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Top Democrat warns against
using term ´illegal immigrants´

Washington Times, by Stephen Dinan

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Posted By:KarenJ1, 2/5/2013 11:44:42 AM

Opening the first immigration hearing of the new Congress, the top Democrat on the Judiciary Committee warned his colleagues not to use the term "illegal immigrant" as the debate goes on. "I hope no one uses the term illegal immigrants here today. Our citizens are not — the people in this country are not illegal. They are are out of status. They are new Americans that are immigrants," said Rep. John Conyers Jr., Michigan Democrat. As Congress begins the immigration debate, both sides are preparing for an emotionally charged fight, and language will be one of the battlegrounds.

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This is even worse than the other article I posted. The people in this country are not illegal?? This is why dealing with Democrats is fruitless. They are so delusional they have no credibility whatsoever and have no desire to uphold the rule of law.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: enuf8, 2/5/2013 11:53:27 AM     (No. 9159793)

Well, perhaps it´s time to call them ILLEGAL ALIENS. The comment by Conyers is just D.C´s. P.C. crowd´s stupidity.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: thethirdruffian, 2/5/2013 11:54:19 AM     (No. 9159797)

They prefer:

"undocumented low information voters"

or

"undocumented democrats."

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Reply 3 - Posted by: tnorling, 2/5/2013 11:55:11 AM     (No. 9159798)

Puts me in mind of my liberal acquaintances who correct me when I refer to them as "pro-abortion." Oh, no no, it´s "pro-choice." Uh-huh.

This kind of semantic pussy-footing is depressing and demoralizing, particularly so coming from an elected official and member of the government. I´m not going to take the low road and do what a liberal would do and question his intelligence, but...

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Reply 4 - Posted by: iamtinman, 2/5/2013 11:57:19 AM     (No. 9159806)

They are aliens who have entered this country in violayion of our laws Mr Conyers. Why shouldn´t we call them what, in fact, they are?

It´s amazing how many of the people we elect to govern this country can be so obtuse!

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Cleanhousein2012, 2/5/2013 11:57:40 AM     (No. 9159808)

Breaking law = illegal

Let´s call a spade a spade.


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Reply 6 - Posted by: Scribelus, 2/5/2013 11:58:04 AM     (No. 9159809)

I´m torn between "alien invaders" and "larval Socialist voters".

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Reply 7 - Posted by: iamtinman, 2/5/2013 11:58:38 AM     (No. 9159814)

Sorry, "violation" brain runs faster than my one finger typing!


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Reply 8 - Posted by: krause, 2/5/2013 12:00:21 PM     (No. 9159819)

So, a terrorist who just walked across the Mexican border is a ´new American?´

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Davids918, 2/5/2013 12:00:24 PM     (No. 9159820)

You are here legally, or not.

Do Democrats care if people are entering the country legally?

And he wants to simply say "they´re out of status"?

Isn´t that saying "they don´t have legal status to be in this country"?



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Reply 10 - Posted by: JAN, 2/5/2013 12:01:26 PM     (No. 9159823)

I agree. They are homeland invaders.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: veritas, 2/5/2013 12:02:11 PM     (No. 9159829)

I agree!

They are illegal aliens. And there´s no excuse for them to be here 20 days after a deportation order, much less 20 years plus like Uncle On-drunk-o.

All: I cannot urge you more strongly to read closely George Orwell´s superb essay, "Politics and the English Language," and his "Appendix" to "1984."

Controlling the language of the debate means determining the outcome of the debate. Forget that at your peril!

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Attercliffe, 2/5/2013 12:02:36 PM     (No. 9159834)

They are illegal aliens!!! I had a green card--I was a legal alien. Call them "out of status"? How about calling me "out of patience"? Will I be referred to as "in status" now I´m a citizen? What a stupid meaningless, bureacratic term! I´m going to call myself what I am--formerly a legal alien, now a US Citizen who followed all the rules, jumped through all the hoops and paid a significant amount of money to become a citizen. As for "out of statusers," how about "OOSers" for short? Yeah, I like that!

Oh, this makes me so angry I have steam coming out my ears, just like the alleged smoke from alleged Obama´s alleged rifle. A pox on all of ´em!

