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The Real Gun-Control Consensus
Wall Street Journal, by Kimberley A. Strassel

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Posted By:Desert Fox, 1/10/2013 8:05:26 PM

The next time you hear a fellow American bemoaning the lack of Washington bipartisanship, tell him to cheer up. There is one issue on which Congress still resoundingly agrees: gun rights. Bear that in mind, too, the next time you read a story about the "new" political debate over gun control. An almost cosmic disconnect has been building in the political sphere since the tragedy of Sandy Hook. On the one side is the gun-control community, which sniffed a rare political opening and is determined to use it to the max. Vice President Joe Biden´s gun-violence task force

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: grampstosix, 1/10/2013 8:16:56 PM     (No. 9109860)

The problem is not guns. It is mental illness.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: markinalpine, 1/10/2013 8:34:34 PM     (No. 9109888)

#1,
Are you saying that the obysmal won will take Joey´s shotguns away?

Another reason bobo may have given this task to Joe is all they have to do is dust off the gun-grab plan they already had to satisfy the public outrage generated by the Fast & Furious exercise, except they got caught, change a few words, put on a new cover, and PRESTO, new plan.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Crosscut, 1/10/2013 8:35:53 PM     (No. 9109891)

Democrats that continue to pursue gun-control are risking political suicide.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: Jethro bo, 1/10/2013 9:09:52 PM     (No. 9109930)

The problem isn´t Congress, but Executive Order. Obambi believes he is DIctator in Chief and has the power to do anything. And he will and it will take decades to overturn in the courts (if at all).

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Davids918, 1/10/2013 9:24:32 PM     (No. 9109943)

Need to constantly state how Democrats want
to take away your Constitutional rights.

They want to take away your lawfully purchased firearms.

Why? The Dems are scared of this link, at this time, and are trying to hide from this fact.


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Reply 6 - Posted by: leftcoastmom, 1/10/2013 10:24:56 PM     (No. 9109996)

Only a few are talking about the REAL problem...young men (boys) 14-25 who are on mind altering prescriptions such as Ritalin, Prozac, Zoloft, Paxil, Adapin, Thorazine, etc. Most of the mass shooters were on these drugs.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: StormCnter, 1/11/2013 10:17:47 AM     (No. 9110591)

FTA:Senate Democrat Joe Manchin caused a media sensation when he declared, immediately after Sandy Hook, that nobody needed "30 rounds in a clip." Less reported was that it took the Democrat about the time necessary for your average West Virginian to drive to a ballot box to clarify that statement and to add that he´s "so proud of the NRA."

I love it!

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Reply 8 - Posted by: tulunk, 1/11/2013 10:40:23 AM     (No. 9110653)

There need be only two questions asked of each and every pro gun control advocate: Do you enjoy private protection for you professionally or privately, and is that protection armed with guns? Are you willing to disarm them as a sign of sincerely?

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Reply 9 - Posted by: rsgonner, 1/11/2013 11:04:30 AM     (No. 9110698)

This is the line in the sand. The weasels who let obozo trample on the Constitution have to get a backbone, at long last. They should have shut him down the moment he fired the chair of GM.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: RancherJack, 1/11/2013 11:09:13 AM     (No. 9110713)

" ... shall not be abridged ..."

What part of shall not be abridged is hard to understand?

Piers Morgan, call your travel agent ...

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Reply 11 - Posted by: chicodon, 1/11/2013 11:25:40 AM     (No. 9110754)

So what do the Power Elite possibly have to gain by disarming the public? Scratching head...

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Reply 12 - Posted by: bmw50, 1/11/2013 11:49:19 AM     (No. 9110802)

This proves without a doubt that Democrats don´t like America as it is. They want it changed and if it takes executive orders or rewriting the Constitution, they will.

They honestly believe they can protect you better than you can, can provide your needs better than you can, can raise your children better than you can, can spend your money better than you can, can pick the right food to eat better than you can, can keep you healthier than you can, can do anything better than you can.

The people that are expanding the government to be more intrusive, are the same people who want to confiscate our guns. Shouldn´t come as a surprise.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Grambo, 1/11/2013 11:55:46 AM     (No. 9110812)

Obama’s MO for the second term is to govern by executive order fiat. As fast as the SCOTUS can shoot down his fiats, he’ll generate more. The glacial pace of SCOTUS litigation will ensure that Obama can institute his “complete transformation of America” with little effective opposition. Impeachment is the only thing that can derail his plans.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: Arby, 1/11/2013 12:03:37 PM     (No. 9110833)

When so many purchase guns because they´re afraid of government tyranny, we have a serious problem.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: tocsin, 1/11/2013 12:44:48 PM     (No. 9110922)

#11-the answer to your question can be found here:
http://lucianne.com/thread/?artnum=718346

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Reply 16 - Posted by: jayhawk, 1/11/2013 1:06:17 PM     (No. 9110980)

If you think you NEED to answer WHY anyone needs a certain number of rounds/clips, or automatic weapon, you´ve ALREADY lost the argument. Our 2nd Amendment guarantees your right to bear arms, period! All other comments/questions about it are irrelevant! Start your conversation THERE with gun-grabbers.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: Zumkopf, 1/11/2013 1:28:53 PM     (No. 9111037)

The Democrats *will* press the issue because it serves their interests whether it wins or loses: it distracts attention from what a horrible failure the Democrats have been in economic, foreign, and health care policies; it lets them attack Republicans: "We love children, the Republicans/NRA want to give guns to nutcases to kill children. The Republicans would love to kill the children themselves, but are too busy obstructing progress in Washington." Three, staying on the offensive keeps the Republicans in ´whipped dog defense´ mode.

