Jason Kissner recently questioned President Obama´s whereabouts in spring 1982, and also discussed in passing some of the courses Obama took while at Columbia. In response, I would like to try my hand at reconstructing the Columbia part of Obama´s college transcript based on the published record and my own knowledge of Columbia´s requirements as an ´84 graduate of the college. This reconstruction may be of interest to those who are curious about this part of Obama´s undergraduate education, and it may also shed light on where Obama must have been in spring 1982.
I´m really not feeling the assumptions in this article at all.
Who says Obama would have only taken and received 54 transfer credits from Occidental? That he wouldn´t have taken any language classes or other classes that Columbia would have accepted toward their core curriculum requirements?
I really see nothing offered that suggests otherwise, and no reason not to assume that at all.
You don´t play "plenty of pickup basketball and soccer" if you are serious about your studies and are taking a full course load. More than likely, jugears skipped a lot of classes and had somebody else do his work for him. That´s exactly how he operates today.
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Bad Dog, 2/11/2013 7:50:29 AM (No. 9169739)
I have some questions about the author´s logic as well.
Obama spent his early (formative) years in Malaysia.... why does the author assume the required foreign language class was Spanish? Seems to me Obama could have aced Arabic or whatever other southeast Asian/Pacific language he grew up with.
Second, why do we assume that Obama studied anything at all? He was fast-tracked through the progressive college/university system by his (many) progressive mentors. They needed an acceptable black - in his case, half-black - figurehead who could bring in the real American blacks, and not off-put American liberal whites.
Obama was groomed from this early age - possibly earlier - for the exact position he´s currently in..... (mis)leading the United States into self-destruction - their Utopian dream (or, as Mark Levin so aptly titled it, Ameritopia).
Reply 5, you have got it pegged - hammer meet nail head.
I tried reading the article, but got lost in all the college life stuff.
Since my education in such stuff ended at the 9th grade level, (I did 10 thru 12 in an apprentice program learning to establish a good connection between hands and brain in order to build something beneficial) the reading of said article was like eating one of those sinfully delicious white cookies loaded with too many academia nuts. The experience anesthetizes the taste and overwhelms the logical brain.
Oh, macadamia you say, OK - sorry ´bout that - and thanks, guess even an old dog can learn something new.
This article does nothing for me. The guy is speculating based upon his own experience, but filling in blanks, making assumptions - based upon things he doesn´t know for sure. Piling speculation upon speculation upon assumption.
5, most universities have language requirements that restrict you to certain languages. Not sure that Arabic or Indonesian would have been one of them in the early 1980s.
The rest of 5´s comments hold more water IMO -- the special-case argument. Universities have endless procedures for petitioning for variances from stated requirements/policies. That is where the smoking gun is in this case, I think.
FAR: ´´Seems to me Obama could have aced Arabic or whatever other southeast Asian/Pacific language he grew up with.´´
However, Obama denies the ability to speak any foreign language.
Yes, the author is speculating here, but he tells you that. Since the record is not made available, educated speculation is what we have. The speculation is reasonable, given the known requirements for graduation and the credit transfer limits. I am wondering if Obama even completed the requirements for graduation, or if he was given special dispensation and simply awarded a degree.... Nothing would surprise me about the actions of the political left.
No. 15. Yes, but it is exceedingly rare. The only case I can think of was a alumni of my law school who went on to become a US attorney during the Reagan administration. He was an undergrad of the same university and petitioned the university to be allowed to skip his fourth year of college for reasons of financial hardship.
#15, It is possible at certain law schools, but very few attempt it. Baylor Law School, for example, allows (or did when I was there) students to enroll in law school while finishing up their senior year at Baylor. As a practical matter, it would be extremely hard to do, as that first year (especially at Baylor) is all-consuming; no time for ANYTHING that didn´t involve law school. As to his purported 3.7 GPA but not graduating with honors, Columbia may not have given him a grade credit for classes taken at Occidental, just that he passed them. That is done at many 4-year schools. Your graduating GPA is what you made at the 4-year. Maybe Obama re-figured his GPA to include the Occidental scores and his lower Columbia scores to come up with a higher GPA than he actually had at Columbia.
