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Study shows college students think they´re
more special than ever...even those that
can´t read or write and barely study

Daily Mail [UK], by Staff

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Posted By:Attercliffe, 1/6/2013 8:29:19 AM

Books aside, if you asked a college freshman today who the Greatest Generation is, they might respond by pointing in a mirror. Young people´s unprecedented level of self-infatuation was revealed in a new analysis of the American Freshman Survey, which has been asking students to rate themselves compared to their peers since 1966. Roughly 9 million young people have taken the survey over the last 47 years. Pyschologist Jean Twenge and her colleagues compiled the data and found that over the last four decades there´s been a dramatic rise in the number of students who describe themselves as being

  

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Reply 1 - Posted by: Judith, 1/6/2013 8:42:39 AM     (No. 9101286)

I´a amazed! I thought there would be a long string of comments regarding just such a person residing at 1600 Penn. Ave.!


Reply 2 - Posted by: secondtimelucky, 1/6/2013 8:50:04 AM     (No. 9101296)

100 years ago when I was in high school, the worst thing you could say about another girl was ´´she´s so conceited´´. Now, it appears to be a common trait.

The big bad world will slap that out of them as soon as they get out of mom´s house and have to pay their own rent and power bills. Adult life can have a sneaky way of evening out the score...


   

 

  


 
Reply 3 - Posted by: Udanja99, 1/6/2013 9:03:48 AM     (No. 9101323)

Forty years of teaching "self esteem" instead of the 3 R´s and accurate history - who could have seen this coming?


Reply 4 - Posted by: MMC, 1/6/2013 9:05:12 AM     (No. 9101328)

Outcome based education will get you a room full of kids who are really uneducated but feel good about themselves. In fact, theybare so uneducated they dont even realize how uneducated they are....

If you take over the education process, break the family apart, take their guns away... Shazam! Take over the country.


Reply 5 - Posted by: maryann4629, 1/6/2013 9:06:35 AM     (No. 9101329)

The problem, #2, is that many of them can´t get out of Mom´s house, because of the economy. They´re in a prolonged state of adolescence, and may not actually learn responsibility until they are long past the age most of us were when real life slapped us alongside the head. (If ever, since Obama has promised them that they will always be taken care of.)


Reply 6 - Posted by: PChristopher, 1/6/2013 9:08:56 AM     (No. 9101336)

The only memorable quote from "friends":

"Who´s this FICA guy and why is he getting all my money!?"


Reply 7 - Posted by: richwill, 1/6/2013 9:11:15 AM     (No. 9101339)

The article expresses the same thoughts I have about college students, especially the freshman and sophomores.


   

 

  


 
Reply 8 - Posted by: a man over thirty, 1/6/2013 9:28:36 AM     (No. 9101367)

The Facebook generation. Rampant narcissism. The ´self-esteem´ advocates did their job all too well.

Humility? We don´t need no stinking humility.
S/O.


Reply 9 - Posted by: rabbit, 1/6/2013 9:29:50 AM     (No. 9101372)

#3 nails it. For years psychologists and educators - ´experts´ - have told us that we need to always be boosting our children´s self-esteem. That they are fragile and will give up if their self-esteem is not catered to. We ´non-expert´ parents questioned it, but we were told that ´experts say....´

Surprise, surprise. The ´experts´ were wrong, and so was the teaching style they insisted upon. Meanwhile,they railed against parents who pulled their kids out of public schools in favor of charter schools or homeschooling.


Reply 10 - Posted by: Pinchem, 1/6/2013 9:30:54 AM     (No. 9101375)

#4. May I take some liberty with your last paragraph.

"If you take over the education process, break the family apart, take their guns away... Shazam! A Country Full of Liberal Democrats."

On the other hand it isn´t all colleges. Parents fail to teach their children "real life" by allowing them to wallow around the house and do their "own thing".

I remember teaching my kids about the checkbook. For 3 months they had to enter the paycheck, then enter each bill we had, plus groceries, gas, etc. When they got to the end of the month they exclaimed "is that all that´s left?" After each did it for 3 months they realized there was no "free lunch" and that "Money didn´t grow on trees".

They also learned to clean house, cook and mow the grass and other things. Being "military brats" (moving around, getting a house, learning their way around the new town. They learned Discipline and Self Discipline. They can adapt anywhere they go with little problem.

