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Obama Asks Doctors to
Help Deal With Guns

Weekly Standard, by Daniel Halper

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Posted By:JoniTx, 1/16/2013 2:30:32 PM

According to a background briefer provided by the White House, President Barack Obama is asking doctors to help deal with guns. Here´s the relevant passage: PRESERVE THE RIGHTS OF HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS TO PROTECT THEIR PATIENTS AND COMMUNITIES FROM GUN VIOLENCE: We should never ask doctors and other health care providers to turn a blind eye to the risks posed by guns in the wrong hands. Clarify that no federal law prevents health care providers from warning law enforcement authorities about threats of violence: Doctors and other mental health professionals play an important role in protecting the safety

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: daphne, 1/16/2013 2:34:33 PM     (No. 9120437)

Oh goodie. I can just see my doctor doubled over with laughter at this latest insanity as he zooms from examining room to examining room because he is a board certified internist in Southern California who has a large caseload of Medicare patients--not sure that he´s accepting any new ones. O keeps talking and my doctor will take early retirement.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: chumley, 1/16/2013 2:36:29 PM     (No. 9120443)

I asked the doctor I go to about that when Zerocare was first foisted on us. He said he would never ask in the first place. He said it was none of his business.
Then he told me about the nice AR-15 he had just bought.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Rubinski, 1/16/2013 2:38:24 PM     (No. 9120445)

As a health care provider this concerns me greatly.

Am I now liable for a patient that commits gun violence? Will I be sued if I don´t report to the authorities and something happens with my patient?

I suspect I could be liable if it is now incumbent upon me to ask and document whether they have a gun at home, where the guns are stored, where the ammunition is kept etc.

Fascist state--it´s here.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: shamrock, 1/16/2013 2:40:35 PM     (No. 9120451)

#3, anyone that would answer those intrusive questions is nuts, so rat them out. There, helped you out.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: youngtexan, 1/16/2013 2:43:20 PM     (No. 9120454)

I´ll be damned if my doctor ask me questions about me being a gun owner.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Rubinski, 1/16/2013 2:43:52 PM     (No. 9120457)

I suppose I could chart "patient denies access to any guns", after telling the patient "I am supposed to ask you if you have access to any guns at home, because I have to report that to the government. You don´t, do you?"

It´s not like I am going to administer a lie detector test. I can´t control whether patients tell me the truth--I can only document what they tell me.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: FL_Absentee_Voter, 1/16/2013 2:44:10 PM     (No. 9120459)

Won´t the remaining doctors soon be government employees, anyway? So this would fall in line with the master plan.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: NuGoddess, 1/16/2013 2:44:55 PM     (No. 9120461)

What about doctor/patient confidentiality? At what point is my physician obliged to violate my trust in him by ratting me out to the Feds?

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Rubinski, 1/16/2013 2:45:50 PM     (No. 9120463)

**Of course I would not do that with someone I had actual concerns about...

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Rubinski, 1/16/2013 2:47:21 PM     (No. 9120466)

#8, if the patient expresses intent to harm himself or others, medical confidentiality is trumped.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: OhMy, 1/16/2013 2:51:11 PM     (No. 9120477)

All you doctors out there look on the bright side! You are not supposed to make a living by curing illness so now you could be allowed to get yourselves some income on the side by reporting gun owners to the government. Government work pays well and it could support you while you undertake the volunteer work of healh care provider.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: whyyeseyec, 1/16/2013 2:52:17 PM     (No. 9120481)

Doctors, hospitals and clinics a-l-r-e-a-d-y notify the police when someone comes in with a gunshot wound.

Perhaps Dictator would like to assign an ATF agent to each doctor. They can hold hands during surgery so the agent can capture the bullet fresh from the wounded individual..../s/s/s

Stupid @ss govn.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: LadyHen, 1/16/2013 2:52:26 PM     (No. 9120482)

And we as patients are perfectly within our rights to out and out lie... just as we do about how much exercise we take and how much bad food we eat.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: fayebeck, 1/16/2013 2:53:08 PM     (No. 9120484)

After all the bluff and bluster I just wonder how many "gun violence VICTIMS" will sue the doctors who did not play obama´s game?

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Reply 15 - Posted by: Rubinski, 1/16/2013 2:55:50 PM     (No. 9120490)

#12 - when I worked trauma, there WERE in-hospital ATF agents that would observe bullets being removed--they would also collect them for evidence. It was so there was no mixup about the bullet during any criminal prosecution.

Sorry for the multiple posts.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: ScarletPimpernel, 1/16/2013 2:56:11 PM     (No. 9120493)

#2 I hope there are more doctors like yours.

