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Topic: Rove´s ´No More Akins´Group Outrages Conservatives |
Rove´s ´No More Akins´Group Outrages Conservatives
The Atlantic Wire, by Elspeth Reeve
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Posted By:Rakasha, 2/4/2013 12:34:43 PM
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Karl Rove´s American Crossroads has started a new group to make sure the 2014 Senate races produce zero Todd Akins. But it turns out some conservatives like Rove less than Akin. The Conservative Victory Project will spend money in Republican primaries to defeat far-right candidates, The New York Times´ Jeff Zeleny reported this weekend. (snip)But conservatives noted that establishment Republicans who didn´t talk about rape lost, too. Headline split by staff
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Reply 1 - Posted by:
stablemoney, 2/4/2013 12:37:41 PM (No. 9157683)
When Rove gets a no more democrats group, let me know.
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
graniteman2009, 2/4/2013 12:44:07 PM (No. 9157701)
The GOP needs to get rid of idiots like Akins. Focus on what we need to do. next thing is to organize a ground game.
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
Emerson, 2/4/2013 12:46:19 PM (No. 9157704)
Liberals like Elspeth salivate over the Republicans dividing, which happens all the times these days.
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
MisterDickens, 2/4/2013 12:56:40 PM (No. 9157735)
I don´t necessarily disagree with you, #2, but not every Republican destroyed by the left for a simple slip of the tongue or for pointing out the truth is an idiot.
George Allen Sarah Palin Dan Quale and on and on...
We should not be so quick to help the left do that to us and it sounds a little like Rove is doing exactly that. I also don´t think Rove and his buds really care about what their activity results in as long as they make big bucks doing it.
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
GreatPlains, 2/4/2013 1:07:33 PM (No. 9157753)
In the original NYT interview , Steven J Law said “We don’t view ourselves as being in the incumbent protection business, but we want to pick the most conservative candidate who can win.” How dare they ! As Jim DeMint is quoted as saying -he would rather be in the minority and not sacrifice his principles, than to be in the majority. The left and some on the right are purposefully distorting the comments and aim of the new PAC. And happily pitting one faction of the Republican party against another. The media , on both sides , always plays the right like a fiddle. The far right is predictably going to expend energy in a fury at this Republican PAC , when they should be expending energy at Democrats. The Conservative Victory Group said their goal is to field the most electable conservatives to run in the primaries. The far right should say -That´s our goal, too. But, No-they announce that their goal is to defeat Rove and Law and the Conservative Victory Group. In 21 months , Democrats just need to flip 17 more House seats to retake control and give Obama free reign for his last two years. Well played media and Democrats.
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
CentralFLMom, 2/4/2013 1:08:27 PM (No. 9157756)
Mr. Rove is a hypocrite of the worst kind. He claims to love Republican values but hates real conservativism. He and his RINO posse have seriously damaged the Republican brand, and they need to go (to the Democrats where they belong). It´s time for real conservatives to take back the Party by standing up and pledging support to leaders like Palin, Akins, Limbaugh, Engel, and O´Donnell.
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
civilservant, 2/4/2013 1:10:08 PM (No. 9157762)
"It seems to me, first of all, from what I understand from doctors, that is really rare. If it´s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down," Akin said. "But let´s assume that maybe that didn´t work or something. I think there should be some punishment, but the punishment ought to be on the rapist and not attacking the child."
TA was relating info told to him. He equivocates (´To try´) and the Right piled on him, as opposed to grabbing the narrative and rebutting the calumny of the Left.
If he was TOTALLY wrong, there would be no such a thing as ´miscarriages´.
No, we went after the wrong people. Once again, we did the heavy lifing for the Left.
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
lana720, 2/4/2013 1:11:32 PM (No. 9157763)
How about schooling our candidates on how to respond to gotcha´ questions. Such as, "Since I do not totally agree with the premise of your question, as stated, I will not honor it with a reply." Rove has turned into a RINO of the worst kind; one able to raise $$$ from the easily swayed or those corporations whose main aim is diversity.