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Reply 13 - Posted by: lakerman1, 2/5/2013 12:03:42 PM     (No. 9159838)

Conyers, whose wife marcia may still be incarcerated at a federal prison, by the way, is using Orwellian language modification.
If we no longer call an illegal immigrant illegal, but a ´citizen´ as he seem to do, then there is no reason for border protection or citizenship procedures.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: redwhite&blue2, 2/5/2013 12:05:11 PM     (No. 9159842)

"They are out of status".......How I wish that was the description of Democrats, liberals, lefties, whatever you want to call them.How in blazes did they acquire so much power? They are freakin´ nutjobs! Demented! Sick in the head! And liars! Idiots like Kerry, Reid, Pelosi, Biden, Schumer, Barry Soetoro, Carney, the Clintons......How did this happen to our once great nation? The USA has become the DSA(Divided States of America) and this old veteran is ready to lock and load and fight to get her back!


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Reply 15 - Posted by: thethirdruffian, 2/5/2013 12:06:46 PM     (No. 9159849)

Criminal Aliens?

Migrant Criminals?

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Reply 16 - Posted by: mitzi, 2/5/2013 12:11:21 PM     (No. 9159864)

I also prefer the illegal alien designation.

I´m hoping one day to refer to Conyers as the former Representative.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: aasilver, 2/5/2013 12:15:01 PM     (No. 9159870)

What can we expect from ´law breaker´ Conyers?

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Reply 18 - Posted by: sgtfox of the jarhead clan, 2/5/2013 12:17:13 PM     (No. 9159874)

English is a complicated language. Many words can confuse and actually have opposite meanings. Progressive is also often confused with progress. Progress and Congress should never be used in the same sentence. Democrat and Democracy also confuse those who think Democrats want Democracy. I guess now if you are standing inside the borders of America you are considered an American by royal decree.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: leesum, 2/5/2013 12:27:13 PM     (No. 9159901)

“He who controls the language controls the masses”. – Saul Alinsky in Rules for Radicals.
Conyers is saying this to control the language or the terminology. He knows that they are here illegally. We on the right should learn how to control the language or at least continue to use the non-pc language.


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Reply 20 - Posted by: fritzilou, 2/5/2013 12:28:28 PM     (No. 9159903)

We must observe the Democrat dictat of the proper use of language; we must observe their wishes as they are the arbitors of what is politically correct. I bow to their superior knowledge.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: TXspyder, 2/5/2013 12:32:08 PM     (No. 9159911)

Criminal invaders, unlawful foreign occupiers.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: bighambone, 2/5/2013 12:36:53 PM     (No. 9159928)

The words "alien" and "immigrant" are defined words in the immigration laws. Generally the word "alien" is defined as any person who is not a citizen or national of the USA, and the word "immigrant" is generally defined as any alien, other then an alien here on a temporary visa, who is allowed to live and work here in accordance with the immigration laws.

It is clear that any alien who is here outside the immigration laws is here illegally, and cannot meet the lawful definition of being an immigrant. That´s why they have commonly been referred to as illegal aliens.

By using other and "nicer" terms to refer to illegal aliens, the Democrats are usually trying to fool most people who know little or nothing about the immigration laws, especially by lumping the legal immigrant population together with illegal aliens by referring to the all as being immigrants.

In the case of especially Mexicans who are living and working in the USA illegally, most are not immigrants, but are actually migrants who come here for economic purposes. Those Mexicans are happy and proud to be Mexicans, and wish to be able to live and work here with dignity, and be able to come and go from the USA as they choose. They could care less about the US immigration laws, the borderline, and US sovereignty issues related to them being here.

If those Mexicans were allowed to simply stay here, work, and travel back and forth to Mexico most would be very happy. The only entities who want to make all those millions of Mexicans US citizens are the Democrats, and their political allies, the many very liberal ethnic and immigrant rights groups who look at every illegal alien as being a potential new Democrat voter.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: Teleologicus, 2/5/2013 12:40:24 PM     (No. 9159934)

“If language is not correct, then what is said is not what is meant; if what is said is not what is meant, then what must be done remains undone; if this remains undone, morals and art will deteriorate; if justice goes astray, the people will stand about in helpless confusion. Hence there must be no arbitrariness in what is said. This matters above everything.” - Confucius. See http://www.analects-ink.com/mission/Confucius_Rectification.html for more.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: dittohead, 2/5/2013 12:43:52 PM     (No. 9159949)

How about we call them criminals or felons? I like that much better myself.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: nimby, 2/5/2013 12:48:51 PM     (No. 9159963)

And this MORON was elected by voters in Michigan? No doubt the state is down in the dumps!

