The National Rifle Association said it was “disappointed” with the focus of a Thursday meeting with Vice President Joseph R. Biden and other groups over new gun measures, arguing that the White House gathering had less to do with keeping the country’s children safe and more to do “with an agenda to attack the Second Amendment.” “We attended today’s White House meeting to discuss how to keep our children safe and were prepared to have a meaningful conversation about school safety, mental health issues, the marketing of violence to our kids and the collapse of federal prosecutions of violent criminals,”
Did they really believe Biden and the Dems wanted to discuss keeping children safe??? Why are the people who are supposed be protecting our rights so naive??? It seems like they always expect the left to be sincere about what they say. They seem to be so gullible. I don´t get it! They should KNOW that these leftists are ALWAYS scheming and are never straight with anyone to whom they are ideologically opposed.
I hope that the NRA spokesperson is just being diplomatic and that they actually didn´t believe they could conduct any kind of a "meaningful" talk with the gun grabbers. Barry assigned Joe to this task for a reason and it is obvious that the decisions have already been made. The meetings with "stakeholders" were a mere formality so the dictator could twist the statements into the result that "most" Americans want strict gun control.
I can´t wait to see what they really mean by "allowing federal agencies to conduct research on gun violence". I can envision a day when you will be refused treatment under ObamaCare unless you agree to give up all guns registered to you as well as any found in a subsequent search of your property.
The publicly-stated subject of the meeting was "gun violence". If the NRA arrived and thought the subject was "school safety", then they obviously ignored the invitation they were given as well as all of the media publicity using the term "gun violence".
The NRA may be unhappy with how the meeting went, but it is disingenuous to suggest that the White House changed the subject.
Google searches for Hitler, Stalin and gun control or confiscation were very high in recent months. Were regime agents researching what processes worked in the past? What unforseen "obstacles" had to be overcome (or killed)?
Or were patriots arming themselves with the same information?
Let´s face it. Since pelosi took the gavel, the dems have made it quite clear they intend to become dictators in this country. And, because of a gutless congress and a corrupted supreme court and, it would appear, a compliant citizenry, they are achieving this goal.
Poster 6, I´ve seen 10 replays of sanctimonious biden at the gun violence conference in his muffled affect talking about those "defenseless children at the Connecticut school riddled with bullets, not hit with stray bullets, but riddled." Democrats always change the subject. They specialize in emotional, straw man arguments. Democrats constantly redefine words and use euphemisms to suit their leftist agenda. So please don´t cause our eyes to roll with your silly lecture about changing the subject.
the fact that the head of thev NRA didnt go was all i needed to know this was obozo waggin his finger in our face telling us he is king and we had better comply whell we though out one king we can do it again up yours obozo
Some people sat on their hands and did not vote for Republicans - a third party is not the answer and adds to splitting the vote and a losing one for the Pubbies. Until we have control of both houses we are dead in the water and the dims can do whatever they want.
Obama is pushing this country to violence because it will further his agenda. He wants chaos in this country and he will have it because he can´t fundamentally change this country without it. He is being provocatively contentious in dealing with the issue of gun control. He is in perpetual community organizer agitating mode. The democrats are in perpetual crisis mode. The media is in perpetual propagamda mode, and the Republicans are in perpetual whipped dog mode. Another perfect storm for governmental tyranny perpetrated on American citizens.
Obama has already geared up for this. His FEMA(DHS) has the training and facilities. However, at this point in time they don´t have enough people. They just have places for mass graves and ways to trasport the bodies. Make no mistake he wants to do this. He may never have enough people, but he needs to be stopped. Too bad our wimps in Congress can´t seem to get it right.
The real question is ... do you trust leaders who are sending our tanks and other armaments to the Muslim Brotherhood terrorists in Egypt to be used against Israel. The same people who sent 2000 assault weapons to the Drug Cartel in Mexico that caused the murder of 300 Mexican people. Do you trust them not use the guns they take away from you against you.
Obama and the rest of the criminals in Washington DC are about to start another civil war in this country by attempting to disarm law abiding citizens. They now have a clear record of killing innocent people around the world. They need controlling, not tax paying, law abiding people who need to protect themselves in Obama´s world. Who works for who in this twisted country today.
