The back-and-forth verbal jabs between former Bush White House deputy chief of staff Karl Rove, his deputies at American Crossroads and some of the conservative movement’s so-called “critically important figures” took another intense turn on Mark Levin’s radio show on Thursday, with Iowa Republican Rep. Steve King entering the fray. “[L]et me put something to you folks about Karl Rove — what a propagandist this man is,” Levin said at the end of his program.
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Johnny Angle, 2/8/2013 8:06:23 AM (No. 9165165)
To the contrary - Mark Levin is 100% correct. Rove is a threat to conservatism, hence the survival of this country. Rove is spewing hate against our best people, in order to maintain the RINO elite at Versailles on the Potomoc, including himself. If Rove wins, the Republican Party will be a permanent minority without meaning or principle.
No Nimby, Rove is, and has. You see the R by his name and go completely blind to the devastation he has wrought to the conservative vision for America, not to mention the R losses he has caused. I mean, are you Rove´s mama?
Whew, #3! The world as we know it will end if all conservatives don´t realize Karl Rove is the devil...or something like that? Take a deep breath. This country faces extinction, but Karl Rove is the least of our worries.
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god of irony, 2/8/2013 8:27:44 AM (No. 9165198)
Take a serious look at what he has done since 2000. No single person has done more to hurt conservatism than Karl Rove.
It started when his decision to sit on the Bush DUI story lead to the election fiasco. Then his strategery of hand picking moderate candidates cost us control of the house then the senate and the presidency.
Oh, give it a rest, the last post about GW having a drinking problem eons ago did not hurt GW and neither did Karl Rove do anything against the sainted (s/o) levin, greeneyed monster got to levin and makes him look like a fool. I have no idea why this is even considered newsworthy. levin would do well to help x out the dims and leave our donors alone.
This schism in the Republican Party has been in the making for years and it is not going to be bridged. Rove aggravated this with his words specifically targeting the Tea Party.
All those calling for focus and unity on defeating the democrats fail to understand that noone is going to be effective in defeating an opponent when they have no confidence in those standing beside or behind them. Rove has demonstrated he is happy to put a knife in the back of Conservatives.
It is a shame this situation exists because the party is comprised of great people but the leadership is only about themselves. People tout Cruz and Rubio has saviors. Guess what? Neither one has been there long enough to be immune to the corrupting forces. Seriously, Rubio is already joining forces with McCain, Graham, and Schumer.
So the rift will remain and the vitriol will get worse, and I am afraid the GOP has been fatally wounded.
Optimism motivates you to get out of bed. Realism puts food on your table.
I am flabergasted by all the Rove sycophants posting today. And yes, that last minute reveal about GW´s drinking problem from years ago, 3 days before election nearly cost him the election. I believe that is why we were subjected to the Florida decision from the Supremes. Bush never truly lived that down. Rove is a huge problem, and the quicker he is dealt with, the faster we can start taking back our party. Reagan would not have idly sat by and done nothing.
I´d say Rove´s bunch fired the first shot in this little dust-up. It´s been simmering for a long time and the Republicans on both sides are too polite, civilized and insipid to bring the discussion into the public arena. I´m happy to see just a little passion our of our side - furthermore I believe this is exactly the right time to get this out of our collective systems. Are we Constitution conservatives or is the party just another power-structure that seeks to do only what it takes to garner enough votes to keep the ruling class in the public eye so they can occasionally be voted into office.
It is better to handle the serpent in your own nest first. Rove and his ilk are akin to the Dem elites, just a different stripe.
Loyal Republicans who are still playing by the old paradigm are going to watch the GOP go up in flames and unless they open their eyes to see what happened, they will go to their graves lamenting the ´evil´ conservatives and the Tea Party, never quite understanding that unprincipled and power hungry individuals have been running the Republican Party for years. They have been playing you. Wake. The. Hell. Up.
There are none so blind as those who will not see.
Those who can´t stand Levin´s passion ( I´m married to one) don´t understand how much he loves this country , understands what´s at stake and how to fix it. If you take the time to read his books you will see why he is so fearful of a Karl Rove - an elitist ( yeah, I hear his drawl-get over it) who derives power from hearing himself called someone else´s brain.
#7 - Yes, our country faces extinction. Why is that? Because liberals in both parties spent us into oblivion trying to buy votes. They refuse to reform the entitlements, and the Republicans continuously sell us out and kick the can down the road.
Real Conservatives have offered solutions and people like Rove cut them off at the knees, so he and his ilk can remain at the trough. I will never give money to the RNC again, and Rove and his cronies are dead to me.
Tokyo Rove´s brilliance is responsible for Bush 43 nominating Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court. Rove is a menace who should be defunded by all patriotic, right-thinking Americans. What a monumental waste of hundreds of millions of precious resources went down in the last election! Third party or bust! RNC-phooey!