My husband and I refuse to answer questions about guns on those medical forms. Period. One doctor actually agreed with my husband that the question is inappropriate.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: antiquegolf, 1/16/2013 2:56:26 PM     (No. 9120496)

Doctor: Mr. Antique, do you have any guns in your home?

Mr. Antique: Do you have any?

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Reply 18 - Posted by: horacer, 1/16/2013 3:00:25 PM     (No. 9120508)

If you´re going to ask about guns then you have to ask about knives, hammers, chain saws, tire irons, bricks ...

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Reply 19 - Posted by: Safari Man, 1/16/2013 3:04:05 PM     (No. 9120514)

#7 is on the right track. This is Obama revealing his feeling that medical professionals are already responsible to the government and are basically government agents. Its a small step from there to force them to b employees of the government.

George Orwell call your office.

I can see it now, the Dr says drop your trousers, bend over, and let me check you for weapons... as he snaps his latex gloves.


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Reply 20 - Posted by: Penney, 1/16/2013 3:04:24 PM     (No. 9120518)

Doctor´s are already being required to ask a long list of personal questions of patients in order to comply with 0bamacare, including, ´´Does you house have a second story.´´ Now, 0bama adds this to the list?!!! How invasive of privacy can the dem pols get?!!! ...Enough already!

Shun dem pols!

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Reply 21 - Posted by: peasantnumberthree, 1/16/2013 3:04:39 PM     (No. 9120520)

I agree this is an unwarranted intrusion into people´s lives.

If I am ever asked questions about this and am called on my answers, I plan to do what Dr. House says all patients do - lie.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: heartsurgeon, 1/16/2013 3:08:07 PM     (No. 9120526)

Obama is making doctors liable for gun violence. I can see the lawsuits flying...


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Reply 23 - Posted by: AltaD, 1/16/2013 3:15:50 PM     (No. 9120536)

I never lie to my doctors. When they ask how often I exercise I say "I don´t exercise.", when they ask I´m getting enough calcium or veggies I say, without hesitation, "No.". I think my frankness surprises them but I figure it´s best they know the truth. However, being a gun owner has nothing to do with my health so if/when I´m asked I will refuse to answer or maybe, I´ll lie.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: heartsurgeon, 1/16/2013 3:17:41 PM     (No. 9120540)

Exactly how will this actually prevent any killing? Does anyone believe people are going to be arrested or committed based on report of threat? This isn´t even a new law or proposal, obama is merely deflecting potential blame to physicians, and likely spawning a new class of malpractice lawsuits based upon notfollowing HHS defined best practices in interrogating and reporting patients based on gun ownership....this is a nightmare.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: Time4AR2, 1/16/2013 3:19:16 PM     (No. 9120544)

What happens if you assert your Fourth Amendment right against unreasonable search and seizure?

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Reply 26 - Posted by: GreatPlains, 1/16/2013 3:21:19 PM     (No. 9120548)

His 2nd Order should raise eyebrows ,too.
Actually, cause them to fly off.
2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act,
that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.

HIPAA has many draconian orders , like demands that all computers in physician´s office can never be viewed by the public.
If a spot check reveals an office computer at an improper angle , even just off a smidgen-the physician can face huge fines.
Physicians can even lose their licenses for picayune infractions.
But..now Barry wants physicians to tell the feds if someone
is depressed or stressed from marriage or job woes ?
We should all abide by Don´t Ask Don´t Tell as much as possible the next four looooong years.


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Reply 27 - Posted by: Davids918, 1/16/2013 3:25:27 PM     (No. 9120556)

I´m sure the ACLU will want to chim-in on this topic just like they did with the mental hospitals, and prevented MA from having involuntary admittance which the mother wanted to do, but was prevented by the actions of the ACLU.



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Reply 28 - Posted by: LadyHen, 1/16/2013 3:26:55 PM     (No. 9120561)

Oh btw... many doctors following the guidelines set out by the American Academy of Pediatrics "Injury Prevention Program" have for years been collecting information on firearms in homes with children.

The AAP´s position on guns has always been "no guns" so of course they have no agenda. /s

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Reply 29 - Posted by: starsNstripes, 1/16/2013 3:47:26 PM     (No. 9120601)

Two points:

1. Last week several posts showed NRA-friendly language embedded in Obamacare that made it illegal for doctors to capture the answers to the "do you have any guns at home?" question and then forward this to any government agencies. The NRA apparently go Harry Reid to slip this into the bill at the 11th hour. So not only is HIPPA a roadblock, but now Obamacare is too. So now not only will doctors get sued by victims of gun crimes, but they´ll get sued by gun owners who have had their privacy violated. Lose-Lose for doctors.

