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Boehner, American Hero
New York Times, by ROSS DOUTHAT

Original Article

Posted By:Oblio, 1/6/2013 7:58:25 AM

Here are a few things that happened to John Boehner, ostensibly one of the most powerful men in Washington, during the past two weeks. First his own backbenchers blew up his attempt at a fiscal cliff negotiating maneuver. Then he had to step back and let Joe Biden and Mitch McConnell hammer out the details of the fiscal cliff deal, which he then had to shepherd through his own legislative body with more Democratic than Republican votes.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: StormCnter, 1/6/2013 8:04:20 AM     (No. 9101228)

I´m glad this was posted. Occasionally, Ross Douthat remembers his right wing.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: nonsense, 1/6/2013 8:10:18 AM     (No. 9101233)

Hey Ross, my advice is for you to get out of New York City and find out that the rest of the nation is in "outright crisis".

You sound just like those Beltway Bubblehead politicians who think this is just "politics as usual" rather than the survival of our Republic.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: ruready?, 1/6/2013 8:30:56 AM     (No. 9101258)

I want to be open minded on this subject, but there is just no way I would grant Boehner hero status.

How much gray matter does it take to know that you do not negotiate with Obama? How much gray matter does it take to never say that you will not negotiate with Obama? How much gray matter does it take to hammer Obama on Benghazi? How much gray matter does it take to suggest impeachment is right around the corner?

Not a hero by any means.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: Judith, 1/6/2013 8:32:22 AM     (No. 9101260)

The republicans did re-package their brand. They have run two potus candidates that have a history of playing well with the dems (playing well means thinking and acting like a dem). After this last debacle....excuse me, election...the republicans quickly came out and said their plan was to be MORE like the dems. They are now saying that higher taxes, larger government, immigration amnesty and gun control....they are all on board with that. Face it, the republicans have shot themselves in the foot and their brand is not selling. Why would dems leave that nut house for the shambles of the republican party? And why would conservatives, both fiscal and social (they really do go together)remain in the republican party?

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Cleanhousein2012, 1/6/2013 8:35:44 AM     (No. 9101268)

I don´t think Boehner has to worry about being Speaker again in 2014. I think Dem-lite (or as referred to in this article, ´disaster control´) actions of Boehner and his band of fellow travlers will have so effectively angered their base that it is unlikely they will hold the House in 2014. I know I won´t vote for my RINO again. I just hope we can find someone to beat him in the primary.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Sanspeur, 1/6/2013 8:37:43 AM     (No. 9101273)

To crib from the article posted below, " their actions are not worthy of a democratic country" .

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Reply 7 - Posted by: planetgeo, 1/6/2013 8:38:39 AM     (No. 9101276)

Looks like I´ve got to be the one to start the shouting. Here´s a clue...the "brand" of freedom doesn´t "sell" to those who are determined to take it away from you. And if you don´t resist their brazen attempts and fight back (including against those "reasonable" people on your side who compromise your freedoms away), you will lose those freedoms, your country, and eventually, your lives.

Signed,
An immigrant from a country taken over by communists, who now finds himself in a country that is politely surrendering to communists. Understand this when you consider the lengths to which you will "compromise ".

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Dodge Boy, 1/6/2013 8:42:06 AM     (No. 9101285)

"It’s increasingly taken for granted that he’s an ineffective speaker who holds his position mostly because nobody else wants the job".

I dare anybody else to navigate through Obie´s and the pubs political garbage better than Boehner.

Grteat..it´s always easy to get on the msm bandwagon and bash Boehner. While he has his limitations, so do the self-serving individuals in Washington especially in the WH. We right-minded folks had woken up long ago to what is going on, but, until we get ourselves on the same political page when elections are held, we can expect liberalism to continue spreading until it is too late to reverse it.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: eoddad, 1/6/2013 8:51:51 AM     (No. 9101300)

"The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of his country; but he that stands it NOW deserves the love and thanks of man and woman."

