The battle for the heart and soul of the Republican Party has begun. On one side is the Tea Party. On the other side stand Karl Rove and his establishment team, posing as tacticians while quietly undermining conservatism. Yesterday, the New York Times reported that the “biggest donors in the Republican Party” have joined forces with Karl Rove and Steven J. Law, president of American Crossroads, to create the Conservative Victory Project. The Times reports that this new group will dedicate itself to “recruit seasoned candidates and protect Senate incumbents from challenges by far-right conservatives and Tea Party enthusiasts ..
Comments: For those still under the delusion that the GOP can be recaptured by conservatives. The Establishment will not let go. Best option is a fresh start.
Poster 1: they win if we stay home. They are, Democrat and Republican, Government Elites intending as a class to keep their gravy train rolling. TEA Party folk know they are servants of the Electorate. These Bozos think we are, if anything, an annoying obstacle to their power - sort of like a dog that stays too close to your feet.
So now they are kicking the dog.
They´ll regret it dearly when the prowler crashes through the door they´ve left unlocked.
Karl Rove is behaving like an idiot. I am not an official member of any Tea Party, but I have attended three Tea Party meetings; I have seen nothing but patriotic, wonderful people of all ethnic groups. The first meeting I attending was under a canopy in front of a closed restaurant in Coral Gables, FLorida; hundreds were in attendance. The restaurant allowed us to use their bathrooms. The variety of ethnic groups was amazing. I was one of five Jews and yes there was a doctor and a lawyer. The rest of the people were business people, who largely were compromised of immigrants from South and Central America and Cuban Americans; there was a small contingent of American blacks. In the minority in this case were Anglo Americans as we are referred to in South Florida.
My next two meetings were in Palm Beach County, Florida where there were mostly Anglo Americans.
In no case was their any racisim spoken or implied. The speakers confined their subject matter to individual issues, mostly with reference how they were not in compliance with the Constitution
I read an article shortly after the election that Karl Rove and crew, including insiders in the Romney campaign, deliberately steered Romney the wrong way to keep the presidency spot open for Jeb Bush in 2016. It had a ring of truth to it but I thought I was being paranoid.
After this article, I´m not so sure. It´s time we purge ourselves of these interlopers playing God with our Republic and our lives. It may also be time for a third party if we can´t get rid of them.
There is no "Tea Party". There is a loose coalition of like-minded conservative voters who, originally, wanted to downsize government and restrain the growth of taxes. Now, there are offshoots who have different goals and some of them demand dedication to those goals from all. The minute the movement is organized and narrowly focused on something other than small government and lower taxes, it is something different from what we all started with. Shapiro is being hysterical. Karl Rove wants the same victories as the rest of us. But, he resists, as I do, the more radical individuals on our side. Rigid templates and purity tests have no place in a true tea party effort.
Big mistake Karl! We have had your support twice against a candidate who should have been a pushover and lost. We can do at least that well without you. It´s time for you and the rest of the getting along gang to let someone else take a turn.
As posted up the line, the "Tea Party" is not a party. It originally represented a philosophy shared by many of us. Now it has morphed into something resembling a congressional bill, with bits of this and that tacked on for good measure. And 100% compliance is expected. Anything less makes one a "RINO".
I don´t like despotism flying any political flag. Some are taking the tea party philosphy that way. I´m not going along...
I´m through with the GOP too. What a disappointing party! With a few notable exceptions who have the courage to speak out against the party line, the GOP is doomed - self doomed. They jut can´t see the wood for the trees. America can no longer tolerate these muddle heads repeatedly pushing mediocre candidates who engender at best a vote against the socialist.It is time for a new direction, as evidenced by the pure patriotic and constitutional philosophy of the TEA movement.The change of course is the only saving grace remaining for the USA.
The problem is that the Tea Party has 100% interest in nominating conservatives and 0% interest in winning elections. They need to support candidates ONLY on condition that they step aside if they shoot themselves in the foot and throw an otherwise winnable election.
Wanna nominate Mourdock? Fine. He voluntarily makes a stupid comment that jeopardizes a GOP victory, then the Tea Party must IMMEDIATELY abandon him and beg, if necessary, Lugar to replace Mourdock.
In other words, the "Buckley Rule": Nominate the most conservative candidate WHO CAN WIN. Stop nominating weak candidates, who any fool can see would lose, just because they´re conservatives. We need a GOP Senate majority leader; if we get one, there are more than enough conservative senators to control the debate. A minority of moderate Republicans, such as Collins and Snow will vote for the GOP Senate majority leader candidate and are only a problem when Dems control the Senate.
