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Three Reasons Conservatives are
Losing the Battle for America

American Thinker, by J. Paul Masko, III

Original Article

Posted By:thudlike, 2/24/2013 4:52:36 AM

The Republicans may as well stop their soul-searching and look at the reality of the Democrat electorate. In addition to those Republican voters who stayed home on Election Day, the hard-core (so-called) progressives, the inadequate Republican ground game, and those who pay little or no federal tax and are happy to elect those who promise to take larger sums from those who DO pay, there´s a more profound and possibly intractable problem.

  

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Reply 1 - Posted by: FunOne, 2/24/2013 6:33:41 AM     (No. 9193111)

Who is John Galt?


Reply 2 - Posted by: Rinktum, 2/24/2013 6:44:56 AM     (No. 9193121)

Another excellent article and should be required reading for every Republican. This clearly lays out the problems we face today. The solutions are another matter. We are living in a society that worships man´s idea of right and wrong and seeks to stamp out anyone who is guided in their life by a higher power. The progressives shake their fists at God and say, "We know better!" They are fully invested in their ideology and I shutter to think what it would take for them to even consider another path. Group think like theirs always ends badly.


   

 

  


 
Reply 3 - Posted by: lilo, 2/24/2013 6:45:04 AM     (No. 9193122)

So basically, this guy is saying "Rape is inevitable, so relax and enjoy it." To some degree this is a national consensus, but not a local one. Except for the lofo and gimme bunch, the fifth column media, and the die hard leftists, Americans are largely conservative. He is right about one thing, the left will gleefully destroy any on the national level they regard as a threat. Conservatism sells on a local and state level, not so much nationally. Grass roots organization and politics need to take center stage for the Republicans. You can be rest assued that the left will destroy any national presidential candidate. What the Republicans need to do is build up local strangth, retake senate and increase the majority in the house so they can be the obstructionist party they will be called in any event.


Reply 4 - Posted by: gator, 2/24/2013 6:48:28 AM     (No. 9193126)

And all three can only be broken by a brute force revolt.


Reply 5 - Posted by: Hank Reardon, 2/24/2013 6:50:47 AM     (No. 9193128)

He´s a good friend of mine, #1.

It´s beyond me how they equate Republicans with Conservatives. Two different fish entirely.


Reply 6 - Posted by: privateer, 2/24/2013 7:26:24 AM     (No. 9193167)

RE: 2 and 3. If you think religion should decide your politics---and you want to win---you may as well convert to islam. And I do not believe we are essentially a conservative nation, haven´t been since maybe Klintoon´s second term. Massive influx of foreign, invading parasites, growing the poverty/moocher/LoFo percentage of our population and total domination of the news/entertainment complex have seen to that. The main reason convervatives are losing the battle is because too many people on one side are too stupid, and on the other side too many are weak.


Reply 7 - Posted by: ladychatalie, 2/24/2013 7:51:55 AM     (No. 9193186)

Masko´s article does not account for two important facts. First, if Republicans and Conservatives face such an "intractible problem" then why did 30 states elect Republican Governors? Second, the level of election fraud. What are we doing today to ensure that every deployed Military person is not blocked from voting in 2014 and 2016? Can families or the soldiers themselves take care of what the DoD and states refuse to do? Who owns and operates automatic voting machines? Who works at the polling places?


   

 

  


 
Reply 8 - Posted by: philsner, 2/24/2013 7:59:04 AM     (No. 9193193)

Yes #5, and the ongoing idiocy about how we need "moderate" republicans to regain the lofo vote is nonsense. We need conservatives willing to smash through this tyranny, not inside the beltway "moderates" who will supervise the decline.


Reply 9 - Posted by: plumnellie, 2/24/2013 8:10:16 AM     (No. 9193218)

I would guess that the many of those who comment on practically every article to promote moderates or Rovettes are paid in some manner to do so. What they believe is not clear except to tear down Tea people and conservatives. They even say they are conservatives but never tell us what they believe that is actually conservative. If they are Rovettes they do not believe in small government. And, not sure about gay marriage or abortion. The professional ´conservatives´ attack those who stand strong for traditional marriage and pro life..plus if a tea person tries to speak up for fighting against big government the Pro Cons bash them for a variety of reasons and ridicule them. So. If it smells like a rose....


