A confidential Justice Department memo concludes that the U.S. government can order the killing of American citizens if they are believed to be “senior operational leaders” of al-Qaida or “an associated force” -- even if there is no intelligence indicating they are engaged in an active plot to attack the U.S. The 16-page memo, a copy of which was obtained by NBC News, provides new details about the legal reasoning behind one of the Obama administration’s most secretive and controversial polices: its dramatically increased use of drone strikes against al-Qaida suspects, including those aimed at American citizens,
Key words: "...if they are BELIEVED to be..." -- Not "if they are proven to be". That should frighten everyone. I know of so many instances where the U.S. Government has framed people they considered dangerous to their agenda. That isn´t just about the well-known cases like Ruby Ridge or Waco. It includes many instances that most people don´t know about. People who have challenged the legality of income tax, people who happened to own more guns than the government wants to allow, peoplw who have challenged the authority or validity of office holders, whistle-blowers, etc. Yes, they will frame you, saturate the media with false information about you, falsify records, and do whatever ot takes to make you an "enemy of the state" if they feel threatened in any way.
If this was restricted to Americans actively participating in a plot on America,it would be one thing(I still don´t agree with this policy) but Obama and his anti-right wing zealots could easily evolve this policy towards non alqueda detractors on American soil.
People who cling to the bible and Constitution are every bit as evil to the left as radical islamists.
What gets me is the liberal hypocrisy which gives Gitmo detainees the best legal counsel,while killing others without a formal complaint or trial.
I don´t think Saddam got a fair trial,he was railroaded from the beginning but he was out of our jurisdiction.
Obama,who promised to close Gitmo,doesn´t want to take any more prisoners there because that´s too much like Bush,so he kills them instead. Why didn´t they shoot BinLaden with a knock out dart and bring him to trial?
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lil dotty, 2/5/2013 3:26:38 AM (No. 9159009)
Well, many of WTP know who Al Quida operatives are on US soil. The majority would be found in DC....even in the oval office. Would suggest the drone strikes begin there. And this fool wishes to take our guns as he and his goons prepare to kill us with drone strikes. Let us not forget that US forces are being asked if they would fire upon US CITIZENS. Does anyone feel safer yet?
So it starts with "American citizens if they are believed to be “senior operational leaders” of al-Qaida or “an associated force” -- even if there is no intelligence indicating they are engaged in an active plot to attack the U.S.".
How long until this rule is relaxed to American citizens believed to be senior operational leaders "of the opposition".
Eventually this degrades to American citizens less equal than other citizens.
Remember the good ´ol days of due process? Before someone could just affirm you acted stupidly and were then and forever automatically guilty? Before straw men attacks were dismissed as such and no one took them seriously? When "always question authority" was one of the standard practices of the mainstream press?
Obama and Holder have got their boots on our necks and now they are going to finish us off if given the provocation. When the DHS becomes fully gunned up, look out. Perhaps the delivery of those 7000 assault weapons is the only thing holding them up. The DHS has certainly purchased enough ammo in preparation for something.
Imagine for a moment that this policy had been posed by Bush-Rumsfeld-Alberto Gonzalez. The Democrats and MSM would be going crazy, and would be demanding impeachment. But as has been proven conclusively with Obama´s regime, the leftists really aren´t anti-war or pro civil liberties and due process. They just used those poses as weapons against their real enemies...Republicans.
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Bad Dog, 2/5/2013 7:45:04 AM (No. 9159197)
Much wisdom here.
The pro-regressives are in the active and expedited process of redefining everything we know. ´´...an associated force....´´ is part of that redefinition.
WE ***assume*** an associated force would be a taliban- or other group with known or discovered ties to AQ - AQ in the Magreb, for instance.
And they´ve already determined, a few years ago, that returning veterans are potential domestic terrorists.
There´s not much of a line to be drawn from point A to point B, and conclude that any American with a verboten gun or soldier in their family is ´´associated´´ with the world´s most known ´´terrorist´´ group.
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Bad Dog, 2/5/2013 7:48:33 AM (No. 9159202)
P.S. to #12:
The fact that it was NBC that released this article, via Michael Isikoff of all people (hello? blue dress?).... should be a big clue for all of us, for something..... NBC just does not report news any more.
Throw in the fact the congress voted in the constitution busting NDAA, all the hollow point ammo being bought, skippy´s exec. order allowing him to call martial law even during peace time, the speech skippy gave about having a "civilian national security force as big and well funded as the military", to meet his objectives, whatever hell those might be, the current gun grab going on, I would have to say we are living in some extremely dangerous times.
So, king obama and his minions truly do rule the usa. As for the left in this country? A huge guffaw to any outrage they express in the future. They do not have a leg to stand on. Cost saving device.....fire congress and the supreme court, they are gutless and useless.
He knows my address. If he directs it to my front door he will have murdered a God-fearing taxpayer and patriot. I would glady be a martyr to get him as quickly to hell as possible. He may take a few of us out, but he will pay an eternal price for doing it.