Sometimes I wonder about the motives of people like Shapiro. What do they really want--a fracture so deep and permanent that the Democrats are entrenched forever?
Yes, conservatives as well as Republicans have to purge themselves of flakes like O´Donnell, Angle, Mourdock, Akin, and Paul Broun, who are going to lose any race they enter. How does it advance the cause of conservatism to have Angle lose to Reid, O´Donnell lose to an admitted Marxist (Castle would have voted with Republicans at least 50% of the time) and Akin lose to Claire McAskill?
I´m not a fan of Rove, but the point that being right on Constitutional/conservative issues is enough for us to back someone as a candidate has some weight. . Yes, I want strong conservative people in office, but we also need to weed out the nutjobs and do the oppo-research that will be done by others before they can torpedo our candidates.
Rove is the main reason Romney lost...just go away Rove...let Cruz & a new crowd take over. Rove is the one who pushed the tea party away from Romney. I knew when the rnc did not include the tea party , Paul etc they would lose. Big mistake not including the tea party & Palin in the convention.
It doesn´t help when Shawn Hannity repeatedly has him on his program and "affectionately" calls him, "The Architect." Nauseating. It´s time for a new Conservative party. Sarah Palin -- speak up now, or forever hold your peace."
The media doesn´t publish all the dead of night kicked down doors and swat teams that followed the post Patriot Act terrorizing of America since the Bush/Rove regime. The Republican Party is a different faction of the one party progressive neo feudal destruction of the middle class. Look at the pedigree of the Bushes. Look at Prescott Bush playing both sides of WWII. Ron Paul was our Thomas Jefferson. It is over.
#31, Texas will tell you that Karl Rove ushered George W. Bush into two successful terms as governor and then two presidential terms. You may or may not be a fan of Dubya, but Rove proved to be an ideal strategist for him.
"Extemism in defense of liberty is no vice..." Rove is no conservative, he´s an opportunist. He thinks he is superior to the Republican voters and conspires against them every time they choose a candidate he doesn´t like. Look no further than the 2010 and 2012 elections for examples. I want candidates that will stand up and loudly proclaim that they are for the Constitution and who will point out the many ways the government in Washington is violating it. If that is a radical position, so be it!
I´ll be joining my local Tea Party chapter Monday. Rove and his ilk destroyed the republican party and have help in the destruction of our country. Rove is as dangerous to the future health of this country as Cass Sunstein.
If the elite of American Crossroads are foolish enough to trust Rove with their millions again they deserve to lose it all again. Rove was way off the mark in his WSJ articles during last year. Talk about con men he has to be one of the biggest. I guess he has overcome his shame as he is slowly making appearances on Fox News. I saw him Friday on Greta´s show. He looked like he had just eaten a big piece of humble pie. Trust anything Rove says as much as anything you hear from Dick Morris or Obama.
All he cares about is getting new clients. He´s always been a RINO, happy to link to the Tea Party when it serves his clients, but abandons them otherwise. He is a dismal failure and I don´t know why anyone would give him a dime to run their campaign. We need another network besides FOX for real conservatism.
Rove and the followers of the Rove clan are in for a big surprise and the T.E.A. movement is anything but dead. Just yesterday the launching of TeaParyCommunity.com and has over 93K members. It will counteract actions of the RINOs and others when they are detrimental to the recovery of the country. This movement was not set up to control the T.E.A. movement but to give all a voice without the restrictions by liberals when voicing a conservative comment. There are "hubs" for each state----basically to keep everybody informed and give all a chance to be active. It is NOT intended to fracture or splinter ANY T.E.A groups but to allow the many different groups to join forces when actively vetting and backing candidates. Already they have been hacked by left wing idiots but the founders of the site said they will not let anyone or thing stand in it´s way to seeing the site grow. It´s free to join. They moderate 24/7 to remove offensive postings. This will definitely be an answer to Karl Rove´s so called intention of ´HIS type of Conservative´ (the go along to get along, rich elites) to be elected and maintain the status quo.
Rove´s Crossroads GPS spent 71 million on ads for Tea Party and conservative candidates in 2010. The ads they ran in 2012 were some of the hardest hitting against Democrats and Obama . Rove wants to win back the Senate and hold the House in 2014 . The Tea Party candidates have cost us the Senate. O´Donnell , Angle ( Rove ran ads for her ) Buck, Raese , Murdock and Akin for starters. The Tea Party is too focused on retribution against Republicans instead of fielding competitive Senate candidates.
#5 (and others), the Establishment has some . . . ideas. But this idea that you are either 100% with the Establishment or you are a Despot is a loser (smacks of a purity test or a rigid template, in fact).