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pete moss, 1/11/2013 10:20:08 AM (No. 9110600)
Number 14 is right on the money. Our elected criminals, who have spent our country broke, would like nothing more than to create a one party dictatorship. I never thought I´d live to see it, but I fear that we are well on our way to another civil war.
"When a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security". From the Declaration of Independence.
These are the words of Thomas Jefferson himself. And he was supposed to be the first "Democrat"?
This is what Obozo is leading up to. Whether it´s intentional or not is not worth debating. He´s doing it. And, if we believe in the Declaration, and all we have learned from the writings of the founders ( those of us who have actually read them) then the time is fasting approaching for us to rise up and throw off the tyranny that is encompassing us.
Protection of the public is just a fig leaf. Our state and federal goobermints are wearing very tiny figleaves. If they had even a decent sized pair, they would have gone after the ILLEGAL guns in our inner cities decades ago and stopped the slaughter of the minorities, innocent and not-so-innocent, who live with gun violence every night.
Last night I renewed my NRA membership for three years - and I don´t even own a gun (not yet.) I let my original membership expire back in 2008. Last night I was on hold 28 minutes before I got through to a live NRA operator/associate.
You could not find a clearer, unmistakably brazen assault on the Constitution than this gun offensive. The mask is off, the gloves are off, all pretense of legitimacy is gone, and the line is drawn between the governors and the governed. Benjamin Franklin told us we had been given representative republic, if we could now just keep it. He knew that in time the test would come. Well, the time is here and we are the ones who will succeed or fail. It’s us or the man from nowhere.
Of course the NRA knew going in that the Obama administration were not plain dealers and would not be serious. They also know what the American people care about, safety. Hence the statement and hence not letting Obama reframe the real argument.
Not allowing over emotional know nothing pols reframe the real argument is a classic tactic of coming from a position of rational strength. Try it sometime.. pretty liberating.
#24 never explains himself, but I think his argument is that because the NRA added in the provision to the ACA that doctors should be discouraged from asking if people have a gun in their home that somehow they helped support and pass the bill. I don´t see it that way. I think they knew it was likely going to be pushed through anyway so they threw in the provision to keep them from using the information against gun owners. I don´t think that necessarily was a cause for the passage of Zerocare, however.
Wasn´t it one of Obama´s cabinet members who said at a graduation speech that "like Mao, we realize the only real power comes from the barrel of a gun"? They believe it and therefore they want to be the only ones with the guns.
They crave total power and they don´t care if they have to kill to get it. (See Fast & Furious). I believe they are perfectly willing to ignite a civil war to get it. The struggles of the coming days are exactly what the 2nd Amendment was written for. But how may Americans are willing to fight, kill, and possibly die, to defend thier liberties? Too few I fear...
I had a conversation recently with a woman who had gone to a new doctor. She was asked to fill out a questionnaire. One of the questions was whether or not she had guns in her household, and, if so, how many.
I asked what on earth that had to do with healthcare. She said she didn´t know, but that there were other questions about such things as income, etc., that seemed equally odd for such a questionnaire.
Reminds me of the questionnaire for members of the military that I was told about during the Clinton years. One of the questions dealt with the willingness of the person to fire on U.S. citizens. And, we all remember the military tanks at Waco.
These things, of course, didn´t come about overnight, or as the result of recent events. Lefist comrades in spirit, who are long since dead, dreamed of these times when their dreams are coming to fruition.
NRA was very smart to send a representative so they could at least hear the dialogue that took place in that room. I am sure going in that the NRA knew that the Whitehouse would not listen to their suggestions.
What other lobbying bodies are out there? Let´s not put all our gun defending eggs in one NRA basket. Imagine all this new socialist nazi pressure, more than ever before, and all of it focused on the NRA. The NRA likely will not fold, but now is the time to introduce new voices, new institutions to speak up. More voices. Dear Ted is not the only spokesman. And, we have to ask, where is OUR British guy, who is not a communist, OUR counter-terrorist Brit who can spar with Herr Piers Adolph Morgan. OUR guy who can tell us how miserable things are in England, having no guns, while being over run by totalitarian muslims and tons more socialism. Let´s get our own Olympic Pro Gun Team out there.
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