I wish some people would get as mad at the Socialist Democrats, the MSM and the voters who elected an additional two democrats to the senate as go after our side. When our side was given a corrupt media spin throughout. I´m not sure about what to do in the current situation, but cutting and running has never worked.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: eoddad, 1/6/2013 8:55:29 AM     (No. 9101307)

Above quote -Thomas Paine, American Revolution

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Reply 11 - Posted by: Grambo, 1/6/2013 8:58:27 AM     (No. 9101313)

I have to join #8. How do you negotiate with a man from nowhere who steps into your country and demands you give him your guns, your money and your freedom? Do you give them up? Do you give up just some of each? Or do you say, “Hell no! Go back to where you came from, and take the Mooch with you!”?

Excuse me for shouting the latter.


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Reply 12 - Posted by: Redbone, 1/6/2013 9:02:36 AM     (No. 9101319)

Boehner is a disaster. With the loss in Novemeber there were only two clear choices: 1) abdicate to the Dems and let them raise and own taxes or 2) Fight the tax increases and lose the House in the next election.

The inbetween compromising exhibited by Boehner, especially the flip-flopping on Sandy aid, just lets the liberal media tear Republicans to pieces. Sometimes you have to give your opponent more rope.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: M2, 1/6/2013 9:02:38 AM     (No. 9101320)

But the nation’s polarization and his party’s dysfunction are beyond a speaker’s ability to undo.... the House is a poor base from which to rebuild a national party.

It´s the polarization more than our "party´s dysfunction" that is the problem. We can no longer function properly with the imbalances we´ve got and certainly not with the leftist strength coming from this Administration AND the media.

We need a divorce, we conservatives and the liberals. This marriage no longer works by the same rules that used to be successful. Limbaugh is right when he says there is no longer any common ground on which to negotiate or compromise. When marriages lose all traces of common ground, divorces happen. The good old days of amicable differences have passed into history.

I can see only bad times ahead because of this polarization. One side MUST win decisively over the other side, since compromise always favors Democrats, due to the GOP´s willingness to let it be so. That must stop.

Boehner has no control over the Tea Party Republicans. I believe it is they, not establishment Republicans, who should control policy. So I suggest that Boehner begin taking the Tea Party seriously because they take their jobs seriously. Career pols don´t; they´re too jaded.

Second, invigorate the Secession movement. Drastic as it is, when you cannot get along with someone, you leave them.

The polarization we´ve got in Amnerica is not simply an ideological difference that can be patched here and there. Not any more. Ultimately, the fabric rips and I believe we´re at that point right now.

I never would have thought I´d be talking about secession but Obama´s reign of terror has all but destroyed what used to be America, aided and abetted by the educational system and the old media.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: chiller, 1/6/2013 9:04:34 AM     (No. 9101325)

Post election, Boehner is our defacto leader. As such, he must pull a Bill Buckley and stand athwart liberals and yell STOP ! Demand STOP !

If he has to shut down the funds and the govt. to get attention, so be it. He means well, but needs some brass to get that attention.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: King of all trolls, 1/6/2013 9:10:54 AM     (No. 9101338)

It is refreshing to read a columnist who can think outside the proverbial box. Douthat does fail to grasp one thing, however -- the blessing of a divided Wasington is that nothing gets done and therefore there is greater liberty for every American and big spending programs don´t happen. When the GOP had absolute control we got two decade-long wars we could not afford and Medicare Part D. When the Donks had the reigns we had Obamacare and the stimulus polka. Boehner deserves credit for standing up to the Dems when productive, but also knowing when to fold ´em to fight another day.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: Coy860, 1/6/2013 9:12:23 AM     (No. 9101344)

I would rather have seen Michele Bachmann as speaker. I feel confident she would have done a better job at identifying the target and shooting straight.
She clanks when she walks, and that is what we need now.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: 49 Ford, 1/6/2013 9:32:52 AM     (No. 9101380)

The problem with that, #12, is that B. Obama is the President of the U.S., has strong support among an electorate of dummies, self-seekers and parasites and has no intention of going back to where he came from.

This is a good article based on grim and sticky realities. Boehner has done as well as could be expected. Who else has volunteered to stand in his shoes? (Sound of crickets chirping...)


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Reply 18 - Posted by: noproblems, 1/6/2013 9:36:14 AM     (No. 9101381)

curious (not really) to see what the NYTs says about Boenher when the debt ceiling negotiations begin

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Reply 19 - Posted by: Bad Dog, 1/6/2013 9:36:44 AM     (No. 9101382)

I have to go with #8, and #14´s excellent follow-up. The Republicans - most of them - are no longer worthy of the name. Maybe there is a rope-a-dope strategery at work that I´m just missing, If so, I´ll back off. But until I see it, and see results of it going in the right direction, Boehner and the Republican Party is a total write-off for me.

