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Broken Justice
National Review Online, by Conrad Black

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Posted By:zoidberg, 2/28/2013 3:27:51 PM

I observed Washington’s birthday by participating in a Federalist Society telephone forum on the American justice system with two other panelists.(Snip)These are, in the briefest synopsis, that American prosecutors win 99.5 percent of their cases, a much higher percentage than those in other civilized countries; that  97 percent of them are won without trial, because of the plea-bargain system in which inculpatory evidence is extorted from witnesses in exchange for immunity from prosecution, including for perjury; that the U.S. has six to twelve times as many incarcerated people per capita as do Australia, Canada, France, Germany, Japan


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Reply 1 - Posted by: TruthAndJustice, 2/28/2013 4:16:24 PM     (No. 9201423)

Dr. John Natale, a cardio thoracic surgeon, had the justice department try to extort money and admit to Medicare fraud. He would not comply...he would not admit to the false charges.
The government, under Patrick Fitzgerald, spent millions to prosecute an innocent man, a good surgeon and Doc. The jury found him INNOCENT...but the judge sent him to prison anyway and took away his medical license.

This Doc is one of the very best. Never lost even one patient on the table...saved patients when large aneurysms burst....not one single atient ever sued this guy..prett unusual in out litigous society.
Yet he sits in prison...so Sebelius, Holder and Obama can BS the people that Obamacare works and they are getting those rich money grubbing rotten Docs who take your tonsils out for no reason....Disgusting!

Where are the people objecting...Sir Thomas More should come to mind....When they come for you...there will be no one left to object...
Stand now...before these thugs amass every bit of power.

That unfairly prosecuted Black writes this column is worth noting.

From another Doc, part of the American Assoc of Physicians and Surgeons...if I knew how to post this at Lucianne I would...if another LDotters can. Please do.


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Reply 2 - Posted by: Rafter, 2/28/2013 4:45:53 PM     (No. 9201452)

Conrad Black is anything but a paragon of virtue himself.
Some of his convictions were overturned on appeal. But not all of them.
In his biography you can find that he had a rather checkered academic background.
Lots of disciplinary and expulsion incidents.
Black has been at variance with the rules for all his life.
His academic problems all occurred in his native Canada. They were not the fault of
the U.S. legal system.
He´s kind of whiney.

Having noted all that...

Prosecutors are often dishonest. There should be no prosecutorial immunity.
They should be held to either the same -- or higher -- standards as the public.

People do not trust gummint, including because prosecutors cannot be trusted.

Regarding crime statistics and incarcerations...
One percent or two percent criminality of the population would mean in our nation of
over 300 million that 3-6 million would be convicted and imprisoned.
Not a big deal. Sounds normal to me.

If the crime rate here is not ZERO, then not enough are in prison, obviously.
It doesn´t matter what other nations do.
We have many minorities who are crime-prone.

We do have too many lawyers.
They are not competent or honest, all too often.
There is corruption throughout American society and life.
In medicine, education, politics, the law, drug production (Big Pharm), etc.

I seriously doubt Conrad Black is the person to lead us out of this wilderness.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: MDMuskrat, 2/28/2013 8:42:21 PM     (No. 9201750)

Conrad Black is eminently qualified to talk about prosecutorial mischief, witness bullying and immunity, and being railroaded by the American ´justice´ system. He has experienced all of it, first hand, in the Chicago court system where his "persecutor" was none other than Patrick Fitzgerald...of "Scooter" Libby infamy.

To read about the quality of Conrad Black, and the travails he suffered through at the hands of the American ´justice´ system, go here:


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Reply 4 - Posted by: absalom, 2/28/2013 8:50:33 PM     (No. 9201762)

Re: post #1," the Jury found him innocent but the Judge sent him to prison anyway." Hey pal, get back on your medication quickly!!!
Re: post #2, Black is a hustler, plain and simple, and always has been. "Conservatism´ is a convenient vehicle for ilk like him (and Murdoch) to play the sympathy card when they get caught w/their pants down. Black is trash.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: TruthAndJustice, 2/28/2013 11:42:12 PM     (No. 9201914)

Absalom, #4, you are wrong.

Apparently you didn´t read the link I left.

Further, Conrad Black was railroaded and I believe in both cases, prosecuted by Patrick Fitzgerald (of the Valerie Plame and Rchard Armitage stench) there was Prosecutorial Misconduct.

But please, continue to showcase your prejudice and ignorance..that no doubt tags you as an Obama tool and lofo voter.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: absalom, 3/1/2013 12:24:31 AM     (No. 9201948)

#5. T&J; you´re entitled to your opinion of Black but many demur, including me. Now while
I may well be, unwittingly ´prejudiced and ignorant´ about Black; I´m neither a ´tool of Obama nor a low information voter´. Let me suggest that you choose your slanders more carefully.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: mickturn, 3/1/2013 1:52:41 PM     (No. 9203096)

SO, the process whereby "...the plea-bargain system in which inculpatory evidence is extorted from witnesses in exchange for immunity from prosecution."
Actually means that the guilty walk so the presecutors can use this tactic to get more political points (runninf for office is so much fun...) going after the big fish (1 person) while hundreds of criminals keep walking the streets plying their trade.

So when does the actual cost of letting criminals walk come home to roost? I know, never!

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