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Popes and Dopes
Wall Street Journal, by James Taranto

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Posted By:Desert Fox, 3/14/2013 5:17:27 PM

The Roman Catholic Church has a new pope, and The New Yorker´s Jane Kramer brings her readers the astonishing news that "you will not see women in the priesthood anytime soon; or married clergy; or an end to the bans on divorce, abortion, and contraception; or a reprieve for the nuns in trousers who go forth to give food, music, and solace to the poor; or even an acknowledgement that ´unrepentant´ gay and lesbian Catholic men and women might, conceivably, get to heaven."

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Pros7767, 3/14/2013 5:26:45 PM     (No. 9225394)

The Blessed Mother Mary is the most revered woman in the Catholic Church. Pope Francis placed flowers at her statue and prayed to her for help for 30 minutes this morning.

What´s wrong with these people? Leave the Catholic Church alone. It has lasted 2000 years without the input of idiots.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: cartcart, 3/14/2013 5:35:37 PM     (No. 9225401)

Those exceptions are the NYT standards of moral ideology, not God´s. No church can change the standards set forth by God--not even the church of the NYT.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: balogreene, 3/14/2013 6:24:23 PM     (No. 9225463)

As a non-Catholic Christian, I am amazed at the press who, as Rush says are amazed the Pope is Catholic. Pope Francis seems a truly remarkable person. His election seems from God. The drive-by´s heads must be exploding.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: on fire, 3/14/2013 6:29:18 PM     (No. 9225469)

Jane K says it like it´s a bad thing!!

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Reply 5 - Posted by: octrojan, 3/14/2013 6:42:17 PM     (No. 9225484)

"Unrepentant gays might go to heaven?" As noted, everyone has to repent. Sheesh.

And the Church doesn´t have anything against being gay. None of us are supposed to have sex outside of marriage--straight or gay.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: 6079 Smith, W, 3/14/2013 6:58:20 PM     (No. 9225500)

And you won´t see any pro-life, anti-tax, small government Democrats anytime soon either. And the MSM won´t be expecting them too.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: dr fate, 3/14/2013 7:07:37 PM     (No. 9225515)

The queer loving libs wouldn´t be satisfied unless the Pope pushed the rebuilding of Sodom and Gomorrah and gave his first sermon from Brokeback Mountain.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: JAN, 3/14/2013 8:00:20 PM     (No. 9225568)

Jane, so us how brave you are.......take on Mohammed.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: FreeBird, 3/15/2013 7:09:00 AM     (No. 9226025)

Amen, #8. Amen!


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Reply 10 - Posted by: Mrs. Obelix, 3/15/2013 7:11:56 AM     (No. 9226027)

Oooh-- I was struck by this New Yorker article, too. The whole paragraph struck me as top-to-bottom looney, but the part that baffled me was the "reprieve for the nuns in trousers who go forth to give food, music, and solace to the poor." Whatever does that mean? What kind of reprieve do the nuns in trousers need? A vacation to Disneyland so they can relax after serving the poor? New trousers? Traditional habits instead of trousers? Updated music?
New Yorker Breaking News Alert: Pope´s Catholic! Film at 11!

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Reply 11 - Posted by: Lawsy0, 3/15/2013 7:12:38 AM     (No. 9226028)

What a surprise and a disappointment to learn that the church differs so greatly from the Bible.

Note to above, Pope Francis prayed kneeling for 10 minutes. He was in the chapel for much longer.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: FilAm, 3/15/2013 7:20:41 AM     (No. 9226040)

These leftists are so brave beating up on Catholics.I dare them do it to the Muslims.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: berthabutt, 3/15/2013 7:26:47 AM     (No. 9226050)

Ditto #5! That even GOD [let alone a church] should tell these narcissists anything is beyond their comprehension.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: Janjan, 3/15/2013 7:34:55 AM     (No. 9226058)

Liberals feel compelled to attack Christianity because they are so far from it. If the Bible is truely God´s Word, as Christians believe, they are on a very dark path. They are forced to reject that premise. Radical Islam, however, they can relate to. They both have the same view of Christians and ultimately America.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: RancherJack, 3/15/2013 8:10:21 AM     (No. 9226103)

Love the sinner

Correct the sin

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Reply 16 - Posted by: jackson, 3/15/2013 8:20:35 AM     (No. 9226117)

Great title!! We are surrounded by dopes. Many are catholic. Marriage is a sacrament. Homosexual acts are sinful. The Church will NEVER make a sin a sacrament. Duh!!