It shouldn´t take someone who has lived through this nightmare once in his/her country of origin to point out to us what is happening and what the effects will be. We should be alert and smart enough to see it for ourselves.

We are Americans.

Aren´t we?

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Reply 20 - Posted by: Jethro bo, 1/6/2013 9:37:04 AM     (No. 9101383)

Instead of propping up our dysfunctional goobernment, maybe he should let it implode.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: Janjan, 1/6/2013 9:39:44 AM     (No. 9101390)

Boehner negotiated in secret with Obama and got stabbed in the back. Twice. Who did Boehner then stab in return? The House Democrats? Surely not. He stabbed the Republicans who thought they were to represent their districts, not Boehner. They were wrong.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: WAN2, 1/6/2013 9:44:03 AM     (No. 9101401)

Politicians will become socialists if it means winning elections. We have met the enemy...and it is us.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: Stopstoreload, 1/6/2013 10:03:42 AM     (No. 9101427)

We have a two party system. When the shouting is all done, you vote either for a Republican or a Democrat. If you vote for neither or for some dissident candidate, you are worse than ineffective- you are a disaster.

Forget about the RINO name calling and the chest beating. And forget about criticizing Speaker Boehner. He is it. He is ours, He knows what he is doing.

I don´t know if I can stand four years of this idiocy.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: Foggybottom, 1/6/2013 10:14:46 AM     (No. 9101451)

I am with #5´s cogent assessment of the current situation with the Republican party. Further, the message they send is that regardless of our actions and regardless of our beliefs, we must follow them blindly. I can´t accept that position myself. Therefore I no longer consider myself to be a Republican.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: Davids918, 1/6/2013 10:44:30 AM     (No. 9101488)

Fiscal responsibility, and mean it.

Don´t let Democrats get away with their spending binge, or the supposed one-time stimulus spending of Obama, which is now the new baseline creating TRILLION dollar deficits each year.

Propose 3% increase in programs, period.

let the dems explain they can´t figure how to be more efficient in spending and need 8%.

state how Obama´s new $$ from the rich won´t even pay for his spending for 8 days, or cover the new spending Obama wants.



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Reply 26 - Posted by: suncitypro, 1/6/2013 10:48:39 AM     (No. 9101494)

When Boehner and the pubbies first took the House, I felt inspired. In the interim I have felt like a tax payer with no representation. Boehner has no idea what ´NO´ means. And until he learns the meaning of that word, I will continue to feel like a tax payer with no representation. May God Bless the USA.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: peterfleming, 1/6/2013 11:03:22 AM     (No. 9101511)

Is RINO Boehner a traitor?
He´s definitely a traitor to the truth.
Boehner´s had more air time than any other RINO, and he says nothing with all that air space he is given. He´s rotten to the core.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: wherewithal, 1/6/2013 11:03:56 AM     (No. 9101513)

Boehner, hero of the Socialists. He and all of the other politicians need to read the Constitution and abide by its terms.

Like the rest, more traitor than hero.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: steveracer, 1/6/2013 11:19:32 AM     (No. 9101530)

Excellent comments everyone above. I feel like shouting too, so I´ll just keep quiet. But being quiet is the problem, isn´t it? Being quiet while the power hungry in DC rob us of our freedom and property.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: brianod1, 1/6/2013 11:21:01 AM     (No. 9101535)

One glaring error the columnist makes is that he states that we are not at war! We still fight in Afghanistan, and in smaller skirmishes throughout that region.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: 49 Ford, 1/6/2013 11:26:49 AM     (No. 9101541)

Boehner may not be a hero, but he is a good man burdened with a task none of us would ever take on. And to call him a "traitor" - well, where does cowardice end and stupidity begin?


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Reply 32 - Posted by: nevernaught, 1/6/2013 11:37:11 AM     (No. 9101565)

´a sequence of bomb-defusal operations that have prevented our dysfunctional government from tipping into outright crisis.´

Er... this government is already in an outright crisis. We have a Marxist President who thinks he is a Dictator, a Senate run by left wing incompetents and it seems that now applies to the House as well. Since there doesn´t seem to be a White Knight (historic)riding to the rescue, how many of you would bet your hard earned, now more taxable dollars, that Times hero Boehner won´t negotiate your 2nd amendment rights completely away in the next legislative farce. That is in between giving every law breaking illegal alien more rights than you have.