No brag, just what I think most decent parents would/should do. Thankfully my two children do not fall into the traps of this article.


Reply 11 - Posted by: WAN2, 1/6/2013 9:32:21 AM     (No. 9101378)

The Welfare State Status Report: The Doted Upon feel entitled to "stuff" too. Lock and load.


Reply 12 - Posted by: texaspast, 1/6/2013 9:41:36 AM     (No. 9101394)

#5, yes they CAN get out of mom´s house and get a job - just not as good a job as they want. So many are waiting for the ´right´ job. I know what I´m talking about on this. One son has a masters degree, he´s a pool cleaner. Did it because that´s what he could get a job doing. He´s now got his own business and doing pretty well. Other son got his marketing bachelors - couldn´t find a job he wanted, but he could get a job as a glorified telemarketer (actually, making cold calls to nurses recruiting them for hospitals and doctors elsewhere). He´s done such a good job of it he´s being moved into management. In other words, he´s getting the job he wanted, but he had to start at the bottom to get there. So the jobs are there, just the kids are not willing to take them. So many feel it is beneath them, or they will damage their prospects for the job they really want if they take any old job now. They are too ´special´ to do that lowly job.


   

 



 
Reply 13 - Posted by: neanderthal, 1/6/2013 9:41:45 AM     (No. 9101397)

They´re going to be just fine. They´ll move out of mom´s basement and onto their very own EBT card and the older taxpayers will keep them fed, bred, and entertained. (see following article).


Reply 14 - Posted by: wilko, 1/6/2013 9:45:42 AM     (No. 9101406)

Give them all diplomas and trophies just for showing up. Life has a way of wiping the smugness off their faces, so they´ll just do more drugs to feel good about themselves while we wipe their bottoms.


Reply 15 - Posted by: trapper, 1/6/2013 9:47:20 AM     (No. 9101408)

Yeah yeah yeah, we know. America is terrible and so are our children. But we can still be thankful that at least we are not British, a fourth rate nation overrun by muslims and burdened by a feudal aristocracy straight out of the middle ages with no future in sight. Pip pip. Cheerio. Bob´s your uncle. Whatever.


Reply 16 - Posted by: jalo1951, 1/6/2013 10:03:57 AM     (No. 9101428)

Self esteem is a pile of steaming pooh. It has screwed up a lot of kids who truly think everyone is suppose to think they are "special". I work in a middle school library and believe me when I tell you kids cannot write a complete sentence or a coherent paragraph without a lot of guidance. Grade inflation has also taken it´s toll. 90% is considered an A. When I was in school an A started at 95% which was an A-.


Reply 17 - Posted by: tnorling, 1/6/2013 10:07:40 AM     (No. 9101435)

No surprise here. Coddling and building self-esteem does not prepare one for Life, especially in the world Obama is trying to build - fewer opportunities to achieve personal success.

I know several depressed college age kids with delusions of grandeur.


   

 

  


 
Reply 18 - Posted by: southernboy, 1/6/2013 10:08:16 AM     (No. 9101439)

Want a breath of the air the young breathe….watch a week or so of the daytime ´Judge´s´ shows. The ignorance and selfishness is overwhelming…not to mention ATTITUDE!!!!


Reply 19 - Posted by: maggie2u, 1/6/2013 10:24:36 AM     (No. 9101463)

Well, it´s a good thing they do, because no one else does.


Reply 20 - Posted by: provide, 1/6/2013 10:54:05 AM     (No. 9101498)

Are they talking about the first string sports teams? Keep that alumni money rolling in.


Reply 21 - Posted by: M2, 1/6/2013 11:20:03 AM     (No. 9101532)

While students are much more likely to call themselves gifted in writing abilities, objective test scores actually show that their writing abilities are far less than those of their 1960s counterparts.

#2 is right -- this attitude has been bred into these little twerps from the time they step foot into their parents´ lives and the schools´ world. Little Johnny can do no wrong and isn´t expected to perform. Hence, the Facebook generation -- everything they do is supposed to be of interest to everyone else.

I was watching one of those brand new cooking-contest TV shows yesterday and one of the young contestants volunteered that he is "a gifted chef". He had no problem at all saying that to a national audience. If we had a cultured culture, he´d leave that for someone else to say about him.

I´d bet he´d be shocked to learn that "gifted" takes actual work and time, not simply grandiose ideas and an inflated sense of self.