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Reply 17 - Posted by: kono, 3/15/2013 8:43:34 AM     (No. 9226157)

On-target ´must reads´ lede for this, Lcom.

That´s part of why there´s such a huge push to legalize ´gay marriage´. But one of the defining characteristics of the secular Left these days is the delusional hubris that human opinion defines reality. So if we can just get the law to say gays have the right to marry members of the same sex, then (voila!) gay commitments are marriage!

Relativism is just plain insane.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: geekrunner, 3/15/2013 9:35:39 AM     (No. 9226271)

One can begin to see now the real goal of leagalization of gay marriage.

If gay marriage is legalized and deemed a "right", then the next step is to force churches to marry gays.

Then the church is forced to accept that sex between legally married gays is no longer a sin.

Gay marriage has deep down never really been about the money.

With leftists, the issue is never the issue.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: dst4life, 3/15/2013 9:42:27 AM     (No. 9226296)

#11 You say that the Catholic Church´s teachings are not Biblical. What?!! Nearly the entire Mass is loaded with Scripture. So how is that not Biblical?

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Reply 20 - Posted by: LZK, 3/15/2013 9:49:23 AM     (No. 9226318)

Oh good for you poster #2 -- the Church of the NYT....

What a great line....

LZK

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Reply 21 - Posted by: ilovedogs, 3/15/2013 9:56:36 AM     (No. 9226337)

Same as in my (LDS) church. I imagine most churches believe this.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: bigfatslob, 3/15/2013 10:05:19 AM     (No. 9226364)

It´s fun to see the heads explode on the heretics like Jane K who probably has never seen the inside of any church.
All the leftist want is the Catholic Church to be run like the progressive Obama administration and it ain´t happening.
Good post here and very much all truths.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: pepperblue, 3/15/2013 10:19:20 AM     (No. 9226404)

My favorite tidbit from this article is the story about Chavez, in heaven, speaking to God and telling God what to do.

The Catholic Church has precepts and rubrics by which to abide. If you don´t want to follow, find a church more to your liking. Denigrating those who daily try to carry Christ´s cross and serve others through the Church only diminishes the denigrator.

FYI, the Catholic Church does have married clergy -- Deacons. I know, because I´m married to one. In addition, we have many Episcopal married priests who are now Catholic priests.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: Arby, 3/15/2013 10:22:16 AM     (No. 9226416)

Secularists want to turn the church into the Brown English Department. They just don´t get it.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: Tianne, 3/15/2013 10:41:51 AM     (No. 9226483)

With millions upon millions of Catholics world-wide to nurture and guide, the leaders of the Catholic Church rightly will pay little heed to the narrow-minded and self-serving laments of silly feminists and other befuddled commentators. Instead of rejoicing in the choice of a good and humble man for Pope (and in the implications of that choice worldwide), Ms. Kramer, especially, crosses her arms across her chest and stomps her foot at the injustice of it all.

Excellent, insightful article by Mr. Taranto - his remarkable restraint (despite a little sarcasm here and there) in describing those who are so astonishingly hallucinatory (think Charlie Rangel and Nicolas Maduro), is to be admired and commended.


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Reply 26 - Posted by: Eheu Fugaces, 3/15/2013 10:50:49 AM     (No. 9226506)

Taranto compiles interesting examples of a powerful Christian heresy (Western Liberalism/Socialism) attacking a powerful Christian orthodoxy (Roman Catholicism).