Reply 10 - Posted by: Wetlandz, 2/24/2013 8:16:26 AM     (No. 9193229)

This is definitely a must read. This nation is is on an addicts death spiral to rock bottom and recovery from there is a big ´if´. The republican conservative infighting is why we are spinning our wheels futilely. This allow the media propagandists to spot light our behavior and show the LoFos we haven´t got any solutions. Heck if the deranged leftists can unite so can we. Another big problem, why can´t we show that the msm media can´t be trusted? There´s plenty of evidence.


Reply 11 - Posted by: chillijilli, 2/24/2013 8:18:50 AM     (No. 9193237)

If conservatives and Republicans are not the same, then at least accept that they are the closest possible allies and UNITE on the most important issues. Do the bickering behind closed doors, as the Demos do. Present a united front to the media and STOP taking their bait to attack or criticize each other.
It´s a battle for America all right, and you don´t shoot your own comrades-in-arms.


Reply 12 - Posted by: jdwill, 2/24/2013 8:35:46 AM     (No. 9193262)

The writer´s premise ignores the real America! The wind has been shifting for many years, now, and continues to shift back toward the principles upon which our proud America was founded! Democracy works this way -- slow but sure, back to honesty, truth, and honor. Sometimes hard to see, but there for the curious to find! The gradual destruction of NYT, and many of the other now inconsequential rags, increased action by the States in contravention to Washington´s wishes, and, everybody´s laughing behind their hands at the antics of hussein and his coterie of clowns! Everyone sees the absolute silliness and emptiness of Washington´s comical antics! Like watching a badly written play! We walk out, which is just what is happening! The writer´s analysis of the political drama taking place in America at present is not in the least realistic! He does not know America! He will be pleasantly surprised as he watches America dust off the dirt and crud which has accumulated here and there because we´ve been a bit busy raising our kids and keeping our families together! Never sell Americans short, dear Sir!


   

 



 
Reply 13 - Posted by: Muguy, 2/24/2013 9:01:21 AM     (No. 9193304)

Of the three points argued in the article, #1 should have been "media bias" which he lists at #2. The ´Jourolist" is still alive and well!

If the true nature of the lack of concern over the Bengazi attack had been know at the time instead of revealled as Madam Broomstick and Leon"useful dolt" Panetta were leaving office, Mitt Romney would be the sitting President.

The false reporting, lack of reporting, or flat out attacks on conservatives are more to blame than people who are given candidates for office who are taken down by the drive-by media spraying accusations.

The very idea that a big-government liberal moderate RINO in fact is a conservative is not a viable argument.

This kind of candidate IS NOT a conservative, and in fact, those who the article ridicules are genuinely ARE conservatives with moral concerns about our country might actually have the right idea.

Its said when the conservative-leaning columnists try to slam other conservatives rather than seeking common ground amongst each other to defeat the know enemy of the country--those who want to give everything away or walk away from conviction just to "put one over" on the public to win elections.


Reply 14 - Posted by: MDConservative, 2/24/2013 10:05:19 AM     (No. 9193414)

"Read my lips..." and "Harriet Miers" is all one needs to know about Republicans. No child, Medicare prescriptions...smaller, less intrusive government...the Republican way. Unlike liberals and Democrats, conservatives expect a certain level of principled behavior and honest character in their politicians. Maybe we´re all just saps.


Reply 15 - Posted by: Blue-Z-Anna, 2/24/2013 10:19:57 AM     (No. 9193435)

There is a sub-specie of conservative who wants simply to be left alone. These fiercely independent souls go unrepresented because of the collectivist nature of all things political. By contrast, the left offers comradeship and appeals to the hyper-social personality. The game is thus rigged even further.


