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Topic: Gun Lovers Freak Over Obama’s Executive Actions |
Gun Lovers Freak Over Obama’s Executive Actions
Daily Beast, by Adam Winkler
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Original Article
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Posted By:KarenJ1, 1/20/2013 8:37:35 AM
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| As our first national Gun Appreciation Day arrives (isn’t every day in America Gun Appreciation Day?), it’s worth a closer look at the constitutional arguments made by conservative opponents of President Obama’s gun-control proposals. Listen closely to the predictable fulminations against President Obama’s recent moves to reduce gun violence, in part through executive action. Conservative blogs and Fox News have been filled with indignant protests over Obama’s “abuse of power” and the manifestation of “tyranny” by the “power-grabbing” president. Sen. Rand Paul went on the Christian Broadcast Network to accuse Obama of acting like a “king or monarch.”
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Comments: When you read this you should know that this guy is a ´constitutional law´ professor at UCLA. He appears to be as qualified as 0bama. s/o It really disturbs me that we have morons like this teaching at the universities. We are doomed.
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Reply 1 - Posted by:
Keekng, 1/20/2013 8:46:34 AM (No. 9127676)
What is a "Adam Winkler"?
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
R. Edgar, 1/20/2013 9:00:03 AM (No. 9127701)
I love Life, not guns.
Dear Adam, I hate to break this to you, but you are a man in name only.
What a pathetic little worm you would be if the strands of your latte-sipping, self-esteem dripping civilization were stripped away. This country never would have had a chance if the mindset of this metro-sexual with sand in his hoohoo had prominence back then. Adam, you make me sick, now run away and go play with your other pretend-men.
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
mrduc, 1/20/2013 9:02:18 AM (No. 9127705)
We attended the Pro-2nd Amendment rally in Htfd, CT yesterday and we didn´t see anyone ´freaking out´. We did see lots of nice gun owners, but not one of them was ´loving´ on their gun. In fact, the only people we´ve noticed ´freaking out´ for the last month is DUHmocrats who´s answer to Newtown is to punish law abiding citizens and give more lenient sentences to criminals, who get to keep their ILLEGAL guns, of course. Here in CT, Malloy has even fast-tracked the criminals out of prison, overturning the jury´s rule and the court´s sentences. Even decent folks cannot get a job here b/c the DUHmocrat run state has taxed business out of the state, so Malloy´s boys, (the fast-tracked criminals) get out and go right back to burglary, rape and murder of CT citizens, after they´ve obtained another ILLEGAL gun, of course. Think we´ll buy our next additions on the black market so we can breath easier knowing that the CT goobermint will never confiscate those./s/, or maybe not
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
mrduc, 1/20/2013 9:04:42 AM (No. 9127710)
sorry, meant to type ´whose´ not who´s. Need. More. Coffee.
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
Liberal like Jefferson, 1/20/2013 9:08:30 AM (No. 9127725)
Alternative headline: Adam Winkler freaks out when he is jailed for espousing his opinion in The Daily Beast. Yeah, rights are rights, dipwad.
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
King of all trolls, 1/20/2013 9:15:53 AM (No. 9127738)
The Executive Orders are a nothing burger, true. But the Plantation Party´s attempt to take away our God given right to defend our families is very much a fact. Even a willfully ignorant peddler of Beltway conventional wisdom can see it, if he were to open his eyes and climb out of Dear Leader´s lap for a moment. The Plantation Party wants an impotent populace. They want hungry mouths, and childlike invalids who live hand to mouth, government check to government check. The Plantation party is suspicious of progress, of liberty, of self-reliance because it threatens their grip on our souls.
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
ROLFnader, 1/20/2013 9:20:23 AM (No. 9127752)
Excuse me- I drank too much coffee and now I must go take an Adam Winkler.
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
chumley, 1/20/2013 9:25:47 AM (No. 9127760)
I just read the article and just feel like I ate out of the cat box. Once again, the educated elites are telling us what rights we dont have and how benevolent the government is. Blecch.
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
Italiano, 1/20/2013 10:34:56 AM (No. 9127914)
I´ve read Winkler´s book and discussed it with him in person. He´s not a bad guy and is firmly of the belief that the Second Amendment (post-Heller) protects the individual RKBA. He is a flaming liberal metrosexual, however, and IMO wishes that it didn´t.
His main point is that 2A isn´t absolute and certain restrictions are permitted. History supports that view, like it or not. Where we really got into it was over the issue of a partial or complete gun ban. We agreed that it was unconstitutionally impermissible, but I cited Feinstein and a few others in support of my belief that they´re going to try. Because eventually they are.
