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Range of executive actions
possible on guns, some more
controversial than others

Fox News, by Barnini Chakraborty

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Posted By:JoniTx, 1/12/2013 6:23:10 AM

Washington –As Vice President Biden prepares to hand in a set of recommendations to curb gun violence next week and pro-gun groups dig in their heels, the vice president has put in play the possibility of using executive action to get controversial gun control measures on the books. Analysts and political scholars tell FoxNews.com that if the president goes through with his threat to circumvent Congress and issue executive orders, he is likely to face an expensive uphill legal battle – on the taxpayers’ dime. But while pro-gun lobbyists have vowed to challenge

  

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Reply 1 - Posted by: steveW, 1/12/2013 6:33:16 AM     (No. 9112090)

Americans must come together and demand that Barack Obama live up to his own words and immediately cease being guarded 24/7 by the evil, evil guns he would deny his subjects, I mean citizens, the possession of. I bet we could get over 150 million signatures on a petition in a matter of hours.


Reply 2 - Posted by: Spidey, 1/12/2013 6:34:50 AM     (No. 9112093)

What can Obama do about the million piece back orders on extended mags?


   

 

  


 
Reply 3 - Posted by: franq, 1/12/2013 6:53:56 AM     (No. 9112106)

Range of actions possible, all tyrannical.


Reply 4 - Posted by: proud2bninfidel, 1/12/2013 7:11:58 AM     (No. 9112129)

im beyond caring.
civil disobedience.
i will not be bound or obligated by unlawful decrees.
death to tyrants.


Reply 5 - Posted by: bpl40, 1/12/2013 7:37:14 AM     (No. 9112151)

Judge Napolitano put it best. The Second was "not written so we could hunt deer but written so that we could hunt tyrants". Nuff said.


Reply 6 - Posted by: LZK, 1/12/2013 7:48:40 AM     (No. 9112167)

I get the feeling the libbies know the American public will cruicify them "if" they take the guns -- so I´m thinking that this is a an attempt to solidify his wacko base....

For example -- those big bad conservatives would rather k@ll children than give up their guns....

What a guy!! He´s for everyone at every moment at every crisis. What a guy!!

LZK


Reply 7 - Posted by: udanja99, 1/12/2013 8:01:18 AM     (No. 9112185)

Pandora is anxious for this box to be opened, and just like in the myth, the result will not be pretty.


   

 

  


 
Reply 8 - Posted by: Dodge Boy, 1/12/2013 8:42:24 AM     (No. 9112248)

Obie and Bite Me bit off more than they can chew on this one. While the msm continues to till the soil and try to indoctrinate us with this liberal garbage, let´s hasten the departure of the msm now beginning with CNN and the slimes. Pravda is ready to come in and fill the void. Still amazing that the UK media and now a former communist news outlet have woken up, but the msm and the little people foot soldiers here in the USA still push on with Obie´s lost cause. Who´d of thunk it?


Reply 9 - Posted by: Coy860, 1/12/2013 9:00:16 AM     (No. 9112274)

Obama and Biden have outted themselves.
They are coming for Individual Rights, and will dismantle the Consitution, one step at a time. They have 4 years to do it.


Reply 10 - Posted by: Hotrod, 1/12/2013 9:07:06 AM     (No. 9112289)

What Obama and the big-city liberals don´t seem to know is that many, many democrats in ´´flyover country´´ are gun owners. They will not fall in line, like the urban rats. The wacko left is up against more than Republicans!


Reply 11 - Posted by: strike3, 1/12/2013 9:12:14 AM     (No. 9112301)

We have watched the illegal president take apart our best institutions and assault our morality because Americans were taken by surprise. There has been an argument for four years whether the kenyan was stupid or just evil. The MSM could do nothing but tell us that he means well, we just don´t understand him.

There is no doubt about the gun issue. He will have his hands full on this one because we will not roll over. Even if our republican "representatives" do.


Reply 12 - Posted by: stryker714, 1/12/2013 9:17:27 AM     (No. 9112312)


In news today:

President Obama has asked Joe Biden, renown Vice President of the
United States of America, to begin a knife council to determine what
can be done about the use of knives in committing murders. Reports
indicate grinding stones, used to sharpen knives, might be the first
imblements banned in the US. The Steak Restaurant Industry is said to
be up in arms and indicate the lack of sharp knives could hurt their
industry. Prisoners, who make up much of Mr Biden´s gun council, try
to give words of reassurance and say it is easy to cut meat with a
plastic spoon, just like they do in prison, so no big deal. Valerie Jarrett
will reportedly be asked to head up a scissors council which
understandably Fiskars, the hair industry, stores like Linens and Things and
Jo Anne Fabrics are concerned about. More announcements to come on
dangerous things and subsequent councils. Ms Nancy Pelosi, when
pressed on the issue, commented and assured the US citizenry that banning manufacture,
sale, possession and trade of these dangerous items would not cost the
economy one dime, just like she said about the healthcare bill.