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Reply 26 - Posted by: andyboy, 2/5/2013 12:49:57 PM     (No. 9159967)

OK -- "criminals".

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Reply 27 - Posted by: belwhatter, 2/5/2013 12:54:53 PM     (No. 9159985)


#12 ditto - I hated being a resident alien having to report in to the local post office every January - but at least I was here legally with my greencard. Now, I am an ABC - American By Choice, a citizen and proud to be so.
the word Immigrant must be prefaced by the correct descriptor, which is either legal or illegal for any imntelligent discussion to take place.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: jasmine, 2/5/2013 1:02:59 PM     (No. 9160006)

I never say illegal immigrant. Immigration to the US is a legal process with rules and responsibilities. I just say illegal alien. Or illegals.

Illegal entry involves ongoing and deliberate deception, lying, cheating, false identities, identity theft, and job stealing, none of which are benign and all of which are harmful to our national interest.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: lilo, 2/5/2013 1:19:06 PM     (No. 9160045)

What´s wrong with invaders?

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Reply 30 - Posted by: chumley, 2/5/2013 1:26:51 PM     (No. 9160056)

So the drug dealer on the corner is an "out of status pharmacist"?

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Reply 31 - Posted by: capt scurvey, 2/5/2013 1:46:40 PM     (No. 9160093)

Nobody would ever mistake Conyers for college material...

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Reply 32 - Posted by: philly_patriot, 2/5/2013 2:04:45 PM     (No. 9160142)

ILLEGAL ALIENS .................... AKA criminal border evaders.

I guess it´s too late for the border patrol to start shooting them on sight.


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Reply 33 - Posted by: hershey, 2/5/2013 2:08:29 PM     (No. 9160150)

They sneak across the border, they broke the law, they are criminals, and illegals....

What part of that don´t you understand???

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Reply 34 - Posted by: snowoutlaw, 2/5/2013 2:14:47 PM     (No. 9160167)

A spade is a spade. Illegal is all I use, no immigrant or alien, just 100% illegal. By definition they are not not Americian Citizens.

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Reply 35 - Posted by: reilly, 2/5/2013 2:30:53 PM     (No. 9160199)


Conyers wants to do to America what he´s done to Detroit.


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Reply 36 - Posted by: Blue-Z-Anna, 2/5/2013 3:11:47 PM     (No. 9160269)

If you can´t possibly win the debate then you must re-define the language.

Shakespeare was right.

Including those who have "surrendered" their law licences for reasons well hidden.

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Reply 37 - Posted by: enemyofthestate, 2/5/2013 4:46:58 PM     (No. 9160404)

Allrighty then, Conyers, would "fence jumper" make ya feel better?

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Reply 38 - Posted by: saguni, 2/5/2013 6:23:43 PM     (No. 9160535)

Criminal alien invaders.

There is already a simple, straight-forward "path to citizenship" and has been for decades.

It begins in the country of their birth with an application for a visa.

Anything else is a crime--even if one considers it a "code violation," like a parking ticket--and should not be rewarded with amnesty ahead of those following the rules.

How many legs does a dog have, if you call the tail a leg...he still has four, and aliens who do not follow the rules are still illegals, criminal alien invaders!

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Reply 39 - Posted by: steph_gray, 2/5/2013 6:47:38 PM     (No. 9160551)

Yes #30 - and a murderer is just an "out of status" policeman. A rapist is just an "out of status" bridegroom.

A thief is just an out-of-status IRS agent. No, wait. That one´s true.

And Conyers is an out-of-brains nitwit.

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Reply 40 - Posted by: Udanja99, 2/5/2013 7:19:14 PM     (No. 9160587)

Invading parasites works for me.

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