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Newt vs. Newt
Townhall, by Steve Deace

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Posted By:MissMolly, 1/6/2013 6:01:33 AM

This time I should’ve been the one listening. But listening can be tough sometimes when you’re an analyst and a commentator, and people around the country – listeners, readers, media, candidates, causes, businesses, etc. – come to you to find out why things are happening and what may happen next. (Snip)However, there’s a reason I have often compared Gingrich to King David in the Bible, beyond the marriage infidelity both have in common. Both were also extraordinarily God-gifted leaders whose legacies were tarnished by their slack of self-discipline. Both were often at their best when pursuing power

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: suedotsue, 1/6/2013 6:14:33 AM     (No. 9101100)

Let Newt move on. There are many exciting new people on the scene.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: PoliticalJunky, 1/6/2013 6:39:32 AM     (No. 9101119)

The fall of Newt Gingrich as Speaker upset me very much at the time. I faulted the Democrats for their unfair tactic of bringing charge after charge against him harrassing him into spending time and money fighting false charges that he always beat. I faulted the Republicans in the House for not rallying around Newt and for giving up on him.

When he sought the nomination for President I was already committed to another candidate. As he failed to get on the ballots of at least one state and several counties in other staates, I realized that mathematics proved he had no way to achieve his goal. At that point, I was baffled as to why he persevered.

Yes, he made a lot os sense and gave great speeches. But, was he helping anyone, even himself? Didn´t other voters see what I saw? Didn´t they look ahead as each state race came up and add up the numbers? Gingrich is a smart man. Didn´t he add the numbers?

Yesterday I was told I was a newcomer, a troll, and a liar by people who did not agree with me. I await my beating for the above.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: StormCnter, 1/6/2013 6:44:52 AM     (No. 9101129)

Disregard the malcontents of yesterday, #2. Lots of people have very strong opinions on a variety of things and some of them can get carried away. I´ll join you in wondering what in the world Newt Gingrich was doing when he announced his candidacy for 2012. I tend to believe he wasn´t serious, but just needed a bit of jump-start publicity for his speeches and books. However, when a lot of people began taking him seriously as a potential nominee, he was trapped into a campaign he didn´t want. #1 says let Newt move on. I agree, but he just won´t get off the stage.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: reilly, 1/6/2013 6:51:40 AM     (No. 9101131)


He´s become a stooge for the lefty media to dredge up on cue, almost a useful idiot.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Spidey, 1/6/2013 7:01:06 AM     (No. 9101135)

Well, we need someone as pushy and dynamic as Newt without all the side shows.The republicans really don´t have a big brain right now, masterminding counter moves against the left.We don´t have any idea people who can think outside the box.

Meanwhile,it´s full steam ahead for the left,tackling issues they never dreamed would come to reality, National healthcare,gun banning,some form of free college which really isn´t free but kids believe it is.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: philsner, 1/6/2013 7:10:23 AM     (No. 9101146)

You will get nailed every time you parrot the left. Its simple.

Newt sat down with Nancy Pelosi and pledged to fight global warming.
Nuff said.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: philsner, 1/6/2013 7:12:06 AM     (No. 9101149)

Malcontent = someone who disagrees with StormCenter.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: tisHimself, 1/6/2013 7:21:14 AM     (No. 9101166)

Newt got in when other potential carriers of the Reagan wing of the party ---Palin, Ryan, Bolton, were discouraged by the perceived inevitability of the great and severely conservative one time governor and government expansionist.
As flawed as his personal life is, he was the most articulate and thoughtful bona fide conservative of those available to take on Obama. Early in the primary, when Romney´s well organized machine was cruising along at 26% altitude, you will recall the early primaries included discussions on tax reform, on immigration, on the interrelationship between government, social issues and the attacks on American culture.
Gingrich wasn´t the candidate some hoped he would be. Sadly, we nominated a candidate who was exactly what we hoped he wouldn´t be, with predictable results.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: PoliticalJunky, 1/6/2013 7:30:47 AM     (No. 9101175)

Please excuse the second post but I truly wish someone would explain to me the point I keep making about the math involved in Newt´s problem of overcoming not being on the ballot in some places.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Pluperfect, 1/6/2013 7:38:46 AM     (No. 9101189)

#9, his supporters weren´t calculating that closely and Gingrich wasn´t really running, anyway. Remember when his staff quit and joined Perry because Gingrich and Callista decided to vacation somewhere in Polynesia rather than campaign?