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
olcap, 2/4/2013 1:18:51 PM (No. 9157774)
If the GOP would like to win elections with te help of conservatives, they need to get rid of people like Rove.
THEN, they need to get rid of morons like Akin and Mourdock. Intelligent people will never vote for idiots who utter ridiculous, stupid, and poorly thought out utterances.
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
lalo, 2/4/2013 1:21:11 PM (No. 9157778)
Rove is more than all right with me, as is his ex-boss, with whom he is undoubtedly in tune. Rove is a realist, and compared to the hard right, a moderate. I think he´s doing his best to support the same values as conservatives, but is doing so in a in a realistic way, which some do not recognize as necessary. There is more than one way to the same goal, ya know, and why kick someone in the shins who is doing their best to get there in the best way they know how? And to accuse him of cynical pecuniary motivations without believing in the cause he´s espousing I think says more about the accuser than about Rove.
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
Susannah, 2/4/2013 1:26:24 PM (No. 9157788)
#6, you cannot possibly be serious in referring to Akin and O´Donnell as leaders. Leaders of what? O´Donnell was a flake, plain and simple. Akin was a jerk whose ego cost us a winnable senate seat. John Brunner, the actual Tea Party-endorsed candidate, would have made a fine replacement for Claire McAskill.
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
john56, 2/4/2013 1:27:11 PM (No. 9157792)
In some ways, Rove and our friend, poster #8 have it right.
"No more Akins" means no more stupid idiot comments. Only Democrats and liberals are allowed to say idiocy and get away with it.
Is it right? No. But it is what it is.
We need to tell the stenographers for the Obama Regime and the RAT stooge party (ie, the media) to stick it in their ear when they ask a stupid question. And move on.
That´s what "No More Akins" means to me.
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
zephyrgirl, 2/4/2013 1:46:03 PM (No. 9157843)
#8 has it right - teach the candidates chosen in primaries how to respond to gotcha questions. It can´t be that hard to come up with the questions and an appropriate response - we´ve heard them enough.
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
civilservant, 2/4/2013 1:49:06 PM (No. 9157848)
#11, agree or disagree with the stand, but Akin was making a pretty salient point:
Why are we punishing the baby just because his father is a bad man? Yes, that was lost in the mad rush of REPUBLICANS going out of their way to perform the evisceration FOR the Left, but his statement is in line with his Pro-Life stand. A leader stands by his principles.
O´Donnell was no more a flake than you or I. You know what a flake is? A grown man PROUDLY proclaiming himself a "marxist". NOT a progressive, not a liberal but a MARXIST. Which is EXACTLY what Senator Coons self identifies as. But hey, at least Rove et al saved us from O´Donnell........and sacrificed the Country.
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
Freeloader, 2/4/2013 2:01:17 PM (No. 9157875)
"No more Akins"? The issue should be what exactly are Torpedoman´s Mate Tokyo Rove´s values!
Mr. Akin, the former conservative Representative from Missouri´s 2nd Congressional District, holds engineering and divinity degrees, served as an engineering officer in the National Guard/Army Reserves, is a devout Christian, has raised six children, including three sons who graduated from the USNA and served as officers in the USMC, worked for IBM, helped manage his family´s steel business and has been married for going on thirty-eight years to his first and only wife.
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
losgatos, 2/4/2013 2:05:56 PM (No. 9157885)
I´m with Rove and poster 10. We are destroying our country with our unrealistic choices. What we end up with is Obama and a Harry Reid led Senate which does nothing for my principles. Or my mental health. Or my pocketbook. Or my freedoms.
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Reply 17 - Posted by:
chumley, 2/4/2013 2:34:51 PM (No. 9157954)
And so, because the GOP knows we have nowhere else to go, they trash traditional conservatives to woo the wishy washy. They promote "moderates" who are nothing more than democrat lites, and the nation continues its spiral into Eurosocialism. No more. They cannot count on my vote. Winning is no longer worth the price. If I must live as a slave, let it at least be without my consent.