I love Mark Levin. I think he is a patriot BUT we part ways as far as his thinking about the republican party. Levin and Limbaugh have huge audiences and they have done as much to divide the republican party as Obama and his ilk have. I would much rather have seen them handle things as Hannity did. I felt Hannity was extremely fair to all that were trying to get the GOP nod and did not show favortism. They hammered Romney during the primaries then once he secured the nomination it was less than enthusiastic support for the man. Espcially Levin. Say what you want about the democrat party but they rally behind their candidate and until we begin to do that we are finished as a party.
I am becoming convinced, # 18, that many of the Loyal Republicans have their eyes wide open and they like what they are seeing. Their pseudo-placatory comments and soothing platitudes are nothing more than ill disguised attempts to keep conservatives on the plantation a little longer because they know full well that if we leave before they have garnered enough moderates and fed-up dems their party is sunk.
In short, we are the ones being played.
I say it´s time for a new game and new rules. Conservatism wins when its message is clearly understood. If the Republican Party can´t - or won´t - articulate that message then we need a new messenger. Don´t let them tell us that it can´t be done when what they mean is that they don´t want it done. Don´t forget the House revolution of 2010. That was brought about by conservatives. We only got in trouble when we let The Party carry our message, believing that we were all on the same team. It is clear now that we are not.
We can win. But not with coaches and managers who do not believe in us and won´t let us play our best game.
Dr. Levin is right. Rove is despised by the grassroots. And why do I suspect that the usual suspects here don´t even listen to the show? I know I´m right and you know I´m right. As Levin would say, "Get off the phone, you big dope."
Karl Rove didn´t help the Republicans to gain any sweeping victories. He gave us "skin-of-the-teeth" victories, and we all know how that played out in 2000. Rove looked absolutely ridiculous and panicked on election night last November. He was so sure that Romney would win. Then came the Ohio results. And there was Rove fumbling around in disbelief.
Rove is desperately trying to be relevant. I could care less what he has to say; he´s not the least big enlightening. We don´t need his advice or his little whiteboard.
The future of the Republican Party is at stake right now and it is people like Rove who are taking it down. They are pushing candidates who will consolidate RINO power around THEM. If you care about the country get on board to take it back.
After the 2008 election the GOP barely existed and no one was upset about it. McConnell said on camera the GOP was really just a regional southeast group. The only reason anyone started to talk about the GOP again was because of the Tea Party. The GOP did not want the people we gave them in Nov. 2010, moved from day one to crush them and did. The GOP today has no ideology. They can´t describe why they´re much better than democrats. They don´t want their candidates to differentiate themselves from democrats. They want big gov. just as much. What more do you need to see that this is pointless? Mark Levin talks about what has been obvious to me for a long time, which is that the entire GOP establishment must leave the public stage if we´re to have a chance of saving this country. Rove is just one. Roger Ailes is Rove´s enabler. It all must be dealt with because there´s no choice.
For all you Mark Levin bashers who don´t even listen to his program , here is my response on a Karl Rove thread from yesterday. I listen to Mark daily. STOP bashing HIM!!
Rove had a hand in spreading rumors about the other candidates and not offering any support to the candidacy of anyone OTHER than Romney. NIght after night on Fox. The same old tired reasons from him and Ann Coulter why Romney was the ONLY one that had the credibility to stop Obama. Yeah, right....Romneycare cred. No going- on- the- offense cred regarding Benghazi. I´ll never forget the look on his face in the Candy Crowley debate....."really Mr. President?" Mitt said with the look of disbelief on his face and then the entire subject was DROPPED!!!!! This is in part why Hillary got to escape criticism at her hearing. If there had been a cogent drum beat of BENGHAZIGATe, these creeps would not have gotten away with murder. Karl Rove was too busy calculating numbers on his "white board" on how much of a landslide Romney would win by. Jackwagon. No use for him whatsoever.
I like listening to Levin most of the time (though I don´t learn much from him that I don´t already know). But stuff like this makes him look like a slightly less dyspeptic Michael Savage. Remember, Mark, a house divided against itself cannot stand--you are doing the same thing you accuse Rove of doing.
#36 thank you for saying what I was trying to say. This is exactly how I feel. As a party we need to pull it together or we will not win another presidential election. The circular firing squad we have going on is doing the dems dirty work for them.
Levin is one of the main reasons for the low turn out of conservatives for Romney. His initial vitirol against Romney coupled with his reluctant support after the nomination did more to elect Obama than anything Karl Rove did.
I agree with Mark Levin, Rove can take his white board and go home. This rhetoric of circular firing squads is ridiculous. Rove has been lining up Conservative candidates against political walls and using his influence and PACs as the firing squads.