/s off.


   

 



 
Reply 13 - Posted by: tnorling, 1/12/2013 9:20:00 AM     (No. 9112317)

Political posturing. Even dems don´t want to touch this one.


Reply 14 - Posted by: veritas, 1/12/2013 9:24:31 AM     (No. 9112328)

They will all be tyrannical.

They will all be un-Constitutional.

The usurper is revealing himself completely as an enemy of this nation.

We are Leonidas.

[BTW -- Virginia has a pretty good state motto -- Sic Semper Tyrannis.]


Reply 15 - Posted by: kate318, 1/12/2013 9:30:10 AM     (No. 9112343)

I´m with you, #4.


Reply 16 - Posted by: zoidberg, 1/12/2013 9:43:54 AM     (No. 9112368)

I´m fine with Obama having armed men to protect him, as long as they don´t use rifles equipped with folding or telescoping stocks, pistol grips, bayonet mounts, flash suppressors (or threaded barrels designed to accommodate them), or grenade launchers.


Reply 17 - Posted by: TunnelRat, 1/12/2013 9:50:21 AM     (No. 9112380)

"December’s bloody rampage in a Connecticut elementary school with a legally purchased high-power rifle"

Make up your mind, gang. Was it a ´high-power´ rifle or an ´assault rifle´. By definition an assault rifle is not high-powered, rather it uses ammunition of an intermediate power.

But then again, the firearm used wasn´t an ´assault rifle´ anyhow. It was just a standard, semi-automatic rifle.

Sheeeeeeeeeeesh!


   

 

  


 
Reply 18 - Posted by: gasmeterguy, 1/12/2013 9:58:44 AM     (No. 9112394)

What I leared about Executive Orders way back in 1960 evidently has been modified. EO did not have the force of law back then. Today they do.

OK, so that means Bush II could have outlawed abortion simply by issuing an EO. I wonder why he didn´t?

So our next Republican president can issue an EO requiring Voter ID, the wholesale deportation of illegals, and the repeal of ObamaCare.

I sit here all a-twitter in anticipation of our next conservative President.


Reply 19 - Posted by: Freeloader, 1/12/2013 10:08:08 AM     (No. 9112409)

"We should not forget that the spark which ignited the American Revolution was caused by the British attempt to confiscate the firearms of the colonists."

Patrick Henry
(1736-1799)


Reply 20 - Posted by: LudicrousSextus, 1/12/2013 10:12:22 AM     (No. 9112417)

Somebody tell the head bozo we´ll register our guns when he shows us his college transcripts...


Reply 21 - Posted by: MattMusson, 1/12/2013 10:14:24 AM     (No. 9112420)

Just because something is unconstitutional - does not mean you can´t get away with it if Congress and the SC refuse to take a stand.


Reply 22 - Posted by: indccc, 1/12/2013 10:35:42 AM     (No. 9112474)

The rifle was not used in New town. He left it in his car. He used handguns!

They keep lying because they know people are more afraid of and its easier to demonize, the big, bad ´assault´ rifle.


   

 



 
Reply 23 - Posted by: shamus, 1/12/2013 10:47:14 AM     (No. 9112498)

Obama will make lots of noise and then do something futile and stupid. This is his standard operating procedure.


Reply 24 - Posted by: Reality, 1/12/2013 11:08:11 AM     (No. 9112535)

My advice to the president on this issue: Follow your instincts and ask Hugo Chavez how he would handle the situation.


Reply 25 - Posted by: Butch59, 1/12/2013 11:11:30 AM     (No. 9112541)

•"[The Constitution preserves] the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation...(where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms."
--James Madison, The Federalist Papers, No. 46

For a huge listing of what the Founders wrote and said about the citizens possessing firearms, go to this website.

http://econfaculty.gmu.edu/wew/quotes/arms.html


Reply 26 - Posted by: RancherJack, 1/12/2013 11:16:10 AM     (No. 9112552)

I´m still confused on how people who won´t have anything to do with weapons think they´re going to disarm those citizens who are armed???


Reply 27 - Posted by: Starlifter Nav, 1/12/2013 11:20:19 AM     (No. 9112565)

Still hearing that "the rifle was not used" meme.