I´m disgusted with the lack of humility exhibited by (especially) young people. We have lost at least one generation, probably two.


Reply 22 - Posted by: IdahoSky, 1/6/2013 11:32:35 AM     (No. 9101552)

Old people have been commenting on the deplorable state of youth since time began.


   

 



 
Reply 23 - Posted by: fayebeck, 1/6/2013 11:33:47 AM     (No. 9101554)

It´s the parents fault.


Reply 24 - Posted by: Muncssister, 1/6/2013 11:44:26 AM     (No. 9101576)

Very true #22. However, I´m in my mid to late twenties and I pretty much agree with all of the above posters. For the most part, my generation and certainly those in the one below me, are self-absorbed babies. But then again, being raised in daycare, "educated" in public schools and shuffled off to after-school care will screw a kid up... I am so grateful muncsmom is a stay at home mom and wife and fostered that value in her daughters.

Posted from my iPhone, please pardon any typos!


Reply 25 - Posted by: voxlapidis, 1/6/2013 11:55:05 AM     (No. 9101596)

I can still remember back in the 1950´s the good Sisters telling us that we were NOT "special characters" and were to live up to expectations.


Reply 26 - Posted by: Teleologicus, 1/6/2013 12:00:35 PM     (No. 9101603)

The social and political implications of these findings are ominous. We are already starting to feel their effects, which are like the steadily building winds of a vast storm at sea that is just beginning to come ashore.

The mentality described is a natural fit for socialism and even serfdom. I believe it is akin to what Joseph Schumpeter was talking about when he asked "Can Capitalism Survive?" and concluded, more or less that it could not. One reason is the very superabundance of superfluous but highly self-satisfied people the system itself creates. These people, some of whom will be educated, will be resentful, envious, and malicious towards those who are better off. They will demand that more power be ceded to the state in the name of fairness, equality, and of course security. They will relish all rationalizations for depriving others of their power, wealth and influence, because it will be an offense to them that someone has something that they themselves lack.

The self-esteem movement was a manifestation of cultural decadence that has produced more than the usual quota of self-righteous, undisciplined sissies - welfare kings and queens in spirit when not in fact. These people are going to exact their revenge - not for having been misled, for they do not realize they have been misled, but for having to live in a society that is not the way they think it should be.


Reply 27 - Posted by: cheeflo, 1/6/2013 12:18:32 PM     (No. 9101627)

The self-esteem movement discarded that which actually builds self-esteem and replaced it with undeserved praise and pandering to childish impulses. Real accomplishment leads to a sense of pride and competence, an understanding of the value of effort and perseverance, wisdom, maturity, and intelligence -- in other words, self-esteem.

I wonder how many of these "special" students actually know what a fraud they are. Might explain their hollow pursuits.


Reply 28 - Posted by: lakerman1, 1/6/2013 12:30:14 PM     (No. 9101647)

The most damaging part of the self esteem movement is the myth, perpetuated by teachers and politicians, that any given child can achieve anything he wants to achieve in America. That is an absolute delusional statement.
I have an interdisciplinary doctorate. There is no way in the world that I could have earned a doctorate in math or physics. Fortunately, I am old enough to have missed the self esteem movement of the 1980s and 1990s. I had to do a realistic self assessment. And I wasn´t special.


Reply 29 - Posted by: Spidey, 1/6/2013 1:02:06 PM     (No. 9101684)

I live in a college town and the girls at least call themselves "young professionals".

My daughter is about as far from a liberal as you can get but she called me a couple years ago crying when they started taking her student loan out of her check. She´s still in a state of shock from it. One of the reasons is she used to work in the admissions office and saw all the affirmative action breaks other people got.

I think today´s students see these loans as validating them as worthwhile people who should be worshiped. They´re really in for a shock when they start working and see this money deducted.They all think they´re going to get loan pardons from Obama,that´s why they voted for him.


Reply 30 - Posted by: M-79, 1/6/2013 1:39:56 PM     (No. 9101736)

Vladimir Lenin: "Give me your children for eight years, and I will make them Bolsheviks for life."


Reply 31 - Posted by: Ida Lou Pino, 1/6/2013 1:59:55 PM     (No. 9101768)

Reagan, Gramm, Gingrich and Armey wanted to completely shut down the Education Department - - but Pubbies nowadays only want to feed it more and more of our hard-earned money - - in order to fund more communist indoctrination of our young ´uns.