The Establishment has to recognize that good people can adhere to conservative principles (viz. Sen. Ted Cruz). Having to march lockstep with those who espouse a "Dem-lite" philosophy is tyranny, not liberty.
I´ll aways think McCain threw the election. In fact, the only reason I voted was to vote for Sarah Palin. I with the "old guard" rino´s would just get lost. I´d love someone with real old fashioned guts to show up.
Seems like Rove wants to keep the status quo, Republicans lose and he gets on TV (paid for apperances) to say what they are doing wrong, he doesn´t give a wit about the country or it´s citizens, just what will line his pockets. These so called groups can kiss my grits. The country is doomed.
Repeating Reince Priebus as head of the RNC for another term disgusts me. He was ineffective in the last election, refused to give any funds to Michele Bachmann´s re-election campaign. Everyone knew who headed the DNC (Debbie Washerwoman Shultz) but who knew who Priebus was? We could have had Allen West !
Tokyo Rove, upon opening the closet door and turning on the light, has ´´publically´´ declared (finally) war on true conservatives thereby joining the GOP the DNC and the POTUS in what has been going on for the last 5 years.
Rove and his ilk are the reason the republicans are such a disappointment and the reason I no longer feel obligated to vote for them. They have no principles, no values and no beliefs beyond "winning". Their votes are for sale or rent and they will lose no sleep over it. When they do get some power, they wont use it against the communists. The difference between them and the ones in charge now is just a matter of degree. So, yeah. To blazes with them. I can vote for the guy who is going to mug me with a knife, or stay home and get it from the guy with the gun. No difference. I am very open to the idea of a 3rd party. The GOP is completely full of rot (like Rove) and beyond redemption.
I don´t have time to read every comment but 12, 20 and 25 have some good points. The original vision of the TEA parties (yes, plural) was to support and uphold the Constitution, advocate smaller government and fiscal responsibility. But a lot of factions started pushing other irrelevant and polarizing issues (mainly social issues) and, yes, demanding strict adherence to all their views. Now, I still think the majority of conservatives who believe in the TEA parties´ principles only want what the group originally stood for. I also do agree that there are "establishment" types who do not want smaller government and are just looking to augment their own wealth and power. It isn´t a black and white issue. We need to know which establishment country club types are just Dems in disguise and which representatives are true public servants. We can bring cohesion back to our party if we can get rid of the fringe on both sides. It should not be establishment vs. conservative. It should be that we all have the same basic principles and if you support smaller government and the Constitution as it was written, then we can work together.
Typical Republican Establishment fan club responses. Follow this logic.
Rove´s cabal of big money donors are banning together to work against grass roots candidates that they fear will not toe the Republican Party´s. This to me is screaming they do not want Tea Party candidates to get nominations, and are going to actively work against them. Thus they do not want Tea Party factions as part of the party.
Bring in the GOP/RNC fan club. They condemn anyone who decides to not follow the Republican Party´s inevitable spiral down the toilet bowl as traitors to the country. The reason why democrats will win.
Its like little children only seeing what they want, whine until they get it, then cry its not enough when they do.
This is why I no longer debate them. Logic is a foreign language to them. Its pointless.
Rove is so last decade. He and Romney got pwned by the opposition in 2012. He has to declare war on the Tea Party to make himself relevant, since he appears incapable of beating the democrats any longer. Who´s Karl Rove???
TEA- taxed enough already . Plain and simple so the RNC stopped getting my money long ago. Gave to candidates directly. McCain didn´t get a penny till he chose Sarah. Gave to Scott Brown first time but ignored him second run. Instead sent money to Cain, Cruz and others. Some won, some lost but my time and money were sent to TEA types. Oh and I proudly say Mitt Romney got money from me over and over again but NOT through RNC. The RNC can pound sand and howl at the moon. Have told them so on numerous occasions ver politely. Karl Rove and Dem Lites are power mongers while Reid and Pelosi types are Evil power mongers. JMHO, but I took my marbles and went Galt.
#´s 5 12 20 and 25 along with all the other reasonable voices do give hope for the party. The tea party began with an ideal but the advice to deepen the roots to tap level instead of bragging the grass roots focus was not heeded and the victory of 2010 has not been sustained. In part some of the organization has been hijacked by the our way or the highway extreme non cooperation and refusals to work as one unit. This site reflects the old summation of the good the bad and the ugly. The posts have become so vicious at times it´s exhausting. How glibly the core who adored W. reacted to the dem lies about his stand on immigration and their vicious reactions have carried over to anyone who is deemed not conservative enough. No wonder Sarah has withdrawn
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