The country is going broke and Congress is still packing every bill with waste and favors. Meanwhile our glorious Marxist leader vacations at his Dascha by the sea.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: Cleanhousein2012, 1/6/2013 11:38:14 AM     (No. 9101568)

32 -I would happily take on the task of saying no to the damage and destruction our government is causing, and doing what Boehner has been unable or unwilling to do. He may or may not be a good man, but he´s a lousy Speaker of the House.

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Reply 34 - Posted by: LC Chihuahua, 1/6/2013 11:38:57 AM     (No. 9101569)

Boehner is just a symptom of a bigger problem for the Republicans.

In an election during a weak economy, the Republicans, who are out of power, lost a senate seat, fourteen congressional seats, and failed to win the presidency.

Why is this?

Voter fraud has been mentioned frequently, but there were other things that cost the Republicans far more votes.

Moderate and Conservative Republicans are not on the same page. The Tea Party and NRC sent me multiple mailings for donations. The NRSC mysteriously went missing in the last month prior to the election and sent three eMails the day before the election asking for a donation. The NRSC did not get any donations. The Tea Party and NRC received extra donations. I question whether some Republicans in position of leadership would rather have a liberal Democrat rather than a conservative Republican. The Republican party will continue to lose until this is fixed. Work together, people!!! I don´t care about your problems. If you cannot work out your problems, I see no point in sending further donations. It is wasted money.

The other problem is the liberal media. I saw Romney get ambushed and double-teamed during a debate by Obama and Crowley. How many times have Republicans been triple teamed and worse during discussions. I have seen liberals slant and lie about what Republicans say to the point they will edit footage. How do Republicans get their message out? Perhaps Republicans should approach any discussion that there is no such thing as bad publicity. The other thing is Republican speakers need to be better speakers, talk intelligently, and handle multiple critics at once.

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Reply 35 - Posted by: belwhatter, 1/6/2013 11:45:57 AM     (No. 9101579)

I´m thinking it will be a good thing to shut down government - let it implode;
it, and we, cannot go on like this. The republicans signed their own death warrant years ago and despite ample time to change and despite a wonderful infusion of new energy in 2010 they still skate dizzily downhill to defeat.

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Reply 36 - Posted by: RancherJack, 1/6/2013 11:51:55 AM     (No. 9101590)

#8 for the win. Squared.

You, sir, whoever you are, are welcome at my table anytime.

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Reply 37 - Posted by: tomishere, 1/6/2013 12:09:21 PM     (No. 9101610)

#34 I look forward to the announcement of your campaign. I think a lot of posters are just venting their frustration. Most on this tread must know that Boehner has very limited options at this point, elections have consequences. Again thank you conservatives and evangelicals that stayed home.
The notion we should shut down the government is the stupidest idea I ever heard. The republicans would be blamed for raising taxes on everybody, and Obama and the dems would be cast as tax cutters. Conservatives would be ruined for a generation.

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Reply 38 - Posted by: 49 Ford, 1/6/2013 12:14:43 PM     (No. 9101619)

Thank you, #38.


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Reply 39 - Posted by: MataHarley, 1/6/2013 12:20:24 PM     (No. 9101633)

FTA

The fact that all these crises have been resolved at the 11th hour, amid persistent brinkmanship and repeated near-death moments for his speakership, isn’t a sign that he’s a failure. Instead, given the correlation of forces he’s dealing with, this is what success looks like. (For a glimpse of the alternative, just imagine rerunning the last two years with Newt Gingrich in the speaker’s chair.)


Douthat has a strange way of defining success. The 1995 Congress held the House with smaller majority than today, and the Senate GOP only had 52 majority. Yet that Congress shut down gov´t twice, and fulled their Contract with American in the first 100 days.

Perhaps Douthat´s view is skewed via revisonist history since he was only 16 at the time.