´Fraid not. It was part of the early-on mis-reporting. They got everything wrong two or three times in the first four hours - but it didn´t stop them from publishing it.


Reply 28 - Posted by: owl, 1/12/2013 11:22:52 AM     (No. 9112572)

And #19 , the first shot fired was by an American when a Brit attempted to take his weapon . Nope , the stoopid ****** is outsmarting himself by half . He figures his precious government will have a handle on us when we say we´ve had enough . The 2nd amm. comes right after the first , it isn´t parked down there next to the 14 .


Reply 29 - Posted by: fire_mission, 1/12/2013 11:39:06 AM     (No. 9112604)

“The jaws of power are always open to devour, and her arm is always stretched out, if possible, to destroy the freedom of thinking, speaking, and writing.”

John Adams


Reply 30 - Posted by: yuban, 1/12/2013 11:40:58 AM     (No. 9112606)

Nothing will happen. We will all scream and shout and then bend over. Always have, always will. Protesting here on L.COM will get you nothing more than "there, I feel better now". The Left has gotten what they have by actions.... riots, protests, etc. They DO something. Yup, keep on thinking voting will solve the Country´s ills and see where that gets you.


Reply 31 - Posted by: little guy, 1/12/2013 11:48:35 AM     (No. 9112616)

Keep pushing your illegal and far left agenda Obammy and you´ll imitate Lincoln in more ways than you´d like!


Reply 32 - Posted by: SoCalGal, 1/12/2013 12:02:24 PM     (No. 9112642)

Lots of public statements, blathering, bogus "consulting" and meetings, and then this will fizzle and die like a balloon the day after the birthday party. Why do you think he assigned it to Plugs?

Too costly in political capital (as indicated by the trial balloon in case he didn´t know it before), it will be quietly allowed to slip-slide away.


Reply 33 - Posted by: chicodon, 1/12/2013 12:35:45 PM     (No. 9112717)

I don´t think Obama will be doing many town hall type appearances in the next four years. For obvious reasons.


Reply 34 - Posted by: bluefindad, 1/12/2013 1:40:03 PM     (No. 9112832)

History has shown that no government can impose laws that do not carry the consent of the governed. In every case, the people either refuse to comply, or pretend to comply while devising other means to circumvent the law. The machinations by Obama and company will prove to be no exception.


Reply 35 - Posted by: alto, 1/12/2013 1:40:38 PM     (No. 9112834)

My favorite line from the movie Dutch. "I don´t take crap from little kiddies".
I´m and older and better man than our punk president. I´ll not be ruled by him or his kiddie group. I will continue to be the good and decent man I´ve been and I´ll follow all laws I deem valid, moral, and Constitutional. I will disregard all others.


Reply 36 - Posted by: billa, 1/12/2013 2:25:00 PM     (No. 9112909)

Ironic how both the cities of which BO has control over, Chicago and D.C., have the highest crime rates in the country.

Supplanted by the fact that every major urban city with BO´S vast majority of constituents live with the highest gun violence, highest crime, worse drug abuse, highest unemployment, children with either one parent or no parent, largest entitlement community and the least educated in the country.

What a resume?

One kook (white, of course) goes ballistic and the liberals go "knee jerk" and want all guns banned.

Hey Biden and BO...how are your bans, back ground checks, waiting periods and mental health assessment going to prevent the illegal sale and use of guns among the black and Hispanic/Mexican gangs rampant in California where deaths occur every single day? Oh. Wait. It won´t.

Based on their logic, everytime there is a plane crash, car crash, knife killing, etc., all these items should be banned as well.

Did either of them consider as the economy continues to plummet, crime naturally soars.


Reply 37 - Posted by: Udanja99, 1/12/2013 2:30:38 PM     (No. 9112918)

Speak for yourself, #30. There are millions of us who will NOT bend over.


Reply 38 - Posted by: Coy860, 1/12/2013 2:35:55 PM     (No. 9112931)

Guns are guns UNLESS and UNTIL they are pointed at a person, then they are an assault weapon.
Millions of guns are owned..very few ever become an assault weapon.


Reply 39 - Posted by: peterfleming, 1/12/2013 2:48:54 PM     (No. 9112952)

Who likes gun control, gun confiscation, criminalization of gun ownership? Here´s a new one from veteran blogger Jon Rappoport great article at www.nomorfakenews.com with the explosive title MEXICAN DRUG CARTELS CELEBRATE GUN CONTROL. It isn´t just Hitler
Stalin, Mao, Castro, Feinstein, Bloomberg,
Reid, Puglosi and George Clooney who love destroying the 2nd Ammendment. And Jon has inspired other suggestions. Test this headline: MUSLIM JIHADISTS CELEBRATE REJOICE
OVER GUN CONTROL. And, of course, we are not reminded every day that all criminals, all of our own drug dealing criminal underworld, all of them, celebrate our own citizen´s communists plottings for gun confiscation.