Karl Rove has slandered and destroyed way too many Conservatives running for office.
The best thing about an article like this is that is once again shows who the Moderates are and who the Conservatives are on L.COM. I enjoy reading the Moderates posts blaming Rush, Levin and Conservatives in general for all the ills of the GOP. The Moderates out number the Conservatives so we get candidates like McCain and Romney. Then when Conservatives disagree with said Moderates we are the bad guys. We are suppose to just go along with the Moderates. Sounds like the Lefts talking points. I realize the Moderates despise Conservatives but when you continue to poke us in the eye and then get mad when we don´t see how you are correct and we are the problem, well, tough luck.
What #43 said. IMO, we need look no further than some of the comments about what is going on in the Republican party. No wonder the demonrats are hysterical with laughter at the infighting in the GOP. Even Marco Rubio gets hammered for talking of "immigration". It´s no wonder we continue to lose elections. I agree #7, but it´s just so much fun to denigrate Republicans who are not at 110% agreement with the "true" Conservatives in the once grand old party. There is no hope as long as outside interests are running the GOP, and I don´t mean Karl Rove.
I don´t think the GOP knows how close it is to becoming the Whig party of the 21st century which is amazing really.
There is huge part of the party that has basically said enough is enough. They have held their nose since GH Bush and voted for the establishment candidate. In return their ideas and themselves are ignored and mocked. However, they are suppose still sing kumbaya with the very people that take their donations and support candidates opposed to their core beliefs.
I come from a strong Republican family but my allegiance is the Constitution and not the party. The party no longer cares about the Constitution and what it represents. Since it doesn´t represent the Constitution it doesn´t represent me.
I say let it all rip. Both sides argue loud and long and make your points. The rest of us will decide what we think and what we believe.
We are upside down in this country, so passion for a direction is a very good thing.
Most days I feel as if the First Amendment is hanging by a spider´s web thread, so say everything and anything you want about the direction for the country as long as we have the Constitutional to support free speech.
Not surprising that the "Rovers" are also the primary Palin haters on this site. So, I guess it´s OK for you to hate and destroy a fellow Republican, but not OK for the rest of us to do the same?
Rove is a proven loser, he needs to sit down, shut up, and get out of the way. It´s pathetic the way he and his ilk hang onto their power, and how any serious Conservative can give him any is beyond me.
I am a Palin supporter. My problem here is not with Rove; it is with Levin. Why does speak with such vitriol at Republicans? He can disagree with Rove without the nastiness. Is that really who he is--Savage Jr.? I thought he was better than that, too.
# 50, You may have missed American Crossroads spokesman Jonathan Collegio´s vitriolic and dismissive comments toward Brent Bozell and several other well known conservatives.
As a Palin supporter you are certainly also aware of the vitriol aimed at her by her fellow Republicans. An above poster has it absolutely right. This is not a circular firing squad; Conservatives have been fired upon and now those that fired on us are angry because, instead of ducking for cover and raising the white flag, we are firing back.
#1 and #2 and those that agree are wrong. What has electing RINOs gotten us? NOTHING but the same as the liberals deal us, just a little slower. They do not fight for the constitution or try to represent us. They only care about reelection and political preservation for themselves. We have to fight this battle, too, at every primary.
#18 & #30 are insightful. While the rank and file is conservative, the R leadership, most emphatically, is not and has never been. The GOP and its POTUS nominees, w/the exception of Coolidge and Reagan; have always been secular, progressive and corporatist which is why they have no problem w/big government and high taxes; despite the usual election year sanctimony. This long overdue fight is between principle and principal. Predictably, the usual suspects trot out their banalities about ´the eleventh commandment, we gotta win, circular firing squad´ etc. Reality is simple. One is either a principled conservative first or one is a republican. They are as mutually exclusive as a Catholic Muslim.
We conservatives have our core values and if we falter, and compromise on our core beliefs, we are no better than the democrats. GW Bush ran on being a "compassionate conservative"..which was a slap at conservatives..as if we were NOT compassionate..that started me watching his campaign very carefully. I am with Levin all the way..we either take back our party to conservative, basic values, or the party is dead. Moderates, or middle of the road people end up as road kill. Stand for something you believe in. Lower taxes Smaller Government Family values More businesses and jobs
If you don´t have core principles, you have nothing.
Rove only cares about Rove´s bank account. If you are behind, and your group is REALLY determined to win, they will give you more money to make it happen. When it doesn´t, and things get worse, you need even more money from those people that REALLY want to win. Rinse. Repeat. Wake UP!
The fight for control of the Republican Party has to happen; there really isn´t any alternative. It is easier and faster for actual conservatives to take control of the Republican Party than to start a 3rd. It may not work, but the present course is definitely not working.
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