You´re right about the math. It wasn´t possible and Gingrich knew it, but he kept collecting the donations.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: MissMolly, 1/6/2013 7:39:27 AM     (No. 9101192)

Shoe fit, #7?

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Reply 12 - Posted by: plumnellie, 1/6/2013 7:59:11 AM     (No. 9101214)

Not often agree with #3 but she says what I too had figured was what Newt was up to. He has been long a self promoter but that is not uncommon in a pol. The problem comes when the pol does not care what damage he does in his quest for glory. Newt needed face time and a launching pad for speaking fees, books think tanks,etc. He kept hoping exposure would make his wifie likeable. All it did was make her less so. Get off the stage Newt. He could have developed gracefully into a good adviser and pundit but he wanted to be Pelossi´s friend too. Silly man.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: FunnyGirl, 1/6/2013 8:18:34 AM     (No. 9101240)

I worked on the Gingrich campaign and he was running for president. He didn´t have the infrastructure that Romney had for sure, but he had a lot more than Bachmann or Santorum. It was in SC that Gingrich staffers, all veteran political hacks, abandoned him for Perry. Perry was the new shiny who they were sure could win and it had nothing to do with the cruise. That excuse was merely to snipe at Callista who the hacks despised. Missing those ballots was inexcusible and it can be argued that Newt was past his prime and didn´t have the discipline to run for president, but no one has the intellect or the wealth of ideas that he has. Not a single candidate had an actual plan for immigration reform except Newt. When he´s on, no one delivers the conservative message better. There is still much to learn from him.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: Udanja99, 1/6/2013 9:37:21 AM     (No. 9101384)

Name one politician in DC who isn´t full of himself/herself. The two best examples are Owebama and Pelousy.

We need to keep Newt on board as an adviser and we need to listen to him and take his advice.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: clayusmcret, 1/6/2013 10:19:17 AM     (No. 9101457)

I could have forgiven Newt for his sit down with Pelosi and other past indiscretions, but when he refused to lose graciously and assisted obama´s win..... that will never be forgiven.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: Coy860, 1/6/2013 10:23:37 AM     (No. 9101461)

No one can get the conservative message out like Newt, and he is fearless against the msm.
Love him or hate him, I wish we had a few more like him in the Republican party. One thing for sure, he is not an ELITE Republican, just a conservative one.
And I for one, would be happier with Newt than Boehner as Speaker in these dismal times.
Sometimes we are just too dense to see straight.
We don´t have to marry Newt or live with him, but we damn well could use an "in your face, Obama" personality right now.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: farmwife, 1/6/2013 10:31:33 AM     (No. 9101470)

And besides all that, his constant ´Callista and I´ as if they were one person, turned me off completely.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: Caveman, 1/6/2013 10:32:55 AM     (No. 9101472)

As a follow up to #2´s post:
Anytime a Republican becomes a problem for the dims, the lawsuits, character assassinations, etc., start to force them out.
Gingrich, Delay, etc., there is a long list.

Why has this not happened to Boner?
That is a rhetorical question by the way.

Newt is a smart guy, but Newt likes to hear Newt talk.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: Grambo, 1/6/2013 11:28:33 AM     (No. 9101543)

It takes more than good oratory to make a good candidate or good leader. There are these little matters of discipline and judgment. As to judgment, Newt’s Nancy Pelosi global warming moment tells us all we need to know. And as to discipline, his abrupt mid-campaign vacation, which precipitated the en mass resignation of his campaign staff, a development that he dismissed as a trifle, once again, tells us what we need to know. Newt did the Party no favors with his candidacy. His considerable talents would have been of considerable help, but, sadly, were not just wasted, but misused.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: avikingman, 1/6/2013 11:30:30 AM     (No. 9101548)

I´m with #13.
For starters, Newt would be a whole lot better than the pResident.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: MDMuskrat, 1/6/2013 11:58:42 AM     (No. 9101600)

The author slams Newt for a judgment reversal on traditional marriage. Pure hogwash!

He uses an article from the LGBT section of Media Matters to support his caseRepublicans should accept the destruction of marriage as “inevitable.”).

He then quotes Gingrich: "As president, I will vigorously enforce [DOMA]."

