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Obama to Take 23
´Executive Actions´ on Guns

Weekly Standard, by Daniel Halper

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Posted By:StormCnter, 1/16/2013 1:22:04 PM

The White House announced today that President Barack Obama will take 23 "executive actions" to deal with guns. The "executive actions," as introduced and written by the White House, are: 1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system. 2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system. 3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system. 4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: glcinpdx, 1/16/2013 1:25:58 PM     (No. 9120286)

It is a tale Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury Signifying nothing.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Muncsdad, 1/16/2013 1:27:49 PM     (No. 9120290)

There has to be more to this than this list, which (at first reading) seems pretty benign.

Some of these suggestions actually make sense--so is this a parody?

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Reply 3 - Posted by: spit the bit, 1/16/2013 1:30:05 PM     (No. 9120295)

Of course, the devil is in the details...


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Reply 4 - Posted by: LadyHen, 1/16/2013 1:30:17 PM     (No. 9120296)

Maybe I am missing something here but that sounds like a whole lot of NOTHING.

I get the sneaky feeling "the power of political self preservation" kicked in despite the perpetual deafening whine of the George Soros funded gun grabbing mob.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: horacer, 1/16/2013 1:31:33 PM     (No. 9120299)

These are executive actions not orders. Like hire an ATF director. Wow. Tell agencies to do their job. Double wow.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: heartsurgeon, 1/16/2013 1:32:19 PM     (No. 9120302)

Obama is setting doctors up for lawsuits based upon some crazy shooting up a crowd, and the doctor not having identified and reported the crazy for having guns...or conversely reporting someone they feel is bonkers (who has guns), and getting sued for breach of confidentiality.

Obama can now blame doctors for gun violence...who saw that coming eh?

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Reply 7 - Posted by: Dixie, 1/16/2013 1:33:36 PM     (No. 9120305)

I agree that most of this stuff sounds reasonable enough...so it is just to calm people down and get people to accept that the federal government can set up regulations regarding guns.

Then, they will require that certain types of guns be turned in...
Or, they will require that everyone provide the federal government with a full list of guns he/she possesses.

Of course people won´t comply with turning in their guns or submitting a list of same.

This will make those people (mostly conservatives) into automatic criminals, subject to federal prosecution. And once they begin cracking down on that, it will spread fear among the population. This is following the Nazi pattern prior to WWII.


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Reply 8 - Posted by: woodsman, 1/16/2013 1:36:21 PM     (No. 9120313)

He just threw HIPPA out the window.....call you crazy...collect your guns - easy!

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Reply 9 - Posted by: krause, 1/16/2013 1:39:06 PM     (No. 9120320)

These are the vanilla steps to make it sound reasonable. The details, to be determined, will grow this ´law´ into a hugely expensive monstrosity with little or no results. What government program hasn´t? The positive in this is that the lefties will feel real satisfied with themselves and the ´good´ their doing.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Bobn.T, 1/16/2013 1:54:21 PM     (No. 9120347)

Evil now controls the country.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: curious1, 1/16/2013 1:59:27 PM     (No. 9120360)

#7, "This will make those people (mostly conservatives) into automatic criminals, subject to federal prosecution. And once they begin cracking down on that, it will spread fear among the population."
At the point where they begin ´cracking down´, the crackees should do unto the federal crackers first, spreading fear and alarm among those would-be federal ´masters´ so they remember their ´place´.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: antiquegolf, 1/16/2013 2:02:51 PM     (No. 9120370)

Universal background checks is a terrible idea. Does obama mean that if you buy a shotgun and give it to your 12 year old son, he has to background checked? If you sell or give a shotgun to your brother in law on a private sale, does he have to be background checked? What a load. Such a requirement would transform millions of Americans into criminals.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Blackeagle, 1/16/2013 2:03:05 PM     (No. 9120371)

No mention of gun shows, magazines, etc. Looks like a punt to me.

Reminds me of the build up by the Donald just before the election - where he promised huge news about Obama but instead served up a nothing-burger.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: Jonr, 1/16/2013 2:06:28 PM     (No. 9120376)

Unless this Marxist is stopped now you can kiss your Constitution and butt goodbye! There are no half measures with this anti-American president! He IS out to destroy all that we God/gun/country lovers hold dear!

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Reply 15 - Posted by: RCFlyer98, 1/16/2013 2:07:17 PM     (No. 9120378)

The amount that we´re paying this POS and his spending frenzy, he comes up with this? The joke is on us! Tragic joke that it is.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: Michaelus, 1/16/2013 2:10:34 PM     (No. 9120384)

What #1 said. Remember that the Virginia Tech shooter, the guy who shot Rep. Giffords and the Batman Movie shooter were all obviously insane yet they all passed their Federal background checks when they bought their Glocks. The Feds really ought to fix this....