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Reply 18 - Posted by:
StormCnter, 2/4/2013 2:35:46 PM (No. 9157957)
Where does all this anger come from? If Karl Rove wants to raise money to support candidates he likes, it is his absolute right to do so. We should welcome all such efforts from the ones on our side. And, yes, Rove is one of us. If you disagree with him or his causes, then there are other focus and fund-raising groups you might prefer. But, it is just so self-defeating for us to condemn those who don´t fit into our rigid political requirements. But, the list of "leaders" from #6 doesn´t contain a single person who is putting together something from which to lead. I guess it might be comforting for you to dream of one of those people stepping forth, #6, but until they do it´s more productive to support those who are actually working toward success.
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Reply 19 - Posted by:
CEP, 2/4/2013 2:54:36 PM (No. 9157999)
I can´t stand Rove and the more he talks the less I listen. Instead of bringing people into the party he is going out of his way to throw people out and never let them in. Sorry but Republicans are the party of stupid, they are more concerned about what someone will say about them than standing on principal. He is worried about Akin, yet the democrats have Pelosi, Menendez, that idiot from TX, Sheila Jackson Lee, oh lets not forget Debbie Wasserman Schultz, they always say stupid things but they are not being bullied like Akin is.
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Reply 20 - Posted by:
Gretchen, 2/4/2013 3:09:29 PM (No. 9158030)
I say good for Rove and Company. The faster they expose themselves as the ´conservatives´ of the Progressives, the faster the inevitable divide will come.
The Republican Party is dead. Let the dead bury their dead.
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Reply 21 - Posted by:
Penney, 2/4/2013 3:09:40 PM (No. 9158031)
Rove´s, ´´15 minutes of fame,´´ (...´infamy?), have about run out. Thanks & good-bye.
Time for some new accomplished winners to step into the arena, ASAP!
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Reply 22 - Posted by:
Sunsong, 2/4/2013 3:20:31 PM (No. 9158062)
Rove is totally right. Akin is a certifiable jerk. He and all those who denigrate women really should leave the GOP and start their own party.
Those who have so little love for humankind and care only for themselves and those who agree with them - should honestly start their own party. That is NOT what the republican aprty is about. These loud mouths are nothing more than that - mouths - who try to shout down everyone else - because they are too stupid to be persuasive. Please - please leave the party!
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Reply 23 - Posted by:
belwhatter, 2/4/2013 3:52:59 PM (No. 9158134)
Funny thing - observe the trend of the comments on this thread an you will see the same people who denigrated Sarah Palin are in total support of Karl Rove - exactly why the GOP is dead but won´t lie down.
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Reply 24 - Posted by:
noproblems, 2/4/2013 4:12:20 PM (No. 9158182)
#6, keep drinking the Repug kool-aid, i am sure it will all get better soon. No more Romneys,McCains, Bushes, Doles. I know, you liked those guys, and hated Reagan and Palin.
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Reply 25 - Posted by:
Rakasha, 2/4/2013 4:13:50 PM (No. 9158186)
The anger comes from watching those who step up to lead - those who´s ideals some of us share - get trashed by the Party that they have supported and that, ostensibly, supported them. Sarah Palin was chosen to be McCain´s Vice President. She had run as a Republican as Mayor of Wassilla and Governor of Alaska. Suddenly, coincidentally, right at the time she became very popular with the Republican electorate at large, she was a ´poor choice´. She was ´uninformed´, ´uneducated´, ´petty´ and ´stupid´ according to some. She was abandoned and hung out to dry and when she didn´t shrivel up she was attacked.
Allen West was cut out of his election bid by Republican gerrymandering after a very successful run and, coincidentally, after pointing out that some of the Democrats currently in Congress are communists. That wasn´t a surprise to some of us but apparently it was a real shocker to the higher ups in the Republican Party. Or maybe it just made it embarrassing to sit down mext to those Congressmen at the next luncheon.