Ahhh - - the good old days!


Reply 32 - Posted by: Penney, 1/6/2013 2:12:40 PM     (No. 9101781)

The lefty/lib/statist pols, hollyweird &, ´educators,´ have worked diligently at turning America´s principled priorities upside-down throughout the past 40 years. As a result, is it any wonder our Ship of state is veering off-course?


Reply 33 - Posted by: redwhite&blue2, 1/6/2013 2:14:30 PM     (No. 9101784)

I-phone....I-pad....I-car....I-games...I-food....it´s always about I.....me, me, me!

It used to be "we"....thats most of us.

Thanx to the lazy lefty "chairwarmers" in education, these new larvae are being coddled, lied to, and indoctrinated with commie kool-aid and they are too stoopid to even know it. Thats how the foreign exchange student punk got re-elected, thanks to academia, the media, and the losers nationwide. A college degree is now so over-rated, and dont get me started on "affirmative action"...have you watched a college football game lately? 15% white kids and 75% Africans? When did THAT happen?


Reply 34 - Posted by: roger h. cook,MD, 1/6/2013 2:18:38 PM     (No. 9101787)

Yes they think that because they have been given what everything the want all their lives, even those on a free ride. It trickels down from the White house.


Reply 35 - Posted by: bob913, 1/6/2013 2:43:29 PM     (No. 9101810)

Growing up my mother was a liberal and thought gov´t should pay for everything. My dad was co-owner of a business his dad started and was conservative (as I am) and knew the costs of gov´t and union interference.

My mother got her first job outside the home in her early forties and was shocked at how some people skated by and did less work then her while getting paid the same or more then her....

Later my parents started 3 business´s. By the time my mother had gone thru the obstacles that the gov´t thru up to stop them from creating a business she was a conservative!

Welcome to reality.


Reply 36 - Posted by: TXknitter, 1/6/2013 3:14:20 PM     (No. 9101843)

Bravo #12. The parents who are housing, feeding their single college-educated darlings are doing them NO favors. Our friends (both physicians) gave their daughters a 60 day deadline. They could see the girls simply wanted to STAY in Dad´s big house until the "right" jobs came along. Next week time is up and they are being kicked out. They find the money for nails and clothes - It´s hard and their daughters are irritated to say the least. They want to stay right there in Highland Park.


Reply 37 - Posted by: thewarden, 1/6/2013 5:19:44 PM     (No. 9101994)

My son is in his freshman college year and he can read and write better than most adults I know (mix of public grade school, homeschooling for middle school and Catholic high). His Friends are equally smart, normal and very patriotic and conservative. Spoiled, sure, but he is truly a nice young man. He insisted on handwritten thank you notes for his Christmas gifts... I am proud.


Reply 38 - Posted by: Boneshaker, 1/6/2013 6:36:47 PM     (No. 9102061)

The rise of the "False Self Esteem Generation".

Think of them as "The Grate-est Generation".
.


Reply 39 - Posted by: gillyo, 1/6/2013 7:50:51 PM     (No. 9102158)

I caused a bit of a ruckus at my son´s middle school when I made an appointment with his counselor to complain about an A he received on an assignment. I told her that his work was crap and if I´d turned in an assignment like that at his age I would have been lucky to get a C. I also told her that the school´s low standards weren´t helping anyone. Smart kids were getting lazy and lazy kids thought they were smarter than they were, which was just setting them up for a major crash and burn.

My husband was a soccer coach for years and never allowed the kids to receive a trophy for participation. No trophies unless they were earned. You wouldn´t believe the parents who thought that was unfair! They´re the same parents who think that if little Johnny did it then it has to be A work.


Reply 40 - Posted by: NRAisFreedom, 1/6/2013 8:18:24 PM     (No. 9102186)

And we wonder how on earth this guy was elected again?!?!? Our so-called higher institutions of learning have failed miserably over the last couple of decades with their social engineering agenda. This article is no surprise to me. Have seen this all over.


Reply 41 - Posted by: ColonialAmerican1623, 1/7/2013 2:19:49 AM     (No. 9102481)

It starts before college. They are precocious at best. You could not pay me enough to work in retail today.

Parents: You didn´t do your children any favors by spoiling them.



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