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Reply 17 - Posted by: whyyeseyec, 1/16/2013 2:14:24 PM     (No. 9120394)

I am sure the GOP is drawing up Articles of Impeachment just now......./s

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Reply 18 - Posted by: lakerman1, 1/16/2013 2:17:21 PM     (No. 9120398)

#16, in each case you cited, there was a blocking of information about each of those killers, in the interests of ´personal privacy.´ Either HIPPA or the Buckley education privacy act blocked the information.
During my teaching career, from time to time, I have watched a student emerge as mentally ill, taken each of them to the counseling center, and the counseling center refused to tell me anything. (feedback is incredibly important for future use.)

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Reply 19 - Posted by: drkillj0y, 1/16/2013 2:19:15 PM     (No. 9120403)

Technically,
Directive #4 allows the AG to declare anyone ´prohibited individual´, this means YOU.

Directive #8,14,&15 paves the way for future restrictions.

#16 overrides the Reid amendment in the HellCare bill.

#17 is going to get tested in court.

#18, what the heck is a ´school resource officer´


AND, they still hasn´t address hammer violence.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: judy, 1/16/2013 2:21:20 PM     (No. 9120406)

It makes the dems feel all warm & fuzzy when they use the pen & do a presser with the non media swooning...

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Reply 21 - Posted by: enuf8, 1/16/2013 2:23:04 PM     (No. 9120412)

He didn´t want to go too far right now--guess the spinal infusion of ´impeachment´ made him leave out a lot he wanted, like a total ban on "assault" weapons. But, isn´t any weapon used to fire at a victim an "assault" weapon?

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Reply 22 - Posted by: Kurto, 1/16/2013 2:24:21 PM     (No. 9120415)

Once the pot cloud clears at the DU, they will start to realize that 0 did not take away the evil guns...

0´s gun control reforms are a waste of more money that we will have to borrow from the Chinese.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: mean Gene, 1/16/2013 2:31:14 PM     (No. 9120431)

Quite often, after Obama USES a human shield, the alternate press (net) finds them and shows them to be on the payroll, so to speak.
In this case Grant Fritz (of Maryland) and Taejah Goode (of Georgia) and Julia Stokes and Hinna Zeejah are not ID´ed by hometown even.
That might slow the web press down a day or two.
But my money is on them being in union or government families.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: antiquegolf, 1/16/2013 2:35:08 PM     (No. 9120440)

#19, you didn´t ask me, but a school resource officer (SRO) is code for school cop. From my experience, most school cops are worthless.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: LadyHen, 1/16/2013 2:40:16 PM     (No. 9120449)

#16.. How? Read minds? Confiscate all American´s health records?

You want to put the government, yes THIS government, in charge of determining and identifying the exceptionally arbitrary nature of "potentially violent" mental illness and regulating those people they classify as possibly dangerous? Not actual acts of violent mental illness mind you, just the potential for violent mental illness. Don´t simply prosecute those rare cases where violence occurs but predict the "future" and thus disenfranchise millions of Americans from their right of self protection with what actual proof.. a whim, a rumor, a medical history that millions of other people who never commit any crime share? Do you have any idea the slippery slope you are opening yourself up to?

To these folks like Obama and his brand of progressives the simple act of owning a firearm is an indicator of potentially violently mental illness that they would happily use to confiscate every firearm in this nation. Don´t believe me, read up.

#18 because someone else´s health information is none of your business just as your history of illness whether physical or mental is none of mine. I protect the rights of others for the selfish motivation of protecting my own rights.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: trapper, 1/16/2013 2:45:12 PM     (No. 9120462)

Let´s see here:

1 - every piece of information the feds have about you, scattered throughout the IRS, HHS, Social Security, and everywhere else, will be centralized in the "background check system."

2 - Any barriers to this centralization, e.g. HIPPA, will be eliminated.

3 - "Incentives" to bludgeon states to send every scrap of info THEY have on you into the federal "background check system."

4 - Bingo! Here it is! This is the big one! Eric Holder will make a list of the "categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun." Anyone who has EVER had a prescription for [fill in the blank] will be banned, and it´s going to be a big, all-inclusinve list. EVERYONE will qualify for the ban somehow. For example, everyone who has EVER been diagnosed with ADD, depression, alcoholism, heart disease, diabetes, insomnia, or any other medical condition the medication for which is OR COULD HAVE mood altering side effects will be permanently banned from owning a gun.

16 - Refute the plain language of Obamacare protecting gun rights.

The rest - No healthcare for you unless you disclose whether you own a gun, and if you own one, no healthcare for you until you turn it in.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: trapper, 1/16/2013 2:51:25 PM     (No. 9120478)

Visualize it:

You stagger into the emergency room clutching your chest, the pain drops you to your knees, you mutter "heart attack," and the ER nurse asks you "do you own a gun?"