Well, unfortunately Newt will not be president...and is there anyone here who doubts the inevitability that the Progressives will destroy marriage...now that WE´VE given them four more years to do it? Get real!


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Reply 22 - Posted by: Sunhan65, 1/6/2013 12:17:18 PM     (No. 9101626)

When the primary started, the candidate who irritated me most was Newt Gingrich. At first I watched in horror as Gingrich gained support. Later I watched with fascination as he played beat the press and transformed the polls to take the lead. Then Romney opened up the opposition research (Freddie Mac), activated his clone army of establishment surrogates, and nuked Gingrich in Florida with the most money ever spent on negative ads in a GOP primary. Mitt Romney knew exactly how to beat Newt Gingrich, and he did.

The smart money--well-represented above--said Romney was our best choice to beat Obama. I accept #2´s math. Here´s mine: Mitt´s national favorable/unfavourable polling started a steep decline during his negative campaign to win Florida. Romney destroyed his opponents but damaged himself irreparably in the process. As I said at the time, no nominee had ever won the presidency with unfavourability numbers as bad as Mitt´s going into the convention. The Romney fanatics simply deluded themselves as they always had. Barack Obama knew exactly how to beat Mitt Romney, and he did. In order to have a chance to win, we needed a transformative politician. Instead we nominated Mitt Romney and we lost. I would have preferred losing with Gingrich.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: starboard, 1/6/2013 12:21:49 PM     (No. 9101635)

Dittos #11.

I would like to see Newt work behind the scenes to coach upcoming Republicans in the art of communication, skills in debating and using one liners effectively. His ability to inspire and instruct along with his knack for taking control of the subject matter is remarkable. Like the old E F Hutton ad...When Newt speaks people listen. He´s definitely gifted with stage presence and style and this unique characteristic needs to bottled up, taught and passed on to the younger generation. He´s a brilliant and talented man who needs to become involved in restoring our country to our traditional roots.



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Reply 24 - Posted by: King of all trolls, 1/6/2013 12:23:01 PM     (No. 9101637)

Wear it proudly, #2! Free thinkers like yourself are the only ones that can lead. It sure beats roaming around aimlessly in a herd.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: tomishere, 1/6/2013 12:24:17 PM     (No. 9101638)

I did support Newt in the primary until he attacked capitalism for gain political advantage over Romney. How anyone can believe newt will be true to conservative principals after doing that is beyond me. I do not think the man has an inner core.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: Sunhan65, 1/6/2013 1:27:17 PM     (No. 9101718)

Apologies for the second post. If memory serves, we disagreed on several issues during the primary, so let me be the first to say there is painful truth in #27´s post. Gingrich´s attacks on Romney´s business career were appalling. They were morally wrong and politically stupid. The Romney strategy, openly acknowledged after the fact, was to goad Gingrich into a negative campaign by pricking his vanity. Newt fell for it, appallingly. In a negative campaign, candidates say and do things they know are wrong. When the gloves come off, everyone spits teeth and things get ugly. Mitt Romney doesn´t really think Newt Gingrich was anti-Reagan during the 80s as his campaign claimed. I suspect Newt didn´t believe his attacks on Romney´s business career either. Still, it was shameful and unwise.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: redink, 1/6/2013 3:32:06 PM     (No. 9101861)

I love Newt threads...so instructive for conservatives.
Well said, #8, #13, #17.
I have always agreed with your well-thought out assessments #23 and #24.

And #16...Newt didn´t assist in Obama´s win. The Romney campaign managed that all on their own.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: retcpo, 1/6/2013 4:22:35 PM     (No. 9101927)

While Mr. Deace boasts of being "really good" at analysis and commentary, he completely misses the point that Newt is really, really good at "commentary without analysis as every idea that hits his brain immediately comes out of his mouth. Some are brillant but many are very, very bad.

Had Newt gotten the nomination it would only been when he would implode, not if he would.

Mr. Deace should be glad that he is employed at a time in our history when analysis and comentary require little talent.



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Reply 29 - Posted by: FunnyGirl, 1/7/2013 10:26:40 AM     (No. 9103030)

Some conservatives use purity tests that no candidate can pass. I think we would be wise to learn from those who are skilled at oratory and messaging, even if we aren´t in complete agreement all of the time. It sure beats losing over and over again.

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