Reply 16 - Posted by: MissMolly, 2/24/2013 10:20:19 AM     (No. 9193436)

#9, you´re being hysterical. What is a "Rovette"? What is a "Pro Con"? I defy you to locate an L-Dotter who is being "paid" to present a specific point of view. Where has any L-Dotter attacked "those who stand for traditional marriage"? It ought to be a given that every person who believes himself or herself to be a conservative voter might not match up exactly with another person who believes the same. We´re all for smaller government. Beyond that, the priorities vary wildly. That´s just fine with me and, yes, I am a conservative.


Reply 17 - Posted by: pindarjr, 2/24/2013 10:21:10 AM     (No. 9193438)

Another technique the left has effectively employed since the seventies is organized, rigorous litigation to destroy or marginalize any religious and civic organizations that might be expected to provide arguments against and alternatives to larger government solutions. Today, neither churches nor synagogues nor civic groups (Lions, Moose, Elk, Boy Scouts, etc.) which used to recognize and respond to local problems, enjoy anywhere near the respect or support they once received.


   

 

  


 
Reply 18 - Posted by: plumnellie, 2/24/2013 11:08:08 AM     (No. 9193514)

Why must Molly say I am being histerical? What is his purpose in trying to demean me personally or saying I am one of those ´women´ who needs to shut up and.....(the misogynists of yore..especially in the medical field labeled women hysterical if they thought for themselves).
Molly..you are doing just what I said that too many posters do: target anyone who has serious doubts as to the agenda of people who push the moderate line of the estab Repubs down our throats in one form or another.
Maybe you are projecting.


Reply 19 - Posted by: tisHimself, 2/24/2013 11:59:17 AM     (No. 9193595)

Because you´re right and the only way to silence you is to isolate you--- that Alinsky thing. You´ll note that moderate liberal republicans on this board seldom get to the substance of in issue, only to challenge the poster, the source or a particular poster.
They claim to be fiscal conservatives, but the idea of a big government that offers national level reforms in a one size fits all approach results in an unflinching defense of Bush administrations in all its big spending mediocrity. The concept that big government intrudes upon individual freedoms, especially those freedoms intertwined with faith and morals is a discussion that cause them embarrassment among their NPR listening acquaintances. They get along with them better that they get along with you church going extremists.
Welcome to the club.



Reply 20 - Posted by: plumnellie, 2/24/2013 12:04:58 PM     (No. 9193608)

I may lose my posting privileges for posting again but thanks TisHimself. Just because we are outnumbered is no reason to go belly up. Am planning to fight as best I can side by side with others like you.


Reply 21 - Posted by: tisHimself, 2/24/2013 12:41:32 PM     (No. 9193651)

Count again. We have a lot more people on our side of the rope. And it bugs them.


Reply 22 - Posted by: Sunhan65, 2/24/2013 1:01:01 PM     (No. 9193672)

#19, I would guess that #17 is a woman. No conservative man could hate Sarah Palin that much. I happen to agree with your point about paid posters. During the last primary, I noticed that many posters followed a pattern: Carpet post attacks on Romney´s rivals and endlessly repeat that Romney could do no wrong. However, their definition of right and wrong changed on a daily basis depending on the tactical interests of the Romney campaign. Thus they attacked Romney´s rivals for being Washington insiders until the day Mitt endorsed Orrin Hatch over a highly-qualified TEA party challenger, and then suddenly we needed more Washington insiders like Hatch. They vilified any politician who threatened Romney and attacked any poster who criticized him. Most of these folks vanished the second Romney secured the nomination. Some are still hanging around to blame the rest of us because their can´t-lose candidate lost a must-win election to the worst president in history. I don´t know how many were paid operatives. I do know they were wrong about everything that matters, and the rest of us are paying for it now.


   

 



 
Reply 23 - Posted by: 49 Ford, 2/24/2013 1:24:37 PM     (No. 9193706)

Well, for what it´s worth, the upshot of the article is that we are all screwed, and all this squabbling and finger pointing among ourselves is ralyy a waste of time.

Romney lost and made some mistakes along the way.

