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Sheriff: There was no intent
to burn cabin to get Dorner

USA Today, by Donna Leinwand Leger*

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Posted By:NorthernDog, 2/13/2013 10:52:44 PM

Deputies did not intentionally burn down the Southern California mountain cabin where fugitive Christopher Dorner apparently made his deadly last stand Tuesday, the San Bernardino County sheriff said Wednesday. "We did not intentionally burn down that cabin to get Mr. Dorner out," Sheriff John McMahon said at an afternoon news conference. He said deputies initially fired conventional "cold" tear gas into the cabin in Seven Oaks, near Big Bear Lake, then switched to "pyrotechnic-type" rounds" known as "burners." Authorities have strong evidence that the man deputies tracked to the

*Chris Woodyard and Michael Winter. With William M. Welch and John Bacon.
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Reply 1 - Posted by: STLstudent, 2/13/2013 11:15:15 PM     (No. 9175206)

Words like, "Burn down the [M F´er]" are heard several times on the police scanner. The place caught fire instantly when they used the "burners". If he had hundreds or thousands of pounds of ammo, then we might believe this immediate fire was possible. Sorry folks, they are lying.

Dormer was evil, but the cops used the Waco, Texas solution, and that is scary.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: zzzghy, 2/13/2013 11:16:19 PM     (No. 9175208)

"We did not intentionally burn down that cabin to get Mr. Dorner out," Sheriff John McMahon said at an afternoon news conference.

Correct. You intentionally burned down that cabin to keep the lid on Mr. Dorner.

It´s all spin now. This nightmare is over; it´s now all about spinning and b-essing one of the most rotten, bungling and corrupt police departments ever into a sympathetic heroic fantasy.

Bite into it if you want to, but I won´t. I live here.

Dorner was an off-the-hook murdering maniac, yes -- but what you need to understand is that the LAPD and police departments throughout SoCal are loaded with exactly that kind of menace.

Check out the Fullerton PD.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Mickturn, 2/13/2013 11:17:32 PM     (No. 9175210)

Riiiiight...the only good news here is Dorner was a LIB!

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Reply 4 - Posted by: ScrIbelus, 2/13/2013 11:22:22 PM     (No. 9175216)

I favored mortars, myself.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: jond, 2/13/2013 11:25:24 PM     (No. 9175222)

"Domestic terrorist?"

There are lots of bad things you could call Dorner, but that isn´t one.

The word is being abused, both by people who won´t use it when they should and those who use it when they shouldn´t.

In the same way, the former Soviet Union used "mental illness".

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Reply 6 - Posted by: BaseballFan, 2/13/2013 11:31:11 PM     (No. 9175225)

"Authorities have strong evidence that the man deputies tracked to the vacation cabin looked and behaved like Dorner."

So much for being sure of one´s target... what will they say if it were determined that this WASN´T Dorner?
I realize that in all likelihood it is Dorner, but for crying out loud, what a thing to say! That the guy in the cabin "looked and behaved" like him, so what the heck, ´Break out the MP5, boys! Send in the tear gas!´

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Reply 7 - Posted by: bifgroovey, 2/13/2013 11:47:39 PM     (No. 9175245)

When Ronald Reagan was denied permission to fly over French airspace to attack Libya, the pilots "accidently" bombed the French embassy in Libya.


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Reply 8 - Posted by: Nevadadad46, 2/14/2013 12:06:13 AM     (No. 9175265)

I can usually tell when the "Authorities" are not telling the truth, the whole truth. they are not telling the whole truth on this one, at all! Why? A: They are terribly afraid of this case. The "Dorner Monster" scared them, embarrassed the administration in it´s try for destruction of individual 2nd amendment rights, and the LA cops behavior of shooting the two news paper delivery women was just an outrage of amateurish skittishness. In addition, the cops had a direct hand in creating Dorner´s Rampage! Another similar example is the East Hollywood shootout, LA cops left a whole lot unexplained after that disaster which they have not answered for to this very day. This one is going to be swept quickly under the rug as well. Watch how little we hear of it from now on. Case closed- they hope.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Ret.TxLeo, 2/14/2013 12:14:17 AM     (No. 9175273)

Careful #1, not Waco, Texas solution but Reno/Clinton Show. Waco, Texas had nothing to do with the burning down of the Davidian Branch. It is all on Janet Reno and Bill Clinton. And yeah...when you announce over the radio "Burn the M*&&^& F*&*&^& down" and then lob in incendiary devices...yeah that was your intent. Any officer trained in SWAT or Warrant Division knows when you toss those things, there is a better than 50/50 chance something is going up in flames due to environment.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: antidem, 2/14/2013 12:26:58 AM     (No. 9175280)

Good gosh look at the innocent people these cops fired on by mistake. Three other people were almost killed by police. They never intended to take him alive. I´m as much a law and order supporter as most conservatives, but there are plenty of dirty cops and Police Departments in Southern California are full of them.



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Reply 11 - Posted by: calgrammy, 2/14/2013 12:34:31 AM     (No. 9175286)

Between the last election and now the Dorner apologist and conspiracy wackos I have become truly disgusted with people. #2 I LIVE in Fullerton,and I trust them more than the whack jobs in the White House.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Random Noise, 2/14/2013 1:51:03 AM     (No. 9175324)

Here is a link to LAPD documents re Dormers initial BOR and his subsequent legal efforts to have his dismissal from LAPD reversed. Lots of interesting tidbits.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: TXknitter, 2/14/2013 2:30:17 AM     (No. 9175341)

The spin from the police spokespeople is distressing. Everyone remember what the authorities said LIVE on TV last Thursday? I do. The reporters asked if the Big Bear ski area would be SAFE for the weekend. They had received a good storm and ski resort surely needed the business. Well, he said ALL areas around the ski runs were perfectly safe. How could he say that. Public safety first my foot. Everyone is fortunate Dorner didn´t decide to go "hunting" skiers. How can they say there was no "intent" when we heard the scanner?

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Reply 14 - Posted by: jorgecito, 2/14/2013 2:48:20 AM     (No. 9175353)

#1, I too immediately thought of Waco when I heard about the "incendiary" tear gas rounds.

In another action reminiscent of Waco, the police used some kind of bull-dozer to break down the walls of the cabin in which Dorner was holed up.

Don´t get me wrong: Dorner richly deserved a painful death.

But the painful reminders of Waco, where many children were burnt to death, stir up terrible memories of government power run amok.

And remember who was really in charge of Waco:
Eric Holder, who was assistant AG, under Janet Reno, under BJ Clinton.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: SoCalGal, 2/14/2013 10:03:18 AM     (No. 9175804)

Here is an interesting article on the home - considerably larger than a "cabin" - where Dorner holed up. It was built by Bill Glass´s father after he returned from WWI, it was their family home, and he was raised in it. It would have been a lovely place for a boy to grow up.


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Reply 16 - Posted by: Old Army Vet, 2/14/2013 11:16:02 AM     (No. 9176014)

May not have been the intent but is sure did help.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: dvc, 2/14/2013 8:35:05 PM     (No. 9177142)

The difference between the military in a war and the police enforcing the laws is that the military immediately kills their opponents, no discussion. Theoretically, police arrest people, gather facts and turn this over to prosecutors to have courts decide guilt or innocence and punishment, if warranted.

As the police have more and more SWAT teams, they are steadily crossing into military behavior. This needs to be strenuously resisted. Dorner should have been waited out, or shot if he continued to shoot at them, but the concept of the police deciding on summary execution in cold blood should be chilling to all of us. They knew the incendiary gas rounds were very likely to burn down the building.

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