It seems clear that American civil-military relations have been healthiest when there is a high level of trust between civilian and military leaders, i.e. when there is mutual respect and understanding between them that leads to the exchange of candid views and perspectives between the two parties as part of the decision-making process. On the one hand, the military must have a voice in strategy making, while realizing that politics permeates the conduct of war and that civilians have the final say, not only concerning the goals of the war but also how it is conducted.
Obama´s only goal is to "defang" our military so that he can destroy Israel when he takes over Europe after 2016. Unfortunately, convincing us to deconstruct our military will require destroying our economy.
Comparing the quiet during his tenure, to Rumsfeld´s time is not really fair. The press has not covered any segment of the on going war under the Obama Admin, but showed nothing but contempt towards Rumsfeld. The last thing I heard in the news about Afghanistan was that we were going to do a surge, similar to Iraq. How´d that surge work out in Afghanistan?
Remember Saddam ridding himself of all but the most devoted butt-kissers? When he had himself surrounded by yes-men who didn´t dare bring him any bad news he felt that he was secure from ever being forced from office. We all know how that turned out. If BO gets rid of enough of our good military men because they don´t toe his line, there may be enough to form a "civilian national security force...just as well-funded as the Armed Forces."
I agree with you, #5. I have a nephew who will turn 18 this year and who is thinking of joining the military after he graduates in 2014. As much as I admire his aspirations, I don´t want him serving under 0bama.
FWIW Dr Jim Garrow (didn´t know who he was til just now)posted on Facebook "I have just been informed by a former senior military leader that Obama is using a new ´litmus test´ in determining who will stay and who must go in his military leaders. Get ready to explode folks. ´The new litmus test of leadership in the military is if they will fire on US citizens or not´. Those who will not are being removed." - Dr. Jim Garrow - January 21, 2013
He was fired because apparently the new litmus test he asks of Generals, commanders, etc., is: Will you fire upon United States Citizens if asked. Google it as I don´t think Lucianne will let me post the link (but I´ll try - not sure if it´s ok so sorry if it´s not). Article in infowars and many other places. Original quote from credible source.
FTA- General Mattis dared to ask probing questions about the consequences of the disastrous ( for the US ) national security policies of Obama. For that, he was shown the door. Hagel will fit right in and unless Democrats don´t vote for him, he´s a shoo in. Only takes a simple majority to confirm a Cabinet position and Democrats hold the Senate 55-45.
Let me quote this again: From Martin Amis’s book Koba the Dread : laughter and the twenty million Bucharin in 1936 said: [he] is unhappy at not being able to convince everyone, himself included that he is greater than everyone; and this unhappiness of his may be his most human trait, perhaps the only human trait in him. But what is not human, but rather something devilish, is that because of this unhappiness he cannot help taking revenge on people, on all people but especially those who are in any way better or higher than he. Sound familiar? The name within the braces is of stalin.
#14, I just hope there are enough Americans left to resist when zero thinks he can turn absolute ruler. The last few years it was the rich and Christians, now it is Republicans and heterosexuals, tomorrow it will the Southerners, then God knows what next group of people have to be vilified and destroyed. Sounds like a replay of adolph hitler playing Germans against each other in Germany of the 1930s and early 1940s.
I read an article about having Generals that can be called upon to murder U.S. citizens, and illegals I guess, if called upon. When you read the reasons for this you have to wonder if the evil intent from the top is to do just that eventually?
That is a nonsense statement regarding firing on American civilians. Military members swore to support and defend the constituion against all enemies, foreign or domestic. So, the military could fire on civilians. What you have to decide is whether you will allow Obama or any other politician to go far enough to set up the scenerio where that is possible.
On post #11 I have read several times that there is a new test he is asking his generals to take. I heard about this a couple of months ago when the Russians leaked to somebody that he was afraid that his own troops were going to turn on him. who knows but he is up to something and it is not good.
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mary Ellen, 1/23/2013 3:46:53 PM (No. 9134845)
Question: if Obama ordered the military to fire on American citizens, do you think they would? I´m hearing more and more people saying we are going to have a civil war eventually. How do you think our military would respond to his orders?
Amazing how much damage he has done already, throughout the Nation: economic wreckage, dissension, strife, apathy and/or frustration. He´s been chipping away at the military. Now, no holds barred.
He is a staggeringly divisive person, a nasty, vicious, sneering, vindictive person.
And how i struggle to tamp down my loathing for fellow Americans who did not vote --in primaries, in the general. They are as much to blame as the foolish, empty-headed sycophantic brown-nosing BO-bots.
Agree w/#4. Mr. Owens speaks from a false premise concerning military leadership under Rumsfeld and Bush. I.e., because the decision to go to war was flawed, the campaign turned into a fiasco. Right... And the guys running the campaign had nothing to do with it.
It´s amazing how the "independent minded" former generals were so quick to jump on Rumsfeld and Bush publicly, while the press glossed over their failures in the actual conduct of the campaign.
I think Owens is another in a long line of Zero admirers who has just been mugged by reality.
Consider that Obama, Soros, all their commie comrades want to sack, fire, any independent speaking military leaders and retain only those who will be willing to fire on their own people when the leaders decide it´s time to turn our own armed forces against the people. Scary. Is it happening? Keep tabs on the firings of key military personnel.
#10, you are right, civilians head our military and the president is commander in chief. However, when our founders set it up that way, they never figured that the commander in chief would want to destroy the country.
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