2. If doctors will have to ask the "do you have guns at home" question and then report to authorities if the answer is yes, will Obama´s daughters get in trouble when they answer yes? After all, technically, the SS details all carry weapons in the Obama´s house(s) whether in DC or Hawaii.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: bldrrepub, 1/16/2013 3:52:36 PM     (No. 9120608)

My doctor´s practice was part of a pilot study back in 2010. The questions started off innocuously enough: Have you traveled overseas recently?, etc. The third question was "Do you have any guns in the house?". I told the nurse with a added profanity that it was none of her business.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: kanphil, 1/16/2013 3:53:05 PM     (No. 9120609)

When I took one of my flock in for a checkup the other week, there was a substitute doc there who asked the question. I answered indirectly saying most people in my neighborhood own guns. She followed with asking if I kept them locked up. "What locked up?" was my answer. She gave up. By the way, my regular doc would have known better than to ask.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: Jubilationtcornpone, 1/16/2013 3:55:35 PM     (No. 9120612)

I haven´t read the actual legislation proposed, but what I get out of it is that doctors who feel their patients may be a danger to themselves or others, ask about guns in the household. My father went through a severe depressive episode several years ago and the doctor advised my mother to get the guns out of the house. I don´t know what the reporting requirements will be or if patients need to meet some threshold before reporting occurs. But iif we´re talking about keeping guns out of the hands of mentally unstable people, this may be a start.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: Jethro bo, 1/16/2013 4:04:27 PM     (No. 9120622)

Meet the fascist state´s m=newest spy, your doctor. HOw pathetic has our gooberment gotten to sink to levels of destroying the trust between doctor and patient just so Big Brother can spy on its citizens.

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Reply 34 - Posted by: Grambo, 1/16/2013 4:05:11 PM     (No. 9120625)

Of course, the purpose of physicians asking about guns is not to encourage or promote safety, it´s to find out where the guns are and put pins in the map so as to know where to go to get them.

The correct answer to the question is, "Doctor, can we stay on topic, my medical issues?"

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Reply 35 - Posted by: rmsimms, 1/16/2013 4:08:30 PM     (No. 9120631)

Whatever you say to your doctor will be taken down and put in your central FedGov Obamacare™ file that can be freely accessed by anyone from Dem operatives to your insurance company....you bet I´m going to lie if they ask me. You can bet they will mark anything other than no as YES.

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Reply 36 - Posted by: sgtfox of the jarhead clan, 1/16/2013 4:11:45 PM     (No. 9120635)

Next we will have the ´Obama Youth´ who will report any suspicious activity at home . It will be their duty in the young democrat brigades. They will be asked what books Dad reads and what his hobbies are.

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Reply 37 - Posted by: nonsense, 1/16/2013 4:11:49 PM     (No. 9120636)

What´s the name of the lake where the boaters lost their guns overboard? In case I need it the next time I visit the friendly family dr.

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Reply 38 - Posted by: Philipsonh, 1/16/2013 4:16:10 PM     (No. 9120642)

I have no guns and I am NOT going to tell my doctor about the B-52 Bomber I have in my garage. She would refer to to a psychiatrist,
but he is likely at the (gun) range practicing. Seriously, there is NOTHING one can think about our current Administration which would be too outrageous, because no matter how idiotic an idea you have, they always top it with more and more truly delusional ones. I doubt if even one doctor in 100 would even consider asking a patient about weapons, not ask, even CONSIDER. Obama is simply an alien to our culture and laws.
That is my OPINION.


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Reply 39 - Posted by: steveW, 1/16/2013 4:27:06 PM     (No. 9120659)

It sure is beginning to feel like Obama is pushing, intentionally pushing, sentient Americans (those who didn´t vote for him) to the point of no return. I wonder what he plans to do then..

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Reply 40 - Posted by: Charactercounts, 1/16/2013 4:29:21 PM     (No. 9120664)

#29 is correct. Our pediatrician asked our kids, about 20 years ago, about guns in our home. When I asked why he wanted to know, he told me that the American Academy of Pediatricians had mandated that they collect this information from patients.

By the way, the kids jumped up and down and told the doctor all about their supersoaker water guns.

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Reply 41 - Posted by: Udanja99, 1/16/2013 4:33:03 PM     (No. 9120669)

S the bottom line is that all of this nonsense benefits lawyers. Imagine that.