No one had to try to piece together Bush´s academic career (or his father´s), or Clinton´s, or Reagan´s, or Carter´s, or Ford´s, or Nixon´s, or Johnson´s, or Kennedy´s, or Eisenhower´s, or Truman´s, or Roosevelt´s...
#5, you have stated what I have believed for a long time. B. Obama doesn´t carry himself as a college educated adult nor does he speak as one. He´s intellectually lazy and as we know from his Hawaiian HS experience he spent most of his time stoned. Same for Occidental.
My transcripts have all of the missing information that Obama´s don´t seem to have. I didn´t go to Columbia, but my college was pretty strict as to who graduated and who didn´t. The rules were/are clear. It´s funny, but from my HS graduating class, the washouts came back to our hometown college to live at home and re-organize. Since it was a state college they either succeeded or washed out again and traveled. Then they finally settled down and were successful. Nobody ´gave´ them the option of not attendind classes or would put up with ´disappearances´, especially parents. Well, we know he didn´t have engaged parents so where was his funding source. Even people that gave scholarships expected good grades. Apparently Obama´s funding sources didn´t really care.
We have plenty of academics, but none of them appear to be intelligent. They are very successful at brain washing. Obama and Democrats get excellent grades in that endeavor.
#21, that is entirely possible. I transferred to Georgetown University my sophomore year and studied abroad my junior year. All of my credits transferred with me, but not my GPA. I graduated with a 3.2, but I figured out it should have been a 3.6. Also, Columbia is not known as a language school, I truly doubt they offer Arabic even today. The well-known language schools in this country are Georgetown, Middlebury College in VT, and the Defense Language Institute in CA.
Were transfer students at Columbia required to complete the core curriculum requirements? It seems like that would be a big reason not to transfer there. The reasons why O transferred have always been murky. I truly doubt he had a 3.7 average. As others have said, why hide the transcript if that were the case.
With the grade point average he claims to have earned, Obama should have graduated at least Magna Cum Laude (if not Summa, especially in that era of post-sixties grade inflation.) Yet he is not on the Honors List. My guess is that he was at most 2.7 (about a 77% or C+ under the old grading system prevalent in universities pre-1968).
By the way, Bush One graduated Phi Bet Kappa from Yale. Where´s Obama´s Phi Beta Kappa Key?
Many universities, including the one where I work, will not allow transfer courses to count in your major. Courses in the major must be taken in residence. I would think Columbia would have such a policy, not don´t know for sure. Especially in the 80´s.
#27, as a graduate of Defense Language School I can tell you it´s all about the language. As a military operation there is no room for goofing off or missing classes. If you´re sick you´d better get yourself to sick call for a written excuse.
Very intense environment. The morning I woke up having actually dreamed in Russian I knew I was actually starting to ´get it´. BTW, the Red Cross was very clever in working with the leadership at DLI. Since skipping a day of class was a major no-no, and the students were under a great deal of pressure, the Red Cross would have a blood drive every six weeks. On a Friday. All donors were excused from classes for the entire day.
Needless to say, nearly the entire school of young, healthy people turned out to donate blood. The Red Cross hauled away gallons and gallons of blood and we all got a three day weekend. Win win situation.
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it must be a duck. Somebody or somebodies "chose" The Won to be groomed to ultimately work his magic. After four years from now all these questions will be answered. Sooner or later, the poseur will be revealed. Unfortunately, he has a lot of time to continue to disrupt, if not destroy, our Nation. It is blatantly obvious that he hates us. He hates America. He will revel in every opportunity to tweak our sensibilities. He is a juvenile bully, no more, no less.
Interesting point by Iachetta, an ´84 Columbia grad:
"Maraniss quotes Obama as saying that he graduated from Columbia [in ´83] with a 3.7 grade point average (Maraniss, 465). Based on my own experience, he would have graduated with honors if that were the case."
So Iachetta says that a Columbia senior graduating in ´84, with a 3.7 GPA, would´ve graduated with honors. Ergo, he seems to be saying, Obama should be boasting of having graduated with honors (assuming the same GPA standard was required for honors status a year earlier in ´83).