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Reply 27 - Posted by: John318, 3/15/2013 10:58:32 AM     (No. 9226527)

For all those adulterers, fornicators, homosexuals, liars & thieves etc. out there: "There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death." Proverbs 14:12 As Jesus mad it quite clear- "Repent or perish" Luke 13:3

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Reply 28 - Posted by: tnorling, 3/15/2013 11:59:45 AM     (No. 9226632)

Since most priests have, to say the least, "sexual identity problems..." Oh my.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: 49 Ford, 3/15/2013 12:15:53 PM     (No. 9226674)

Take a look at the MSN home page, and you´ll see that the leftist slime machine is kicking into high gear against Pope Francis.


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Reply 30 - Posted by: Lawsy0, 3/15/2013 12:58:42 PM     (No. 9226762)

You need more coffee, #19? The it is homosexual sex that is unbiblical. Pay attention, Leviticus 18:22 for one.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: 49 Ford, 3/15/2013 1:17:40 PM     (No. 9226781)

#11/30, it seems that poster #19 didn´t get the sarcastic intent of your first post.


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Reply 32 - Posted by: radrelic, 3/15/2013 1:41:29 PM     (No. 9226819)

From must reads-Miss Lucianne´s comment:

"Reader´s Simple Catholic Fact: The Church doesn´t have anything
against being gay. None of us are supposed
to have sex outside of marriage--straight or gay. "

Exactly the Mormon stance and reason for Prop 8 activism by members in California.

Mormon church however will not oppose gay union.(Which IMO we all should promote so that marriage isn´t taken down and diminished by being tossed into the equality pot to simmer and stew and produce what new unknown?)

Catholic Church is larger and has a world presence and voice. Somehow, I doubt the gays will park in the Vatican grounds or that it produce the conciliatory stance that Utah is taking. Easier to pick on the little guys, the one minority that is not protected by hate crime laws or pop culture feel goodism.

In any case, Hooray for the New and maybe final Pope? The 112th?










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Gays are camped out and campaigning for "equality As Lucianne says they are equal, no sex outside of marriage.




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Reply 33 - Posted by: secondtimelucky, 3/15/2013 2:33:33 PM     (No. 9226872)

I had to laugh reading that Charlie Rangel is pushing Pope Francis to ´´be more like Matthew´´. Matthew was a hated tax collector prior to his meeting Jesus.



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Reply 34 - Posted by: thelmalou, 3/15/2013 2:47:18 PM     (No. 9226884)

Thank you, #5. My thoughts exactly. And I personally think gay marriage is a states´ rights issue. Just like abortion, etc.


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Reply 35 - Posted by: Phd, 3/15/2013 2:48:08 PM     (No. 9226885)

Liberal secularists abhor any moral compass. If you can convince people that anything they do, any way they want to live, without consequence, is OK, then you will have their vote. Give them other people´s money and you will have their vote forever. Easy, peasy!

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Reply 36 - Posted by: jlw509, 3/15/2013 3:18:42 PM     (No. 9226933)

#33,

#1 - every gay man has exactly the same right as a straight man: to find a woman he loves, who is eligible and willing, marry her and start a family.

#2 - every gay woman has exactly the same right as a straight women: to find a man she lives, who is eligible and willing, and marry him and start a family.

If the gentleman from #1 finds the lady from #2 and they marry each other, voila, a gay couple that got married.

Happens all the time. Think Andra Dworkin and John Stoltenberg.

Why? Because marriage is the beginning of a family, kids need a father and a mother, and a family is supposed to prioritize children´s needs, not adults´ desires.

It is a travesty to re-define marriage around adults as if it had nothing to do with building a family. Everywhere in the world, and at all times, marriage has been the foundation of the family.

The families built by gay couples, by definition, intentionally deprive a child of either a father or a father.

Mr Varilli, in the context of the radical redefinition of marriage and on behalf of the Obama Administration, has just told the U.S. Supreme Court that a child has no right to have a mother, no need to have a mother, and no interest in having a mother.