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Reply 42 - Posted by: eoddad, 1/16/2013 4:33:43 PM     (No. 9120670)

Cuba routinely loans out its so called Doctors, especially in Venezuela where they are KNOWN to act as Intelligence Collectors and Propagandist in the Barrios. The Obama Dictatorship is being built here one brick at a time.

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Reply 43 - Posted by: Dante, 1/16/2013 5:06:15 PM     (No. 9120736)

Surely kitchen knives are also a danger, can we inquire about those as well? How about baseball bats and tire irons?

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Reply 44 - Posted by: chief1942, 1/16/2013 5:10:37 PM     (No. 9120751)

My PCP actually has a .357 mag for her self protection. I worry little about this aspect of the debate. Even if she were to ask I would simply reply "None of your business. Next question?".

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Reply 45 - Posted by: QRP, 1/16/2013 5:18:03 PM     (No. 9120772)

You had better answer NO. Anything else is going to go down as a yes.

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Reply 46 - Posted by: Time4AR2, 1/16/2013 6:17:00 PM     (No. 9120887)

Rush and reply 41 wonder about obama´s motives.

Two words: Martial Law.

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Reply 47 - Posted by: Blue-Z-Anna, 1/16/2013 6:35:12 PM     (No. 9120921)

Like that drunk in the bar....pushing...pushing...insulting...degrading.....giving no quarter.....showing no signs of someone who shares your ultimate goals....

....seems like just one punch would do it.

But then, I´m a lover not a fighter.

hash tag= lover, not fighter
do not investigate.

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Reply 48 - Posted by: Coy860, 1/16/2013 6:44:01 PM     (No. 9120939)

Defense attorneys, even if their client TELLS them they are going to kill someone, are forbidden from notifying law enforcement..attorney/client privilege you know. s/

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Reply 49 - Posted by: pineledger, 1/17/2013 5:43:24 AM     (No. 9121569)

Any doctor asks me that, I´m walking out.

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Reply 50 - Posted by: feziwig, 1/17/2013 5:14:26 PM     (No. 9122794)

Just finished my second "wellness exam". Although the question was never asked, I had two replies at the ready:

a.) "None of your damned business".
b.) "What do you think of this little baby", as I pull my pistol out of my pocket.

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Look, everyone loves Sean Connery, particularly Sean Connery. That’s why he plays Sean Connery in every movie he’s in. People love that Scottish brogue so much, they don’t mind that he has it when he plays Juan Sánchez Villa-Lobos Ramírez, an immortal Spaniard in Highlander. The guy even won an Oscar for playing an Irish cop with a Scottish accent. Talk about sexist double standards: Meryl Streep has to master foreign dialects to get her golden statuettes. Connery just has to show up on time. In economics you devalue a currency by printing too much of it. In film you

Elizabeth Warren whines about coverage
of her fraudulent Indian claim

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Daily Caller, by Patrick Howley    Original Article
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Democratic Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren wrote in her forthcoming book that she was “hurt” and “angry” by 2012 reporting on her fraudulent claim to Native American heritage. “What really threw me, though, were the constant attacks from the other side,” Warren wrote in her book “A Fighting Chance.” “I would almost persuade myself that I was starting to get the hang of full-throttle campaigning and then — bam! Out of left field, the state Republican Party, or the Brown campaign, or some blogger, would launch a rocket at me,” Warren wrote, adding, ”I was stunned by the attacks.” This reporter (blogger?) reported extensively

Former US president joins
opposition to Keystone XL

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Houston Chronicle, by Jennifer A. Dlouhy    Original Article
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WASHINGTON — Former President Jimmy Carter joined fellow Nobel laureates Wednesday in opposing Keystone XL, insisting that approving the pipeline would trigger “more climate upheaval” around the globe. In an open letter to President Barack Obama and Secretary of State John Kerry, Carter and the nine other Nobel Peace Prize winners bluntly warned the leaders: “Your decision on the Keystone XL tar sands pipeline will define your climate legacy.” The missive, published as an advertisement in Politico, represents the first time Carter has taken a position on the $5.4 billion project and makes him the first former president to come

Fox News Poll: Many voters say Obama lies
to the country on important matters

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Fox News, by Dana Blanton    Original Article
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About six in ten American voters think Barack Obama lies to the country on important matters some or most of the time, according to a Fox News poll released Wednesday. Thirty-seven percent think Obama lies “most of the time,” while another 24 percent say he lies “some of the time.” Twenty percent of voters say “only now and then” and 15 percent “never.” Click here for the poll results. President Obama has been accused by political opponents and media fact-checkers alike of telling falsehoods. Frequently cited: His repeated claim that under Obamacare “If you like your plan, you can keep


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