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Reply 40 - Posted by: capt scurvey, 1/6/2013 12:45:54 PM     (No. 9101666)

I find it troubling that all our armchair quarterbacks airily dismiss the difficulties inherent to opposing the US Federal Government, their propaganda corps and an ignorant, indifferent and selfish general public...

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Reply 41 - Posted by: lencu255, 1/6/2013 12:50:23 PM     (No. 9101671)

My cent #1 - who really knows how repubics have lost the elections? Can you, please, count the causes? I don´t buy those cheap shots at the people who stayed at home.
Cent #2 - whatever is happening in this country (and other totalitarian countries, for that matter) is the result of absence of freedom of speech (press, ideas....).
Of course, 99% of the population is stupid sheeple and they gobble everything they get from the mainstream media. They don´t have enough brains and energy to look for the info, when there is propaganda available in buckets!

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Reply 42 - Posted by: JustCause, 1/6/2013 1:11:26 PM     (No. 9101701)

It´s the NEW YORK TIMES.

Since when do we believe anything they (douthat included) say? There is no reason to respond to this article - it´s only purpose is to irritate Conservatives.

Not worth reading.

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Reply 43 - Posted by: rplat, 1/6/2013 1:15:45 PM     (No. 9101709)

I listen to all the naysayers and complainers but I´ve yet to hear a single viable solution that will reverse or stop the current socialist trend. If anyone can present one that doesn´t destroy the Republic, I´ll give it my full support.

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Reply 44 - Posted by: GreatPlains, 1/6/2013 1:36:08 PM     (No. 9101730)

Douhat makes the point that the base is constantly spoiling for a fight that can´t be won.
There is no way that Boehener can bend Obama
and the Democrats in the Senate ( with their 10 seat advantage )
to see the purity , conservative viewpoint.
The best he can do is " a kind of disaster management — a sequence of bomb-defusal operations ".
The tantrum by the Ron Paul caucus- led by 32 yr old Rep Amash of Michigan against Boehener
accomplished nothing positive.
Zip. Zero. Nada.
The weeklong hyperventilating from Huelskamp and Amash about purges and grand conspiracies was juvenile and unmanly and definitely unstatesmanlike.
Running to Hannity and Levin crying that " Mommy, John Boehner is being mean to me "
was jaw dropping and childish .
Their egos are so large that only " they " can have a place on a committee.
All their publicity stunt did was to take the air out of the increasing publicity on Benghazi and undercut any small leverage Boehner had in negotiating .
The same for their pathetic coup attempt
against Boehner.
Boehener , with his shrunken Republican majority ,
has to deal with not just Obama and Reid but, the unrealistic Ron Paul Tea Party faction in the House and the
Limbaugh, Levin brigade who rant and rave
and apparently don´t understand how laws get passed .
Elections have consequences .
The far right and Ron Paul / Tea Party wing undercut Boehner every chance they get .
Too bad they couldn´t put that energy into actually winning elections.


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Reply 45 - Posted by: mulhaven, 1/6/2013 1:40:33 PM     (No. 9101739)


This article is just another Washington-centric piece. This from the article: "here was no government shutdown in the spring of 2011, no debt default that summer, and the fiscal cliff was averted (at least temporarily) last week".

The shutdown would have meant that non-essential services would be withheld. So what is wrong with shutting down non-essential services? What other services than "essential" should a government be exercising?

The debt default could have been resolved by cancelling outrageous over-spending on self-serving corrupt programs and by pursuing legitimate funding. That is, pay the creditors. But there is no fun and no political profit from that is there?

The "fiscal cliff" was a buzz expression intended to terrify the public. It worked because the useless Boehner never even attempted to expose the real Washington issues. First and foremost is the outrageous and unconscionable over-spending to buy votes and to undermine the economy. Why did Boehner not stand up and declare a war against profligate and corrupt politicians who were destroying American lives and their economy with socialist moronisms? Second is the fact that those paying income taxes are over-taxed, while vast numbers of American pay no income taxes and Wall Street, Hollywood and the likes of Buffett are protected by the political class. Why hasn´t Boehner defended those who pay the bulk of the income tax? Third, and the most insidious of all, is the devastating corruption of the regulatory agencies of the Federal government who unconstitutionally target industries. Why hasn´t Boehner spoken up about this most egregious and devastating activity? Can you say "Rino"? The speaker should be a great hero for the socialists who have continuously controlled his words and actions. Is he a puppet because of abject fear of the DNC media, or is he a dumbed-down follower??