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Reply 26 - Posted by:
Rakasha, 2/4/2013 4:13:55 PM (No. 9158187)
(cont.)
Akin, a Republican acceptable enough to be elected several times in the past made a - granted - not thought out comment and the same people who defended Romney for tying a dog crate to the roof of his car (you have to admit, not well thought out) were calling for his head.
In my own Congressional district, a man who was good enough to be endorsed by several Republicans when they were sure that McCotter had the position sewn up was run down, disparaged and faced an attempt to overthrow his election chances with a write-in campaign for an ´established´ (their word) incumbant by the same Republicans that had endorsed him.
The people attempting to influence candidates and votes are not working to support candidates working toward success. They are attempting to control the Republican narrative even if they have to wrest it from the hands of the Republican voters. And they are doing it because Conservatives do not fit into their rigid political requirements.
That is why we are angry.
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Reply 27 - Posted by:
tomishere, 2/4/2013 4:35:12 PM (No. 9158226)
You cannot compare Allen West to these morons Akin and Mourdock. Allen West is conservative not a religious fanatic. We really need men of character Akin and Mourdock knew they had lost after their stupid comments, they could have dropped out but they didn´t, they where to selfish and concerned with only themselves.
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Reply 28 - Posted by:
Penney, 2/4/2013 4:38:58 PM (No. 9158238)
Exactly! ...When the GOP, ´leaders,´ who are expected & trusted to have integrity, use the same trickery and manipulations within their own party which so typically characterize the odeous tactics routinely used by the conniving & often unethical lefty dem pols, it is bound to get ugly in the GOP.
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Reply 29 - Posted by:
MissMolly, 2/4/2013 5:33:07 PM (No. 9158367)
But, #23, the reverse is also true. Those who always slam Karl Rove are the same ones who love Sarah Palin.
Nothing wrong with either scenario, yours or mine.
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Reply 30 - Posted by:
Quaestio, 2/4/2013 10:35:41 PM (No. 9158811)
Being a decent person is not sufficient qualification to fight the fascist takeover of our country, #15, as Mr. Akins has made abundantly clear. As soon as he made those comments it was clear he would lose. He chose to stay in the race, putting self above country, and in my book that is contemptible.
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Reply 31 - Posted by:
civilservant, 2/5/2013 11:07:50 AM (No. 9159651)
#30, please go read the WHOLE statement he made; and then please realize it was not HIS comments that went viral, it was the LEFT´S interpretation of them that destroyed him. And the Right jumped on that bandwagon faster than it did on the Christie bandwagon in 2009. How´s that working for us? I know that President Romney really appreciated all the hard work CC did for him........
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Reply 32 - Posted by:
tisHimself, 2/5/2013 11:16:37 AM (No. 9159681)
Palin has made it clear that the enemy is the state, Rove has made it clear the enemy is bitter clingers who don´t love all things Bush.
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Reply 33 - Posted by:
4Justice, 2/20/2013 7:43:46 PM (No. 9187733)
True Republican core values are: smaller (minimal) government, lower taxes, strict adherence to the Constitution, equality for all under the law, free market capitalism, fiscal and economic responsibility, championing the individual above the state, freedom, liberty, upholding inalienable individual rights, recognizing and upholding private property rights. Those are the only principles we should be demanding are upheld at party level. Anything else is individual choice and beliefs and most should be handled at the state level. My point is that we are NOT the party of Christian zealots only--nor should we be. We have people of all different beliefs and backgrounds as it should be. Most moral social issues should not be at the party level as they have become. It is killing the party and any chance to move forward. That said, Rove is WRONG! While Akin should not have taken the bait on the gotcha issue, he probably should have stepped aside because even if his answer was qualified with "try to", it was very harmful to the party. Still that doesn´t mean that we should be killing every candidate that puts his foot in his mouth either. And we certainly do not need to have our candidates chosen for us like the elitest establishment Rove wants to do.
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