None of the other GOP hopefuls could have come close to beating Obama.

Our once great nation is circling the drain. Any questions?


Reply 24 - Posted by: plumnellie, 2/24/2013 1:27:08 PM     (No. 9193712)

Depends on your definition of ´conservative man´. Remember who attacked Palin among ´conservative´ writers...2/3rds were male. Histerical is not usually used by women against women..is usually a male weapon. I could be wrong but ´molly´ has posted more like a type of male than a woman. Again..am just giving mho.


Reply 25 - Posted by: lilo, 2/24/2013 1:33:24 PM     (No. 9193723)

# 6, where in my original post did I mention religion? Ah, nowhere. Projection on your part, and deathly fear of something? Conservative does not equate with religious fervor.


Reply 26 - Posted by: Susannah, 2/24/2013 1:45:32 PM     (No. 9193743)

Well, I suppose accusations of "paid posting" could cut both ways, couldn´t they?


Reply 27 - Posted by: chillijilli, 2/24/2013 2:20:15 PM     (No. 9193770)

Some of us have been on this forum since forever. The reason it´s been so successful and such a great LEARNING venue is because we all RESPECT each other and TOLERATE each other´s views.
This recent childish bashing and bickering in not worthy of the dedication, time and effort our fearless leader and staff contribute to provide us all with a safe haven during stormy times. Please. Can. We. All. Give. It. A. Break.
I speak only for myself here, not the staff. And I may be out of line. But, honestly, for me this sniping at our allies is getting out of hand. We can surely disagree without getting personal and nasty.


Reply 28 - Posted by: Penney, 2/24/2013 2:25:25 PM     (No. 9193774)

Excellent article which summerizes the current realities confronting the USA. We grew up in the, ´´Happy Days,´´ generation, eager to get out on our own, work hard, explore & innovate in the world filled with endless possibilities, which had been safely delivered to our generation by what has been called America´s greatest generation, ...freedoms´ patriots, proud to be Americans, who valued and cherished the USA for its ethics & principles which secured each one´s Right equally to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. There was great optimism about the future with all of its possibilities available to everyone living in the USA.

That domestic tranquility began to change, IMHO, with the shock of Pres. Kennedy´s death and that of the others soon following. Then quickly came the increase of the ´60s-´70s militant statist protesting ´students,´ drugs, militants & their demands which eventually resulted in the PC lefty politicos´ disasterous public policies, fractured families, destruction of public education, loss of integrity in the media/alphabets/hollyweird, and eventurall the decayed metropolitan areas throughout the fabric of America. Political lies & trickery replaced patriotism and ethisc among some of our electeds, the media & the entertainment industry.

After the the past PC 40 years, the future looks cloudy. Freedom is now shrinking around the planet, as tyranny´s opportunists are ready & willing to take advantage of such perceived weakness.

´´Liberty or Tyranny,´´ by Mark Levin, presents the choice ahead. It is the same choice faced by past generations throughout history. America determined Liberty as our national goal and the Founders set in place the Constitutional abilities to achiever it. The GOP would thus do well to remind voters of that fact, as the statist dems pols seem to be unable, (maybe even abandoning?!), that noble pursuit.



Reply 29 - Posted by: Sunhan65, 2/24/2013 2:45:25 PM     (No. 9193801)

#27 raises a fair question. Having backed three different GOP candidates in sequence during the primary, I would have been a poor investment as a paid poster. Also, I doubt that Cain or Gingrich were organized enough to flood the boards. I have no such doubts about the Romney campaign. One thing I noticed was that certain posters had no particular opinions about other conservative topics of the day; just a constant drumbeat about the greatness of Mitt and the awfulness of his nearest rival. Thus, Santorum was fine while Newt was being eviscerated, but two weeks later, Rick became the worst guy in the world. That kind of collective discipline doesn´t happen by accident.


