is applied to the water until it reaches its boiling point?

Humans are very much the same way. If change is applied slowly, MOST are unaware of what´s happening: though the smarter among us tried, in vain, to warn us.

Now, we, like the frog, are cooked.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: ROLFnader, 5/25/2013 11:33:20 AM     (No. 9345077)

Hang down your head , Jon Turdly. It was a gallant effort, though.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Nimby, 5/25/2013 11:44:06 AM     (No. 9345092)

Need anymore proof about the Government being the problem? Is there no shrink wrap in DC?

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Reply 9 - Posted by: chicodon, 5/25/2013 11:48:29 AM     (No. 9345099)

It´s called dereliction of duty. That in itself is an impeachable offense. The president can be impeached for committing "high crimes and misdemeanors". It is up to the House of Representatives to decide whether the behavior of the President warrants impeachment. Breaking the law, dereliction of duty, impeding lawful Congressional investigation, contempt of Congress, lying under oath, even moral turpitude might start impeachment procedures rolling. So let´s roll.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: johngalt1, 5/25/2013 1:15:50 PM     (No. 9345180)

These is no doubt that the timing of this article is intended to defuse the mounting criticism of Obama by blaming multiple scandals on “thousands of unnamed, unreachable [career] bureaucrats.” Every president must be held accountable for the actions of Executive Branch employees, including Cabinet departments and Cabinet-level agencies and offices.

Nevertheless, we should not dismiss the very real threat that the growth in power and autonomy of sprawling government agencies pose to our republic. Our carefully constructed system of checks and balances must remain relevant and effective at all times if we are to remain a nation of the people, for the people and by the people.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: Alice, 5/25/2013 1:40:43 PM     (No. 9345203)

Excuse my yelling please, but READ THE ESSAY before condemning its author!

Its main point is the ENORMITY OF RAW POWER wielded over our lives, that power granted to the federal bureaucracy by Congress and usually upheld by federal judges even when Congress objects.

Why the census of federal employees led this important essay is a mystery to me, but it is somewhat relevant, in my opinion, due to the voting block almost 3 million feds represent.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Nevadadad46, 5/25/2013 2:14:48 PM     (No. 9345233)

That is why we appoint Secretaries to oversee these critical brances of our government. But, alas, when the Secretary "recuses" himself or decides to go "Rogue" and then falls back on 5th ammendment protections and crawls under the protection of one political party in charge and has a luridly corrupt and blind media to alert the public and raise the alarm of malfeaseance, then it all goes off the rails!

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Reply 13 - Posted by: AntiStatist, 5/25/2013 2:39:13 PM     (No. 9345254)

Only Republican presidents are held to account for every aspect of government. Democratic presidents are mere mere observers with no influence as Leviathan swallows the country.

Nice try, Turley, but Leviathan is a creation of the Democrat Party; a Dr. Frankenstein to the monster.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: Brittany, 5/25/2013 2:47:53 PM     (No. 9345262)

It is the admin that has grown more powerful and the neglect of the Congress to pass short laws and spell out the details instead of giving leeway to the bureaucrats. Don´t forget all those czars with no consent by Congress either.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: Hotrod, 5/25/2013 3:16:04 PM     (No. 9345287)

The government crisis we are in was caused by corrupt, as well as lazy politicians- in both the Congress and the administration- over several decades.

Corrupt politicians took large aamounts of money from special interest groups, such as environmentalists, anti-capitalists, anti-gun, gay rights groups and others. Their lobbyists were well funded and vocal, and they gained the support of a partisan media. The anti-war movement, beginning in the ´60s, provided a leg up for those groups (including the media.)

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Reply 16 - Posted by: Charactercounts, 5/26/2013 12:42:13 AM     (No. 9345724)

Mentioned in the article is Justice Roberts´ decision in Arlington vs. FCC last week, warning about the growing bureaucracy, with its thousands of pages of regulations, and he cited Obamacare as an example.

Talk about chutzpah.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: Charactercounts, 5/26/2013 12:43:26 AM     (No. 9345725)

I should have said Justice Roberts´ dissenting opinion in Arlington vs. FCC.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: Lalo, 5/26/2013 1:02:36 AM     (No. 9345732)

Incompetence? or high crimes & misdemeanors. With incompetence, one doesn´t succeed in what one sets out to do. And I don´t think that is the case here.

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