And as for the "Congress will never pass it" argument, that´s precisely what a lot of people said about Obamacare.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: chicodon, 1/11/2013 1:36:18 PM     (No. 9111055)

#16
I forgot the /s. Like the founders did, I know exactly what they have to gain.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: veritas, 1/11/2013 1:49:32 PM     (No. 9111086)

1. It´s absurd to think we can actually "do something" about these one-in-a-zillion hyper-crazies before-the-fact.
2. The inalienable right to self-defense precedes and trumps any law that might be passed. That is, such rights are beyond the reach of gov´t. That happens to be what the Constitution itself recognizes in the Bill of Rights.
3. Point 2 means self-defense [and the rest] are not open to discussion or debate.
4. Do not incorrectly assume we therefore have no recourse re lunatic murderers. Rights cannot be taken from the law-abiding, but they can be forfeited by criminal acts.
5. Yes, it might be hard to defend these rights -- but it´ll be a lot easier than getting them back later.
6. And just to be sure -- it´s not about the guns; it´s all about control.

#10: "Infringed," as I´m sure you know.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: OhMy, 1/11/2013 1:58:08 PM     (No. 9111120)

More questions we need to keep asking this gun grabbing government. Why do they need so many rounds ( 8 or 10 per citizen ) of hollow point ammunition for homeland security and various Government agencies? Are they planning to kill a significant portion of the population after taking away their weapons like the commie gun grabbers did. Why do they consider returning veterans who know how to use a weapon a greater security threat than foreign terrorists? Documents coming from homeland security make this case.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: peterfleming, 1/11/2013 4:17:49 PM     (No. 9111376)

If it ever came down to gun confiscation, realistically not much chance, it is like drug prohibition: it creates a giant black market, criminal underworld. And big brother will now have more prospective criminals added to the citizenry. More innocent people to arrest simply by finding a (planted) gun in their car. So simple. Genocide is the predictable result of Hitlerian, Stalinist, Castro gun confiscation. In our early dictator America
it will be enough for the tyranny just to be able to arrest ANYbody they want to arrest. Meanwhile, as opposed to previous tyrannical confiscations (Germany, Russia,
Cuba, few Americans will ever give up their guns, so arrest, constant arrests, will be the only government tyranny answer.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: obviousity, 1/11/2013 4:20:27 PM     (No. 9111387)

These mass murder - suicides are a First Amendment problem. The murderer wishes to commit suicide with a blaze of glory. The press barons know that if it bleeds, it leads, sells big and increases their influence. When the "press" adopts a new policy of publicizing only those suicides that do no follow mass murder and refuses to even mention those suicides that mass murder, then there will be an end to the mass murder. We can return to the debate of disarming the army and the citizens and arming The Tyrant Obama´s private army.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: vesicant, 1/11/2013 4:31:01 PM     (No. 9111406)

To lefties, "bipartisanship" means agreeing with scumbama.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: Patchy Groundfog, 1/11/2013 4:31:45 PM     (No. 9111409)

In order to believe that the 2nd Amendment means ANYTHING besides protection against tyranny (e.g. hunting or self-defense, although they are perfectly legitimate pursuits) you must believe that the Founders drafted the Bill of Rights with all the amendments except the second from the top dedicated to protecting the individual from government. Such a belief defies common sense, which is why the lefties want to parse its meaning rather than examine its position within the context of the other amendments.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: eoddad, 1/11/2013 5:38:58 PM     (No. 9111492)

Ever wonder why Democrat Congressional districts are overrun with crime and Republican gun loving districts have virtually no crime.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: ArtieC, 1/11/2013 6:42:22 PM     (No. 9111590)

Democrats have been trying to grab guns since JFKennedy was shot. There was Ted and his Saturday night specials that have morphed into "assault weapons." Up until recently the Rs stood up to the grabbers. I´m not so sure we can count on the Rs this time.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: chesapeakebayboy, 1/11/2013 8:42:40 PM     (No. 9111713)

As #20 said, it´s all about control. Look at Mao´s China,Cambodia´s Packo Rouge, Vietman, Ussr, kill millions to gain control. They then live in the lap of luxury while bleeding the people and country.
#12, they don´t care about protecting you or your family(even the CHILDREN), they care about ruling over you and us. They are the ELITES don´t you know.
Be very careful what you do and say on the net. Use the library computers if neccessary.
Good luck and GOD bless and watch over us all. Give me liberty or give me death.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: larryp, 1/12/2013 12:41:20 AM     (No. 9111947)

It is a Bill of Atainder. As crippled as Wikipedia might be sometime, there is a great explanation and history there.
Bill of Attainder is declaring a person or persons guilty of some crime and punishing them w/o the privilege of a judicial trial.
There are other details but that is the crux. The creation of the list by Feinstein is the "Bill"imo.I am not an atty. That list and that vid "taints" the property of law-abiding Americans. There is no trial and no chance for defense.They think they are being clever to run this "quickly" by administrative action.Everything has to be done fast by the donks.
However these bill of attainder issues could be filed in Federal Court. So what if it gets thrown out. Move to another court: dismissed or not heard.Eventually it will get kicked up to the appeals level.
If the junta wants to rule buy decree, then the American citizens can as well.
Also the same statute is refered to as ex post facto (after-the-fact)laws and states that there is no inpairing of obligation of contracts...Wouldthat be bond-holders of corporations crammed down by the junta?


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