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Reply 46 - Posted by: lana720, 1/6/2013 1:40:54 PM     (No. 9101740)

Except for a few like-minded, conservative posters, most of those who vote are stupid.

Ergo, stupid people think other stupid people are smart so when the latter stupids run for office, they get the former stupids´ votes.

And, that is exactly why we are in the situation we are. Stupidity reeks havoc, greed, blindness to the truth and socialism.

Tell me I´m wrong. God help us!

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Reply 47 - Posted by: judy, 1/6/2013 1:46:14 PM     (No. 9101746)

The NY Times called him a hero because he bowed to the won...imagine what they would have called Boehner if he would have done the right thing & stopped the fiscal mess. Boehner hates conservatives. By far the worse leader in history ...call him Pelosi Jr. He makes me ill to look at him.

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Reply 48 - Posted by: judy, 1/6/2013 1:53:08 PM     (No. 9101760)

I can´t believe people think Boehner´s hands were tied & he had no solutions. What´s the point of going to the polls if repubs just bow to the dems. The dems love to scare. I say allow the gov to shut down & see who missed their services. The military & other agencies are exempt from shut downs. Middle of the road repubs like Boehner never win. Time for a third party big time.

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Reply 49 - Posted by: Sunhan65, 1/6/2013 2:01:05 PM     (No. 9101769)

#38, we sometimes disagree on these boards, so I hope this won´t be perceived as disagreeable, but I haven´t been able to substantiate your comment about evangelicals staying home. PEW´s numbers say this: "Romney received as much support from evangelical voters as George W. Bush did in 2004 (79%) and more support from evangelicals than McCain did in 2008 (73%)." Romney lost ground with only two religious groups: Hispanic Catholics and Mormons, presumably for non-religious reasons. Of course, PEW could be wrong. Any corrective to the above information would be welcome.

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Reply 50 - Posted by: redwhite&blue2, 1/6/2013 2:06:39 PM     (No. 9101776)

I will never surrender to Communists, #8. We are the 49% to their 51%...thats good odds for this old veteran with a marksman sharpshooter award. Bring it on! If they want a real fight, we´ll TOAST them! Our so-called "leaders" need to get this message, put up a fight or step aside and let someone new fight with those repulsive commie lefties and their foreign exchange student leader. America will always be traditional and conservative and we have to fight every day to keep it that way. Capice?

Semper Paratus

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Reply 51 - Posted by: Theeo, 1/6/2013 2:19:40 PM     (No. 9101789)

Heroic Congressman is oxymoronic. Everyone of them is your typical politician, a self aggrandizing, self serving, liar cheat and thief with no love for America except what he and she can steal from US.

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Reply 52 - Posted by: johngalt1, 1/6/2013 2:25:55 PM     (No. 9101794)

Given the circumstances, Boehner is doing a decent job of herding cats in the House and skillfully playing the cards he is dealt by Harry Reid and Obama.

Today’s GOP is a highly Balkanized, loosely knit coalition composed largely of religious evangelicals, fiscal tea party conservatives, Constitutionalists, and libertarians who are using the Republican Party to promote their ideas to a broader audience.

Boehner is opposed by a largely unified coalition of young women, blacks, Latinos, public employee unions, debt-burdened college students with unmarketable degrees, the gay/lesbian/bisexual community, and people who benefit from or are largely dependent on government support.

Boehner has mere platoons of support funded by volunteer donations. Unions provide Democrats with an army of foot soldiers and huge, coerced dues-funded donations that are combined with Hollywood celebrity propaganda, liberal media story coverage screening, and crony contributions from industries that benefit from Democrat-directed subsidies and agency regulations.

Boehner is not the problem. GOP single-issue “tribal” factions and inept communication strategies are.


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Reply 53 - Posted by: bob913, 1/6/2013 2:26:18 PM     (No. 9101796)

You do not play the democrats game. YOU lead and state why there is a problem and here are the solutions. Boehner and McConnell both offered obama huge tax increases upfront and zero spending cuts. They also removed conservatives from key committees.

Boehner and McConnell are back stabbers to conservative people.