Seems to me that Pope Francis is right: this is child abuse.

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Reply 37 - Posted by: Namma, 3/15/2013 3:58:53 PM     (No. 9226980)

I find it just amazing that a journalist can find things to write on how they disagree with the Catholic Church because it has beliefs that does not harm anyone who does not want to believe and does not take the time to study up on the reason for the beliefs...but dont write anything about Islam that totally keeps women schackled to the point that they have to cover their bodies and their face..hates gays, and truly believes that killing someone is going to get their rear ends to Heaven...

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Reply 38 - Posted by: ArtieC, 3/15/2013 4:18:05 PM     (No. 9227017)

If unrepentant gays can go to heaven then any unrepentant sinner can go to heaven, then there would have been no need to send a savior, no need for Jesus to die on the cross no need to preach repentance because everybody is going to heaven automatically. We preachers might as well shut up and sit down because we are wasting our time preaching forgiveness.

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Reply 39 - Posted by: lana720, 3/15/2013 4:23:43 PM     (No. 9227026)

One wonders how much time #11 spent on her knees today.
Some excellent comments here as well as some totally off base from misinformed citizens.
The Catholic Church stands, based upon Biblical teachings, immutable among those who want Her to reflect the depravity of cultural secularism.
God bless our Holy Father, Francis!

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Reply 40 - Posted by: ChazzPalm, 3/15/2013 4:35:14 PM     (No. 9227043)

The Left (i.e. the NYT and the non-FOX Media worldwide) have turned abortion on demand into a virtuous sacrament.
The Roman Catholic Church has opposed that.
What else does one need to know?

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Reply 41 - Posted by: Charactercounts, 3/15/2013 9:16:52 PM     (No. 9227419)

#33, Most of us do have gay family members and friends that we love and care for. That said, there is no reason to redefine marriage. Marriage was devised (and is a sacrament in the Roman Catholic Church) to protect the well-being of children and their mother and to form a family.

Since two men or two women cannot create a child, marriage is impossible, and unnecessary.


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Reply 42 - Posted by: ocjim, 3/15/2013 10:01:32 PM     (No. 9227466)

Perhaps the most sensible and admirable Catch-22 I´ve ever run into...
Per the Catholic Church:
- Sex outside of marriage is a sin
- Homosexual marriage is banned

You do the math.

And...
- I have nothing but great sympathy for those with the affliction.
- They are a smaller minority than their loud, shrill voices and considerable political power would indicate today.
- They are way overrepresented in the news media today, even at the most prestigious(?) outlets.
- I do not believe it is genetic, nor is it nurture alone. From what I´ve read it has to do with the chemical hormone(?) mix in the womb during gestation.

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Reply 43 - Posted by: tomatonut, 3/15/2013 11:04:26 PM     (No. 9227523)

#5 couldn´t be more wrong. The Church teaches that homosexual sex is intrinsically immoral. She, the Church, has taught so since her inception. The "Didache" says it as clearly as it could be said. The Church has always taught that sex is a great gift from God which has a dual purpose, and when the procreative side of it is frustrated the people involved are sinning. (Thus the Church teaches that contraception is wrong.) But homosexual sex acts cannot by their nature ever be procreative. As such they are unnatural (not according to our created nature). In short, they are a perversion of a great and good gift from God.

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Fox News, by Dana Blanton    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/16/2014 7:39:27 PM     Post Reply
About six in ten American voters think Barack Obama lies to the country on important matters some or most of the time, according to a Fox News poll released Wednesday. Thirty-seven percent think Obama lies “most of the time,” while another 24 percent say he lies “some of the time.” Twenty percent of voters say “only now and then” and 15 percent “never.” Click here for the poll results. President Obama has been accused by political opponents and media fact-checkers alike of telling falsehoods. Frequently cited: His repeated claim that under Obamacare “If you like your plan, you can keep


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