It was a lively meeting, and the liberal lawyers in the room kept their mouths shut. They were "outgunned."
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
rabbit, 1/20/2013 10:40:39 AM (No. 9127926)
Lots of ugly comments here against the author, but nobody here has tried to debate the content of the article.
Folks, there is a difference between the executive orders that Obama has issued and the proposals he has made that would require new legislation. Debate the merits of his proposed legislation; it is entirely likely that you will win that debate. However, it only makes the Republicans look silly to whine that the President doesn´t have the right to the executive orders, telling his administration to enforce the law, nominating a head of ATF, and the like. Every president has the right to issue executive orders like the ones he just made. You may be unhappy that he won the election, but that doesn´t take away the fact that he is the elected president and has the legal right to issue executive orders.
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
nonsense, 1/20/2013 10:43:48 AM (No. 9127939)
Michael Savage had something interesting to say the other night. He mentioned that the Leftist Press and the Demonrat Party is ignoring the Leftists who own guns. He pointed out that many gays own guns for protection, as do Leftist feminists. They, of course, do not want to give up their "protection".
Something to think about.
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
god of irony, 1/20/2013 11:01:09 AM (No. 9127975)
And who gave Adam Winkler the right to speak? The government should shut him up. I don´t think he should not be entitled to his 1st Amendment rights if he thinks I´m not entitled to my 2d Amendment rights.
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
MattMusson, 1/20/2013 11:03:35 AM (No. 9127981)
How is it that Liberals can be so against the rights to Life, Liberty and Property?
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
capt scurvey, 1/20/2013 11:16:53 AM (No. 9128010)
"You may be unhappy that he won the election, but that doesn´t take away the fact that he is the elected president and has the legal right to issue executive orders."
Even if they´re tyrannical and unconstitutional? Pull your head out.
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
geoman, 1/20/2013 11:29:12 AM (No. 9128033)
Re: #11 - There is no debating the 2nd amendment. What #11 is espousing is a national bloodbath. His ilk will not rest until they impose the control they seek, contrary to the Constitution. His ilk fully understands they will be resisted. Their aim is to marginalize, with their "soothing" progressive psuedo-sensitivity, the lawful gun owners and the core Americans who believe in the inherent right of self defense - and not against Bambi, either. The progressive agenda seeks to disarm; there is no debating this. Traditional American conservatives will resist with force, when necessary - there is no debating this either. The #11 mentality does not care and would see bloodshed to accomplish their long term progressive aim to have all conservatives be as fish in a barrel.
I´ve been on this site since week 1, if not day 1 and I´ve never seen such tolerance for such a dangerously subversive set of bought-and-paid-for commentary from a single, single-issue poster.
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
Barkingkangaroo, 1/20/2013 11:40:04 AM (No. 9128062)
It is intolerant and racist to take guns for protection away from guns owned by gays and black law abiding citizens who live in high crime black neighbourhoods.
It is hypocritical to arm the presidents security and put armed guards in his children´s school.
Crime rates will go up when citizens are unable to protect themselves.
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Reply 17 - Posted by:
dvc, 1/20/2013 11:54:20 AM (No. 9128095)
Most of these latest executive orders are well within the power of the POTUS and mostly completely irrelevant.
At the end of the article, the author would be well advised to look up and read the almost totally ignored Tenth Amendment.
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States, respectively, or to the people."
So, if there is not a specific delegation of a power to the United States (Feds) written into the Constitution, then the power REMAINS with the States. ALL gun regulations and laws are not part of the Constitution, and therefore are subject to State laws. Ultimately, the resurection of the much ignored 10th Amendment needs to be taken seriously now days as the Feds consistently overreach.
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Reply 18 - Posted by:
On fire, 1/20/2013 1:04:25 PM (No. 9128253)
16 speaks the truth about the bunny.
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Reply 19 - Posted by:
R. Edgar, 1/20/2013 1:48:21 PM (No. 9128333)
Ditto #16 and #19.
Exactly. There were a number of one-note posters on here when Clinton was POTUS, too.
In response to #11, the weak-minded refuse to see we are right now transitioning out of the Talking stage and into the Action stage of a civil conflict. Why should we continue to talk? Why should I worry about my ugly comment when I have received a thousand-fold in return for no good reason? A lot of people out here are like trees that bend mightily in the wind, but when the wind blows long enough, they will snap, one by one.
And all the talk and all the insincere expressions of reasonable discourse will slam into the cold, hard wall of Reality.
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