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Reply 54 - Posted by: pianogirl88, 1/6/2013 3:10:01 PM     (No. 9101839)

Please correct me if I´m wrong, but I do believe there was a second person whose name was nominated for Speaker of the House. Had the republicans in the House not stood behind John Boehner and voted for him, we´d be saying ´´Madame Speaker´´ to Nancy Pelosi again.

As long as we have a corrupt media that will not report honest facts and let us decide the issues based on truth, there is no hope for things to get better.

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Reply 55 - Posted by: OhMy, 1/6/2013 3:29:06 PM     (No. 9101856)

Boehner is no hero to me. This article was written to encourage him to do more of the same - cave to Obama and keep things peaceful on the surface. After loosing the last round 47 ( new taxes ) to 1 ( spending cut ) he opens the bidding this time asking for 1 to 1. That will be the most he will ever get and it will probably be much worse. We need at very least to get 47 to one the other way just to stay even in slowing down the Obama spendathon. I don´t feel sorry for Boehner, He wanted to be leader so He should lead.

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Reply 56 - Posted by: Lalo, 1/6/2013 3:36:29 PM     (No. 9101864)

#41 said it for me.. ´I find it troubling that all our armchair quarterbacks airily dismiss the difficulties inherent in opposing the US Federal Government, their propaganda corps and an ignorant, indifferent and selfish general public...´

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Reply 57 - Posted by: Pluperfect, 1/6/2013 4:06:39 PM     (No. 9101912)

The only people "airily dismiss"ing anything are those who won´t face the difficulty of, in these circumstances, taking a belligerent stand and thereby accomplishing anything. I know many of us love the big, loud talk, but talk is easy. McConnell and Boehner got a better deal than any realist would have expected. Yes, a long way from what we desired, but it´s a step. Now, Obama has to figure a way to get out of the promised spending cuts. I believe a preemptive Republican action of raising the debt ceiling, for six months only, puts the pressure on him, and removes the "obstruction" cudgel the press loves to hit us with. Then Obama doesn´t have the pressure of the debt ceiling deadline to play chicken with. It´s fun to lie around and whine about 3rd parties and refusing financial donations to the party machinery, but whining is cheap, and no one is rushing to lead the unhappy 3rd partiers. I repeat, no one. The one you are wishing for is simply not interested unless it involves a hefty paycheck and no heavy lifting.

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Reply 58 - Posted by: miceal, 1/6/2013 5:38:22 PM     (No. 9102005)

He stabbed us in the back. He and the US House hold the purse strings but I do believe "they" collectively have forgotten this small fact. Not ONE agency or program defunded. The largest tax increase in the history of our Country in the form of "obamacare" and what has he done as Speaker? Hero? You´ve got to be kidding me..horror is more like it. A pox on the House Republicans and any who defend their indefensible actions of late....

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Reply 59 - Posted by: Starlady, 1/6/2013 5:58:08 PM     (No. 9102015)

John Boehner is no hero. He would have sold us down the river if Obama had let him in a reasonable manner. I guess we need to be thankful Obama changes his demands so even the uninformed get it.
I have not seen any exceptional gifts or talent that Boehner has exhibited in the past two years that would give anyone confidence in his leadership.
This author sounded like a leftist faking admiration and giving the unremarkable Boehner encouragement because he knows he is a pushover for all the crises we face in the nearterm.
If there are any one issue partisans, AKA Tea Party participants, the issue is balance our budget,cut spending to reduce our deficit. I see nothing wrong with focusing on that like a laser, do you?

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Reply 60 - Posted by: Boneshaker, 1/6/2013 6:40:23 PM     (No. 9102066)

Boner´s Bio:

"Trail Of Tears"
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Reply 61 - Posted by: Dodge Boy, 1/6/2013 7:03:33 PM     (No. 9102094)

All of these were thoughtful passionate posts. Good ones, all.

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Reply 62 - Posted by: M Stuart, 1/6/2013 7:14:16 PM     (No. 9102102)

In a time when cool, hip, and youthful are highly prized, our leadership is Boehner and McConnell. They need to be confident enough to let some of the photogenic younger people represent the republicans against 0bama, Piglosi, and Reid.

We do not have a communicator, and it is a fatal flaw.


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Reply 63 - Posted by: 3rdjerseyman, 1/6/2013 7:17:51 PM     (No. 9102105)

A huge percentage of the posters here demonstrate the old adage: "I´d rather be right than president." They are making republicanism irrelevant and surrendering the field without a fight.

