Not to worry! The Supreme Court will rule that poor people don´t have to pay - the rest of us will have to do it for them!

$5000+ per head ´living tax´, just for being alive in the US.

What a scam.

Do they get fries with that?

Obama and the Democrats are one phucked up bunch of lunatics.

Hell, at that cost I might as well get sick.

This is insanity. I went 3 years without health insurance and the wife and I (late 50´s - 60) combined spent less than $2500, doc visits, prescriptions, etc., instead of being out $18,000 just for the premiums. I wonder what I get for my $500/mo as it is...without even setting foot inside a doctor´s office. Now we will pay triple that? And go into a healthcare system with fewer docs in 2016? What a country.

Shared responsibility

So, you mean, all those evil nay-sayers were correct when they said Obamacare wouldn´t lower your premiums? Imagine that.

Kill this beast...ACA doesn´t give people healthcare....it´s legalised rape of the taxpayer

Obamacare will bankrupt the country which, besides control over citizens, might be a hidden motivation for it by zippy and the liberal democrats. obamacare was slammed down the throats of Americans by a criminal traitorous regime. The USA may skip the decline and go straight to a free fall.

I think I´ll start calling it RobertsCare in honor of our Chief Just-us.

Pass the Excedrin, please.

Government estimates tend to be crap. But family medical plans are very expensive.

People will pay the $600 fine yearly for not being insured. And unless you must file FIT can the IRS know you aren´t insured?

How will they collect from people who are nearly broke?

Unless you have considerable assets why buy the insurance? You are guaranteed coverage if you develop the need. And you are guaranteed emergency care at medical facilities for sudden medical problems.

And if you are unemployed and very poor the government is going to pay your premiums.

The more I hear the crazier it seems. It doesn´t seem much better for those who aren´t insured already and hurts those who are.

Guess I will have to read it to find out.

Today I learned that FREE = $20,000.

I am so glad John Roberts outfoxed the Obama administration.

Just remember if you can´t afford all this you will be fined.

IRS types are going to hate the Second Amendment.

This is just a way to bankrupt the middle-class. They will just take your property - no need for eminent domain.

I too have been uninsured for over 2 years. I see only the best BP doctor (cardiac surgeon) in Las Vegas, who is cash-only BY HIS CHOICE. I pay him $50 per office visit every 3 months, and log my BP on his website. He checks it during each OV and refills the scrip for me. Wal-Mart fills 3 months´ worth for $10.

That´s it. That´s all I´ve spent in the 2 years I´ve needed it. And you know what? It has tended to make me more careful when driving (more careful all the time!), and get myself healthier, because I know any medical care I might need comes outta my pocket. I´ve lost 30 pounds for that reason - it hasn´t quite lowered the BP but I feel a whole lot better at age 60 than I did at age 55.

But now I´m forced to buy this crap ´´healthcare´´, which it most certainly is not, whether I want it or not, and whether I´ll like it or not.

I´m keeping my cash-only BP doc, and staying as healthy as I can get. But it´ll now cost me not just the $240 a year, but $1600 or more. Greeaaaaaaat.......

Might as well go back to eating crap, and dying while I´m still young and gorgeous.

Uh, that would be $1600 more PER MONTH, plus the $240 per year it has cost me the last two years.

I should really work on proofreading BEFORE clicking Submit. Sorry.......

The icing on the cake is that ´´Cadillac´´ health insurance plans will be taxed too. You will not only pay a fortune for the insurance, but the value of the plan could be considered taxable income to boot!

Don’t forget, this estimate is for 2016. This is only 2013. In Three years, at the present rate of unemployment progression, the average family income will be about $20,000. Not much left over for gasoline, groceries, and private school for the kiddies. But great health care is certainly worth the price!

Talk with the Canadians, the people that benefit most from their system are immigrants or the poor. And those two groups take advantage of the system and clog it up for everyone.

We´re going to pay for all this, and I guarantee that we won´t get what we paid for. Did your kidneys fail? Sorry, we´re not going to pay for a kidney transplant. Did you break a hip? Sorry, you´re too old for a replacement. It´s a defective product. Have cancer? Sorry, we´re not going to approve the treatment. You want to be a woman instead of a man? No problem -- "sex-change" operations are fully covered! That´s where we´re headed.

#13 and others who wonder how the IRS will collect fines from those who are nearly broke--the same way they do now. Understand that under the law:

1. The IRS can clean out your bank account(s) without notice, no matter how little you have.

2. The IRS can place a lien on your paychecks without notice. It takes seconds to process the notice to your employer, at least six weeks to get it removed.

3. The IRS can put liens on your house or car or other valuable assets. If the amount is considerable, I suspect they may have the power to seize and sell those assets.

If you have ever had insufficient tax taken from your paycheck and paid with a check, your bank account info will be on file. (I always send a money order.) A notice will be sent to your bank putting liens on any acount you have with that institution.

This all happened to me about 30 years ago. Data--and debt--collection has greatly improved since then. Think ahead. You might request that your paycheck be sent to your home so that you can avoid losing an automatic deposit. Sometimes it takes around a week or so to get a cancellation into the system.

Are you now beginning to understand why the IRS is involved in Ocare? No other federal agency, as far as I know, has the power of the IRS to suddenly and without notice take your money and property.

It´s probably illegal for me to suggest ways to safeguard yourself so think very carefully about how to manage this situation. Surely there´s a how-to online by now.

I´m sure you know the IRS is hiring thousands of agents and the IRS is ordering firearms for its agents.

Why does the IRS need firearms? I can imagine. I can also imagine IRS with firearms. I can also imagine IRS agents opening fire on the US populace too.

Surprise,surprise, surprise !

Gomer Pyle

#25..my spouse died on the 27th of the month..soc. sec. took back the payment direct deposited on the 3rd, right out of the bank. (He was considered dead for the entire month!)
ditto military retirement, ditto his pension (which was taken over by the gov´t when the company went under)..it took 3 months for me to see a payment again.
The fact is, when we arrange for direct deposits, we give permission for the gov´t to go into our account and take money back.

Second post. In #13 I was wondering more about how to collect from those who have virtually no assets.

And America is creating and importing them by the millions. But I didn´t phrase it that way.

I can only suppose that if you take any of a hundred entitlements such as food stamps, or even draw unemployment, you will have to prove you and your dependents are insured.

Or will you automatically be given free insurance when you apply for an entitlement?

The complexities seem likely to build bureaucracy to a level never seen before.

So the reality of this is that no sane person is going to buy a health plan for $20K when they can just use BOCare for coverage and pay a small fraction of that $20K cost in a "penalty" tax. Say a person makes $100k (and probably has health coverage from his employer but ignore that for now) the 2.5% cap of income would limit his payment to $2500, less than half the cost of him buying a policy.

That means that no one will buy policies and everyone will be on BOCare that they will only pay far, far less than half of. Guess who foots the remainder of the bill? The taxpayer in general but there is no plan or budget for this massive expense.

In a few years this mess is all going to collapse in a disastrous heap.

R.E.V.O.L.T

It´s time.

#28, I am so sorry for your loss

The highest union cost for health benefits paid by a company is $20,000. Isn´t it ironic that the IRS magically comes up with the same $20,000?