Reply 30 - Posted by: absalom, 2/24/2013 3:14:54 PM     (No. 9193835)

Religious adherence/economic and social philosophy defines the individual, not the other way around. Self named Catholics who affirm abortion, a female priesthood, homosexuality etc, are not Catholics. Period. So too, a number of posters claiming the mantle of conservatism, most obviously are not. One adheres to enduring principle or one doesn´t and this has nothing to do w/the litmus test canard. One is a conservative first or one is a republican which is what all the sturm und drang is about.


Reply 31 - Posted by: Pluperfect, 2/24/2013 3:17:24 PM     (No. 9193837)

#30, malarkey. The "paid poster" theory is ridiculous. Why would it have been necessary? It seems that if you supported three candidates in succession, you held sincere opinions on each of them. Why is it not possible that posters (many of them!) could not have sincerely believed Romney was the best choice? Why must some believe money was the only explanation? The "paid poster" bit is offensive.


Reply 32 - Posted by: Pluperfect, 2/24/2013 3:18:31 PM     (No. 9193838)

Or, a conservative Republican, #31.


Reply 33 - Posted by: absalom, 2/24/2013 3:29:12 PM     (No. 9193854)

#33. Indeed. That descriptive is about as accurate as ´Catholic Muslim´ is.


Reply 34 - Posted by: wsdiego, 2/24/2013 3:32:19 PM     (No. 9193858)

It sure seems to be that way!


Reply 35 - Posted by: tisHimself, 2/24/2013 4:50:25 PM     (No. 9193892)

Perhaps you´d care to share with the class the important role you played in the 2008 campaign, or to deny a coordinated effort by Romney enthusiasts to spin this salon since, oh, say 2006?

We can all get along. But being disingenuous at every opportunity is hardly helpful. If you are a liberal republican, if you the nominee you support is a liberal republican, own it. That whole courage of your convictions thing. But then acknowledge that religious people make you nervous, that you are embarrassed among your friends when forced to defend a prolife Conservative, that you believe big government can be good as long as you and the people you know are in charge.
You know who you are; the rest of us certainly do.


Reply 36 - Posted by: BaseballFan, 2/24/2013 5:09:32 PM     (No. 9193903)

A better read, and one which includes actual solutions:

"They Fired the First Shot 2012".


Reply 37 - Posted by: mikkins2, 2/24/2013 5:10:14 PM     (No. 9193904)

Ever notice the same people day after day posting at the same time in the morning flooding the site with pro Establishment articles or at least ones that will not hurt them? Funny how these articles always end up in "Must Reads", the first thing people see clicking a link to Lucianne.com.

Just an observation.......

Bring on the flying monkeys! 3.2.1.

Got Tea?


Reply 38 - Posted by: plumnellie, 2/24/2013 5:51:40 PM     (No. 9193961)

Glad I am not alone in thinking this way. Don´t mind if it suits Lucianne but do mind the way some of the Big Deal Posters conduct themselves...bashing tea people without ever sharing their beliefs. Plus they don´t like to bash Dems, moderates or anyone as much as they do us tea people...then holler: can´t we all just get along?


Reply 39 - Posted by: King of all trolls, 2/24/2013 6:00:35 PM     (No. 9193976)

George Bush, the Rats adroit use of racial politics, AfghanistanIraq.


Reply 40 - Posted by: Italiano, 2/24/2013 6:50:53 PM     (No. 9194035)

There is probably only one course of action left, unless we want to become sheep...or "Good Germans", just going along with what the leftists come up with to continue the destruction of a once-great nation.

They have to draw first blood, though.


Reply 41 - Posted by: RoseOfTexas, 2/24/2013 8:13:25 PM     (No. 9194119)

I´m skeptical our resident standard-issue Republican enthusiasts are actually paid for their efforts - I think they are just very certain that their way is best & think if they keep shoving it in the faces of the socons, TEA partiers, religious right or whoever they see their foes as, we´ll eventually see things their way or just leave after tiring of the constant insults.

Because of them, I spend much more time on another site where my views are more respected.