Newflash: you can´t do anything if you don´t get elected. If you´re too good for politics then just shut up. By the way, politics is compromise.

Enjoy Obama, your failure to get behind Romney gave him his 2nd term. Boehner is acting like an adult. He has taken the responsibility your ideological purity causes you to avoid.

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Reply 64 - Posted by: knowThem, 1/6/2013 8:43:37 PM     (No. 9102216)

#8 I am w/ you, grew up in a Communist country, always looking up to America as the beacon of freedom, never dreaming that I will be one day an American. My first election was 2004 and GWB won how sweet it was. Next one big surprise but thanks to Lucianne and all of the nice people here I survived. However this one is different, now it´s obvious to me that people who grew up here do not realize how serious it is. The communist are not taking away the country they have succeed. The question is how to take it back #14 I have always enjoyed your posts and found many times that I agree w/you. There is no more 2 party system, it´s broken beyond repair. People are fed up and an economy will get worse. Wait when there are lines to get bread ( I do remember those myself) Americans are soft, they will be riots what´s next? How military will act if they ask them to shoot us? What will you do? Do you have what it takes?

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Reply 65 - Posted by: pineledger, 1/6/2013 9:41:10 PM     (No. 9102262)

I am 100% with 64´s 3rd paragraph.

It angers me to see the media and The Won manipulate the perception of Boehner. Think for yourselves, people.

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Reply 66 - Posted by: Japanorama, 1/6/2013 9:53:34 PM     (No. 9102269)

What the NYT asserts is automatically a lie until proven otherwise.

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Reply 67 - Posted by: 4Justice, 1/6/2013 10:16:15 PM     (No. 9102281)

What is up with all the comments about the "right-wing crazies" at the end? Are the American people THAT ignorant about finances and economics that they truly believe the "far right" is out of touch?? Do they all really have no understanding about the situation we are in? I know a lot of lefties are clueless, but it sounds like a lot of these people are moderates who don´t get it either. If that´s true, we have a lot of bigger hurdles than we can imagine. The left is so good at shaping perception, we don´t stand a chance unless we learn how to shape it and influence opinion also. Until then, we are heading further into the darkness...

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Reply 68 - Posted by: mikkins2, 1/6/2013 11:06:24 PM     (No. 9102345)

The New York Times blows Boehner a wet kiss and the GOP/NRC lap dogs get all tingly with rage when you don´t agree. Talk about entitlement mentality. Anyone following fiscal cliff farce closely can see raising taxes was already signed off on by both parties. All the weepy eyes drama nothing more then scripted political theater. Those who can´t see it for what it is is either part of the show or truly are "that" gullible.





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Reply 69 - Posted by: peterfleming, 1/7/2013 4:47:20 AM     (No. 9102526)

Without re-defining all the politically correct, Marxist, communized words and phrases being used against us by the Diane Sawyers, all the media, years of it schools everywhere, without re-defining these words used against free individuals, we will never win. I propose A Glossary of anti communist, anti Marxist, real life, pro capitalist, pro free market words and phrases. Start with the favorite most deceptively abused word of them all, introduced by Marxists in 1920, when these commies started calling themselves "liberal". And most dummies have bought it. Not one free market, libertarian, Founding Father classic liberal, but all the rest.
The other issue is the mafia press. Not a word is mentioned above here today, as though the media is not the powerful first weapon of socialist communist propaganda.
Bring words of individualism back and daily attack the lies and omissions of the media.
Get slackers Rush, Mark, Hannity, Glenn and O´Reilly to attack the lies of their fellow union buddies, the lying TV news actors they refuse to attack.

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Reply 70 - Posted by: Nevadadad46, 1/7/2013 1:32:25 PM     (No. 9103381)

It´s like a life boat adrift in a tossing sea, and there are three people frantically bailing while the other 40 sit around complaining how wet they are! The nation, at this moment, is toast and must face a massive "hard time" for everyone before we get the idiots to start helping bail. They choose, for now, to continue living in their fantasy world that doing nothing and ignoring the problem will get them through it. As for Boehner being a hero? Not very likely in my book- not at all! He´s a hanger-on. That´s all he is.

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