But not even the most ardent Obama image-maker claims that the Great Zero graduated with honors.
This should be easy for even a cub reporter to find out. And Maraniss´s book, with Obama´s claimed GPA, has been out for years now. But .... crickets.
good joke #9. ´ could not bear to read it so jumped right to the end. Talk about drilling down too far on a Corvair.
#28: There´s a chance it has been the Saudis all along, if you read the article on Luc a while back about what a postman overheard as he came into Bill Ayer´s delivery zone.
right #36. It just struck me how Obama is operated remotely, almost as a dumb terminal, akin to the way early Russian jet aircraft sorties that had no radar were said to be guided by the base control tower and their radar. Bamboozler was probably contacting his handlers during Mr Carson´s speech, asking for an assist, comrad.
One answer as to whythe Pres won´t cover obama´s non-record or flakey record is thatthe Press was doing thesame thing.The lefty profs were passing them thru or marking "Present" when the wre absent. Same also for the drone killings. the so-called intelligence community does not want the insurgents/terrorists back because they will reveal thedepth and pay-offs oft he fifth column. so they are killed.
"LIAR LIAR Pants on Fire"....Remember that kid from grade school who always lied about everything? THAT, my friends, is YOUR pResident!
Benghazi Libya--LIES 57 states-- LIES I´ll balance the budget-- LIES I wasnt born in Kenya-- LIES I was an A student-- LIES It was a video that caused Stevens murder-- LIES I dont smoke anymore--LIES My name is Barack Obama--LIES
Theres more but you get the drift, he´s that kid who lied all the time to impress or for whatever sick and twisted reason...and the rump-swab lap dog lefty liars in the ass-press enemedia and the Alinsky-loving fraud liars in academia laud him for his lies and give him a pass every damn day, ´cuz it takes one to know one!...tell me we arent in BIZARRO World!
Of course this all presupposes that Columbia and Harvard Law School admitted him without the required prerequisites and also graduated him fraudulently. They must have known all those years ago that he would be President and were in on the conspiracy from the beginning. Or Harvard is now letting him lie about Law School and letting him get away with it. This is nuts, you know.
This whole exercise is ridiculous. The guy who spent all that time trying to figure out Obama´s course schedule is the guy with the real problem.
#51 whats your problem? Why do you have to urinate all over 5 previous posts just to sound snarky and whiny?
Obama lies all the time, and the proof is when Trump offered him $5 million for his college transcripts. Wouldnt you show Donald your college transcripts for $5 million ? I sure would, as would everyone who posted here! Wise up!
So many of you have missed the point. Any college, and especially a prestigious one, is not going to allow a transfer student to parachute in, leave no footprints, and waltz away with a honored diploma granted by the institution.
Most colleges accept a very limited number of credits from a transfer, and the idea that Obama was able to complete all of the requirements in 2 years, is more than unlikely. And, doing so with no one noticing that he was even in class with them?
Didn´t I read somewhere that Bill Ayres, Sr. was associated with Columbia? There had to be an insider in the admissions dept.
I have some familiarity with college transfer procedure. Your credits only transfer if the school you are transferring into has a course that is roughly equivalent in rigor and content and grade level. It is quite possible to lose credits in a transfer, especially if the original institution has some sort of esoteric curriculum like the Great Books program at St. John´s College in Annapolis, MD. Grades and GPA never transfer. Your GPA at the new university depends totally on what you accomplish at that institution. At least that´s how we did it in the 60s and 70s.
#5, 26 and 51...Ayers was in New York one block away from Obama at the same time ...and I assume did Obama´s course work...
...as to Harvard Law, if your patron donated 25million on your behalf...you´re on easy street...and probably elected to be "the President of the Harvard Law Review" ...remember he wasn´t the editor...and that´s a difference with a distinction ...Obama didn´t compete for the position and it was convenient coincidence that the ACLU sued Harvard Law at just that time as no minorities had been head of their law review...
Want to thank someone for Obama..thank the Saudi Prince who paved and paid the way...and be certain to bow to him as Obama did...
#5, that probably earlier comment is intriguing...
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