Reply 42 - Posted by: Sunhan65, 2/24/2013 8:34:12 PM     (No. 9194140)

Sincere apologies to all for one last post. #32, I did try to restrict what I was saying to "certain posters." We agree about this: There were lots of honest and sincere Romney supporters posting on this site throughout the last election cycle. My post wasn´t about them. If, on the other hand, you believe that political operatives don´t try to leverage sites like this, then we do disagree about that.


Reply 43 - Posted by: yorkiemom, 2/24/2013 10:03:11 PM     (No. 9194208)

Boy, some posters sure are paranoid. Paid posters? That´s as disgusting as throwing around the "troll" word if someone doesn´t agree with your conservatism.

I imagine all of us have expressed our unhappiness or dislike of certain of our Republican politicians at one time or another and what´s wrong with that? Many were almost beaten over the head if they dared say anything about Palin. Later, the same thing if something was said against Romney, only the Palin lovers were much more vicious in their comments, imo.

Too bad we can´t seem to stop living in the past election cycle and start trying to whip the Dems in the next election. I am still bummed about the election and don´t watch the news like I used to, but I still want to fight the Dems and get them out of office. They way this thread has read, that probably won´t happen.


Reply 44 - Posted by: earlybird, 2/25/2013 10:01:08 AM     (No. 9194794)

Have you ever noticed that those who whine about what is posted here never post anything themselves?

This site runs on the posts that LDotters put up for others to read, enjoy, comment upon.

Those lazies who lie back in the weeds and throw darts should be ashamed.

Get busy. Post what you want to read. Share with others.



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Business Insider, by Brett LoGiurato    Original Article
Posted By: StormCnter- 6/18/2013 5:34:23 AM     Post Reply
Amid a steady rise of backlash, Edward Snowden, the 29-year-old former National Security Agency contractor who was the source of a spring of leaks about the agency´s surveillance methods, conducted a live chat on The Guardian´s website Monday morning. Judging from some of the pointed questions he´s been asked and the reaction to newly leaked revelations over the past few days, it´s clear that much of the sympathy and support Snowden had built up for his early exposures is eroding. Many Americans supported his decision to leak information about a pair of National Security Agency surveillance programs, which, he detailed, gathered information

G8: Barack Obama looks like
a president going through the motions

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Telegraph [UK], by Alex Spillius    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 6/19/2013 4:58:06 AM     Post Reply
Listening to Barack Obama give his speech in Belfast on Monday, it was hard not to stifle a yawn. I kept waiting for the part when he would say something interesting, but, about three quarters of the way through, realised it wasn’t going to come. Judging from television pictures some of his young audience felt the same, after the initial rush of euphoria of receiving the rock star president in their midst had passed. This is not surprising, for we had already heard this number about the inspirational role of the Northern Ireland peace process and the Emerald Isle’s

Obama: You Can´t Fathom
´Complexities´ of Syria
Policy ´If You Haven´t Been
in Situation Room´

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Weekly Standard, by Daniel Halper    Original Article
Posted By: Desert Fox- 6/18/2013 5:30:04 PM     Post Reply
Charlie Rose last night asked President Obama his new Syria policy. The president first objected to it being called a new policy. "I´m not sure you can characterize this as a new policy. This is consistent with the policy that I´ve had throughout," he said. Obama then explained the goal is regional stability, and especially in Syria. "Really, what we´re trying to do is take sides against extremists of all sorts and in favor of people who are in favor of moderation, tolerance, representative government, and over the long-term, stability and prosperity for the people of Syria," said Obama.

How Democracies Perish, Deathbed Edition
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American Thinker, by Daren Jonescu    Original Article
Posted By: steveW- 6/18/2013 6:11:46 AM     Post Reply
This is the thirtieth anniversary of the publication of How Democracies Perish, an analysis of the spread of world communism by Jean-François Revel, one of freedom´s most serious French defenders since Tocqueville. At the heart of this work, Revel details "The Tools of Communist Expansion," among which the most relevant for understanding our current situation comes in Chapter 16, "Ideological Warfare and Disinformation." The profound simplicity of Revel´s nuts and bolts account of totalitarianism´s Cold War advance, far from being obsolete


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