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Reply 28 - Posted by: janjan, 1/16/2013 3:01:38 PM     (No. 9120513)

This is a gun grab pure and simple. Obama decided that the Feds will now decide if you are qualified to own a gun or not. Guess which side most of us will fall? Republicans will probably automatically go on the list. The most chilling (but predictible) outcome of this is using the Obamacare to control your behavior. This cannot be allowed to stand.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: LanieLou, 1/16/2013 3:05:40 PM     (No. 9120521)

ty 26! Also, Big Sis announced last year an initiative to label any returning military personnel with combat experience as unstable... and unable to own a gun.

Also, the merged database on all Americans already exists & a copy is in the hands of DNC election miscreants... We had so many districts with over 100% voting because not all stolen voters were registered.... ergo, new push to automatically register all Americans of voting age, by Holder.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: LadyHen, 1/16/2013 3:06:42 PM     (No. 9120523)

By nothing I mean no outright "gun/magazine/etc ban" which I didn´t anticipate anyway. There was nothing that the average Joe would sit back and say.. "Ahha!! he is grabbing guns."

Obviously there is more to this but without Congress and funding, this was just a performance for his base and to make him look "reasonable" to average Joe. The devil is in the details and the details will be determined by Congress. This was a punt to the people who own Obama and actually run this country, the WH staff and Dem Congress critters. They are already quite busy I am sure formulating some massive bloated bill that we will need to "pass to find out whats in it." Funding for all these measures, healthcare privacy reform, pressure put on the states, background check expansion, actual gun/magazine/whatever banning etc etc. Keeping loins girded... the real fight is yet to come.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: peasantnumberthree, 1/16/2013 3:12:36 PM     (No. 9120531)

Let´s see. The Federal government wants to take guns away from law-abiding citizens and the same time buys millions of rounds of heavy-caliber hollow-point ammo for themselves. Hmmm...

I smell a ´Rat...

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Reply 32 - Posted by: Davids918, 1/16/2013 3:30:30 PM     (No. 9120571)

Isn´t #4 actually a form of PROFILING?


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Reply 33 - Posted by: Penney, 1/16/2013 3:45:47 PM     (No. 9120597)

The recent past tragic mass murders which 0bama is using to propel his radical statist agenda, were ALL committed by mentally disturbed people. Most obtained guns illegally. Their targets were those most defenseless & vulnerable to the barbaric acts of mentally ill citizens who were not receiving proper medication & care. This same pattern & personal story of the murders repeats & repeats. Many become homeless or end up in prison when their own family can no longer handle them. This is tragic for all concerned, and for all of our civil society.

There are ALWAYS people around who, for whatever reason, prey on those most vulnerable for obvious reasons: ...because they are defenseless against attack. It is a reality everywhere on the planet and a neverending challenge to freedom. ´´Evil triumphs when good men do nothing.´´

Instead of addressing the heart of the matter, 0bama chooses to politicize EVERYTHING, regardless the stretch, as in this instance, he targets law abiding American citizens who own guns and who, if any had been present could have prevented these tragedies.

Is it possible, -desirable, to respect any elected official who so cavalierly is willing to twist & use any tragedy in order to deem his radical statist agenda by evading & marginalizing the U.S. Constitution and the will of the American people who expect those elected to remain faithful to their oaths of office?

Shun dem pols!

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Reply 34 - Posted by: Charactercounts, 1/16/2013 4:36:40 PM     (No. 9120678)

#30, could the effort to mark returning military vets as unstable (and thus would be unsuitable gun owners) have anything to do with the fact that veterans are probably some of our most patriotic folks, know how to handle weapons, understand military tactics, and have taken an oath to defend our Constitution?

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Reply 35 - Posted by: Veritas2009, 1/16/2013 5:12:28 PM     (No. 9120756)

every time some one prefaces gun control with common sense we need to ask "AS OPPOSED TO SILLY ASS"

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Reply 36 - Posted by: kenecarroll, 1/16/2013 5:30:24 PM     (No. 9120800)

To ALL armed Americans...don´t forget to read the small print on this. Once the foot is in the door they will chip away at the fabric until its over. 2nd Amendment states the right to hold and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED UPON(period). This guy and all that are attacking this amendment have already infringed upoin YOUR RIGHT. Given to you not by them (the commies of the USA) but by our fore fathers. MOLON LABE!!!!!!

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Reply 37 - Posted by: LanieLou, 1/16/2013 7:16:58 PM     (No. 9121021)

Someone played games with nominclature... probably Obama´s atty´s, to try & nullify any impeachment actions. An EA is the same as an EO... depending on what the meaning of Action is. (Clintonesque)

Changing Gun Control to Gun Violence is just symantics to allow Reid to vote for it.

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Reply 38 - Posted by: Pinchem, 1/16/2013 8:07:12 PM     (No. 9121132)

Folks, this was a watered down version of what he really wanted to say. The Backlash hit him square in the eyes.

"Obama Livid Over Gun Rights Backlash"
Then the backlash came and it forced Obama to back off. That´s why he stumbled through his speech because it was a last minute rewrite.

Read the whole story here of how the People won and Obama lost.

http://tinyurl.com/a5suvcv

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