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How the Ancient
Greeks Viewed Weapons

New Yorker, by Melissa Lane

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Posted By:Heil Liberals, 2/1/2013 8:26:10 PM

One of the guns used to murder children and adults in Newtown, Connecticut, was an AR-15, a semiautomatic rifle that’s similar to a weapon used in war by American troops. A weapon of war was turned on innocents at home. That would have shocked the ancient Greeks. The pioneers of citizen armies were also pioneers of withdrawing weapons from the places of civilized life. The ancient Greek armies were manned exclusively by citizens who brought their own weapons into battle. Getting to serve in an élite combat unit required being wealthy enough to afford to buy one’s own armor.

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So, ancient societies that were ruled by elites in a fledgling democracy in which most people had no rights equal to recognized citizens didn´t like the idea of an armed populace during peace time. Unchallenged, lawmakers create a legal slavery in which natural rights are subserviant to the demands of the state. Te Greeks didn´t have an answer that lasted long term. Disarming Americans doesn´t solve any problems either.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Bpl40, 2/1/2013 8:34:09 PM     (No. 9153234)

This is a foul lie from the get go. The AR-15 lay in the kiler´s car and was NOT used. These lefty rags will play fast and loose with facts with abandon in their relentless drive to destroy our freedoms.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: ColoWapiti, 2/1/2013 8:36:10 PM     (No. 9153237)

Similar, except it wasn´t there, and it operates completely differently. Other than that, its the same. Idiot.

Stats from 2011 - less than 400 people killed with AR´s. More than 20,000 killed with cars. More than 1 million killed by Planned Parenthood types. This is not about public safety.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: dvc, 2/1/2013 8:36:54 PM     (No. 9153239)

NOT credible. Like the author Bellisiles, a professor at Emory Univ that totally faked his research for his antigun book. Eventually, caught and resigned in disgrace.

I would check EVERY single reference, these people have NO shame and will lie as much as they need to when pushing their antigun narrative.

http://www.emory.edu/news/Releases/bellesiles1035563546.html

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Reply 4 - Posted by: dvc, 2/1/2013 8:39:02 PM     (No. 9153244)

Please verify your claim that the AR was not used. I have heard MANY times that this is based on an early and ERRONEOUS news report, and is NOT factual.

They lie, we need to be certain of being factual. I believe this claim that the AR was not used is wrong.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Cor-vet, 2/1/2013 8:39:56 PM     (No. 9153245)

At this point, what difference does it make?

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Reply 6 - Posted by: crimea river, 2/1/2013 8:50:00 PM     (No. 9153251)

The author is a student of politics, not history.
“Let the laws rule alone. When weapons rule, they kill the law.”

So, how do they enforce the law?


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Reply 7 - Posted by: schnapps, 2/1/2013 8:50:53 PM     (No. 9153252)

I´ll wait for the Victor Davis Hanson fact-check on this.


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Reply 8 - Posted by: revdeppisch316, 2/1/2013 8:53:17 PM     (No. 9153258)

And look at Greece now-- What difference does it make now?

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Reply 9 - Posted by: reilly, 2/1/2013 8:59:02 PM     (No. 9153264)


Hey, Melissa, go pound sand. You´re free to write crap because men with guns fought for this country. Consider yourself lucky you´re along for the ride.


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Reply 10 - Posted by: TheoryandReality, 2/1/2013 9:01:25 PM     (No. 9153269)

The also had a primarily homogenous society, slavery and animal sacrifice; still wanna follow their lead?

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Reply 11 - Posted by: neanderthal, 2/1/2013 9:04:01 PM     (No. 9153270)

The false assumption here is that Greece had no crazy people. They did...and they caused trouble. We do...and they cause trouble. Forget gun control. Do something about crazy people control.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: TunnelRat, 2/1/2013 9:04:48 PM     (No. 9153272)

Thank you, #7. I was thinking the same thing. This is nearly an engraved invitation for VDH to slice and dice.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: iamtinman, 2/1/2013 9:13:08 PM     (No. 9153286)

According to the author,"The ancient Greek armies were manned exclusively by citizens who brought their own weapons into battle." Doesn´t this mean that if they were not at war that they had their weapons in their homes?

Ms. Lane obviously doesn´t have a clue about guns in general and AR-15s in particular. It´s a semiautomatic rifle which works like any other semiautomatic but just happens to look like an M-16 which is an automatic. She should learn her topic before shooting off her mouth.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: bighambone, 2/1/2013 9:18:41 PM     (No. 9153294)

So what, as you can bet that back during the Greek era that the author talked about, there were people just as crazy as the man who perpetrated the mass shooting in Connecticut, who took and did things with weapons that were crimes in violation of the Greek laws. When that happened, you can bet that the Greeks took care of the criminal in no uncertain terms, and did not try to ban all weapons from being thereafter sold to or possessed by law abiding Greeks.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: Citizen Plain, 2/1/2013 9:28:41 PM     (No. 9153300)

Athenians had their asses kicked by Spartans. This piece is propaganda.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: miceal, 2/1/2013 10:11:49 PM     (No. 9153362)

According to a January 13, 2013 article, NBC admitted NO ASSAULT RIFLE was used in the Newtown murders. I Googled "weapons used" and found lots of December articles saying an "AR15 Bushmaster" was used but apparently they were incorrect....

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Reply 17 - Posted by: sw penn, 2/1/2013 10:20:34 PM     (No. 9153373)

So liberals think we should junk the Constitution
because it´s old and out of date,
and instead go with a Grecian idea
from BC?

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Reply 18 - Posted by: calicojack, 2/1/2013 10:36:29 PM     (No. 9153389)

There is yet some question as to whether or not the shooter actually used the Bushmaster, but even if he did, the AR-15 is NOT a military weapon. It may outwardly resemble an M4 carbine, but it doesn´t function like one. The author is wrong from the first sentence.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: wsdiego, 2/1/2013 10:54:16 PM     (No. 9153415)

Marines are the Hop-lites of today! In my day Marines were not allowed to travel with weapons! To much opportunity for mayhem!

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Reply 20 - Posted by: NYbob, 2/1/2013 11:31:28 PM     (No. 9153456)

#4, the coroner´s report states that no children were shot with a rifle. You could have taken the seconds it took me to find it, but here it is - http://conservativebyte.com/2013/01/coroner-confirms-no-assault-weapon-used-in-sandy-hook-shooting/

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Reply 21 - Posted by: Old Army Vet, 2/2/2013 3:36:30 PM     (No. 9154689)

I don´t much care how the ancient Greeks viewed weapons, they are not Americans. We have different views on everything. Whoever wrote this doesn´t understand America.

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