Reply 40 - Posted by: flatwater, 1/12/2013 3:10:00 PM     (No. 9112991)

When Barack Obama isn´t selling thousands of weapons to Mexican drug gangs, he´s busy lecturing the rest of us on "gun control."

How many more people will be murdered because of Obama´s treachery?

Why are Republicans too stupid and gutless to ask?


Reply 41 - Posted by: Happy Trails, 1/12/2013 3:11:33 PM     (No. 9112994)

Obama thinks he is Lincoln? Maybe Caesar? Hitler? Mussolini? Castro? Chavez? How about the most hated tyrant in American history? He´s getting there fast.


Reply 42 - Posted by: dragonlearner, 1/12/2013 3:41:13 PM     (No. 9113036)

I have some doubts about the seriousness of Obama´s actions. If he wanted something real done about guns, he wouldn´t have put that idiot Biden in charge of it. Instead, perhaps he doesn´t want anything done about guns but only wants an impression that he´s trying to do something. That pleases his base but at the same time he avoids a revolt by the majority of other citizens who want guns.


Reply 43 - Posted by: faith_and_reason, 1/12/2013 3:45:24 PM     (No. 9113045)

Obama will "improve" the economy by proclaiming that it is time to "beat our swords into plowshares." He will claim that he has convinced the major world leaders to cut defense spending tremendously.


"We have evolved as a race, the human race. We have come to realize that we are all in this together, and that we must put an end to international suspicions, international friction, power struggles. Heaven on earth awaits us if we will all submit to this agreement."


It is a fact that a cut in defense spending will dramatically improve the economy. If that is his tactic, it is a powerful one. And if enough people accept the Utopian claim that "We have evolved as a species, and are able to leave war and violence behind," then the masses might agree to "disarm" the civilians.


Reply 44 - Posted by: franq, 1/12/2013 4:00:55 PM     (No. 9113070)

At my local dealer this morning. Ammo shelves were nearly wiped clean. What was left was double the price since the last time I was in. It occured to me: they don´t need to pass a law to drive gun dealers out of business. Just make it so they have nothing to sell!


Reply 45 - Posted by: Blue-Z-Anna, 1/12/2013 4:10:08 PM     (No. 9113078)

Were the price of liberty the systematic slaughter of countless young lives then it would have been worth it.

We used to call it war.

It used to be what we were proud to fight for.


Reply 46 - Posted by: Partisan62, 1/12/2013 4:33:39 PM     (No. 9113104)

LS Sure could use you at Blue Ridge Debate.


Reply 47 - Posted by: Eliza M, 1/12/2013 5:41:39 PM     (No. 9113175)

Bring it on...We the People...Will not allow! a tyrannical government to dictate to us and try to eliminate our given right of the Constitution of the United States of America. We will defend (With the help of God) it till we die. A Patriot of the United States of America.


Reply 48 - Posted by: strike3, 1/12/2013 8:39:52 PM     (No. 9113327)

Remember, the obama gun grab is not an executive action nor is it legal. It is the paranoid kneejerk reaction of an incompetent fool who is in it over his head and is very afraid of the people he has promised to serve.


Reply 49 - Posted by: pineledger, 1/12/2013 10:27:25 PM     (No. 9113433)

Putting the village idiot in charge of this committee is just The Won´s way of giving its advice (unless prescripted by himself) the Simpson-Bowles treatment.

The Won do what The Won want.


Reply 50 - Posted by: kafir091101, 1/12/2013 11:33:08 PM     (No. 9113480)

#30: Please don’t insult me with your broad sweeping brush. You know little of what will happen if that Fascist in the WH tries to carry out his ‘threats’.

He already knows that even the Donkey controlled Senate will not support any meaningful gun restrictions and that the House is a dead end.

Why do I post this?

Because of so many posts across the internet that are of the opposite tone from your post. You may be negative and wussy but some of us can and will act when the need arises.

The Kenyan and his Commie buddies from ChiTown know this because they read posts like this and know the consequences if they try to circumvent Congress.

Tens-of-Thousands of us won’t take to the streets and riot. No, we will be behind the trees and rocks and hiding in the weeds all operating independently just like when the British retreated to Boston from Concord and Lexington in 1776.

Molon Labe/From My Cold Dead Hands

Kafir



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