14 asks if they can be killed on American soil. Why not? That´s holder´s jurisdiction. I ask: what if an American believed to be “senior operational leader(s)” happens to be in London at the time? Or how about Tel Aviv? What if they are conveniently near, say, Bibi? All kinds of alleys for the Half-blood Prince to explore.
A free and innocent person would have to consider the ramifications of an unconfirmed legal opinion of this sort. Was the same type of logic used to illegally transport 2000 guns to Mexico that resulted in the deaths of 300 people south of the border and people in the USA. Considering that neither Holder or Obama are in jail, I guess that murder is now legal in DC, something the Constitution frowns upon.
There was no due process for those people nor is there for this decision by people who consider themselves above the law. This is Waco taken to a new level and it is provocative to the extreme and every citizen should feel threatened by these people.
The leftist media is mainly concerned with not appearing hypocritical, and secondly in the image of obama, insofar as it reflects on them. They don´t give a rat about due process or collateral deaths from strikes.
It´s information like this that makes me to continuously state that it´s time for another revolution. And the sooner the better. I still believe that there is a majority of Americans that want to live in a land of freedom.
An absolutely insane, out of control, lawless Administration with no concept of justice or due legal process. And as we are all aware, the collateral damage, that is, innocents injured or killed, means nothing to them. The end justifies the means, even if the end is unjustified or erroneous. All in my opinion. What a mess this Country has voted into office. And WHY is the video creator that was used as a subterfuge in the Benghazy incident still in jail. Has he no legal representation. What goes ??
I´m with #36. The overflow crowds at the gun shows have renewed my confidence that the American Spirit is still widespread across the land. Obama does not recognize our Constitution, we don´t have to recognize his laws.
As Rush just pointed out, this means that Nixon could have legally ordered the assassination of Bill Ayers and I would add, Bernandine Dohrn, Eldridge Cleaver, Bobby Seale...hell maybe even Jane Fonda. Wow. Aint no more liberty kids. It´s over. I´m kind of with Hillary. What difference, at this point, does it make?
FTA "... believed to be “senior operational leaders” of al-Qaida or “an associated force” -- even if there is no intelligence indicating they are engaged in an active plot to attack the U.S."
Talk about who is engaged in a plot to attack the U.S., it´s this regime - dare not call it and administration. This from someone touted to be a constitutional lawyer (really a fill-in for the prof) who is secretly on the take from the Mo Bro.
Even if they eventually take out a terrorist, think of the collateral damage. Hmmm - place and "operative" longing to die for allah who is near some American citizen they hate and boom!
So many posters here have great input - I am scared for what is going to happen. Waco and Ruby Ridge are not that long ago.
#40 ... since the Constitution seems to be a document up for discussion by the current Regime, I wouldn´t put a lot of faith in a memo they issue with their "legal case." Because tomorrow, we might fit the definition of terrorist and therefore, the original memo which says it´s for foreign sites can be revised to include domestic terrorists.
You know, those pesky right-to-life folks who clog up the sidewalks outside the abortionist (ie, Democrat donor/recipient of government largess under grants and Obamacare) clinic might be a good problem to solve with a drone or two.
In fact, this morning, at our Christian school where I work (in a rural area), we had the loud noise of government helicopters overhead ... real close overhead. (There is a USAF auxiliary landing field nearby, so it´s not uncommon but this one was so close, the building shook.)
Like they say, even if you´re paranoid, it doesn´t mean nobody´s following you...
Do Drones make airplane noises? Do they fly at night? are they able to fly at different speeds? Where I live there is a curfew on the area airports. I am pretty sure it is 11pm. It is not the local big city P.D. helicopter patrol. But late, after 1 a.m, I hear some planes overhead. Are these the drones?
This thread is one heck of a panic button push. One Obe and Justice wants floating fast and furious because sacred peasants lose the ability to fight. Are we to become those scared peasants? Obe not so intelligent should learn that assassination by drone is stupid as he did not build those drones someone else did. Someone who can control them without his permission. He should also learn that he who assassinates by any means faces the same finish. That is why the USA banned assassination --especially after John F. kennedy.
Not mentioned by Mr. Isikoff of NBC NEWS, but also contained in the sixteen-page Confidential Justice Department Memo were the areas strictly "off limits" to any drone attacks...South Philly, West Miami, South Chicago, Congresswoman Waters´s Watts District, ACLU Offices, Camden, Georgetown Suburbs, East St. Louis, Congressman Rangel´s District, Union Halls, Mosques............
We have drones flying over our cattle ranch for months. My husband has been unsuccessful in shooting them down. What useful purpose does spying on our farm have? Adolf Obamawannajihad flaunts his disregard for the constitution with impunity. The ship of the traditional American way of life has sailed folks, aided by those so-called conservative leaders. It´s time to stock up on weapons, ammo and food and prepare for war. It´s only a matter of time before they come for white, Christian Americans to place us in camps in Western Arizona.
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