Senator Dianne Feinstein´s latest divide-and-conquer attack on the Second Amendment has made even Senator Joe Manchin (D-WV) a sucker for the argument that private citizens do not need high-capacity magazines. These include not only 30-round rifle magazines, but 17-round magazines for handguns like the Glock. Why does anybody need a high capacity magazine? If Senator Manchin were to educate himself by, for example, attending Front Sight´s four-day defensive handgun class, he would learn the two primary answers: (1) Failure to stop the aggressor, and (2) Multiple aggressors
Ummm maybe because the bad guys have 30 round magazines in their guns? You know, the ones who don´t give a fig about LAW? Feinstein had no qualms about carrying a gun when SHE felt endangered..does she think she is a special class of royalty?
1. Sometimes you miss. 2. As the article points out, police files and combat after-action reports will tell you that a drugged-up assailant/enemy can be hit multiple times and keep coming. 3. It´s none of their damn business to tell me what I "need."
The odds are far higher that a 30-round magazine will be used by a criminal or by an unstable person than that they will be used by an upstanding individual to fight off such a perpetrator. It is a matter of where we choose, as a society, to draw the line.
A few years ago, many people put iron grates on their windows because they thought that would keep them safer from criminals in break-ins. What they forgot is that the iron grates made them more likely to die in fires when the iron grates kept them, and their children, from escaping. Yes, an iron grate is added protection...but it comes with a cost. In the case of 30-round magazines, yes, they can provide protection, but if they are in common supply, it is far easier for either criminals or mentally unstable people to get hold of them as well.
Nancy Lanza thought she was protecting herself by having the weapons that she had. Instead, those weapons killed her and many others. The author cites cases...but there are cases that make the opposing argument as well.
I need a bunch of 30 round clips so that politicians understand there is a well armed populace ready to revolt if they take our freedoms. That is exactly why we have the 2nd amendment. It has nothing to do with hunting or home defense. Why do we sugar coat that???
Practically, so you don´t have to spend your time at the range reloading magazines. Go with a bunch on pre-loaded 30-rounders and you´re good to go. If you only have 10 round mags you have to either buy more of them (costly, since they cost nearly as much as 30-rounders), or waste time at the range reloading mags.
Nice fantasy #6, but the previous assault weapons ban (which included limiting mag capacity to 10) had ZERO effect on crime.
Over the last 20 years violent crime rates in this country have been cut in half, despite much more lax gun laws, concealed carry being allowed in nearly all states, and more overall gun sales where the norm is magazines greater than 10 rounds.
But go ahead and make things up if it makes you feel better.
Exactly, 30rd magazines are useful in exercising the rights protected by the 2nd Amendment. If facing civil disorder, riots, multiple assailants, or even a single assailant who is attacking with the advantage of cover, 30 rounds will certainly be useful.
Further, all those politicians who bemoan the evil of standard capacity magazines, would they also call for the armed guards that protect them and law enforcement to be encompassed by the same restrictions?
It is not the business of someone who would deny me my birthright to decide what I "need". I will decide what I need. You decide what you need. That´s called freedom. I know its a foreign concept to many nowadays, but it seems perfectly natural to real Americans.
In the last election, the NRA endorsed Joe Manchin over conservative republican John Raese, who is a gun owner and strong second amendment supporter. Raese would also have been a more reliable vote with a conservative Supreme Court nominee than Manchin, who is going to do along with Obama. Sometimes I have to wonder how the NRA decides on who they are endorsing--and I´m an NRA Life Member.
Easy; failure to stop aggressive liberals, democrats and other Obama supporters and those cases when there are multiple aggressive liberals, democrats and other Obama supporters.
Newsflash: you are solely responsible for the safety of yourself and your children. This is a government that will not pursue obvious lawbreakers (armed New Black Panther Party members at the polling place, one of many examples) and that situation is getting worse.
When Feinstein and the rest of our glorious leaders give up their security guards and the police and FBI only have revolvers then maybe we can talk about not allowing automatic weapons. Until then we have a right to defend ourselves from predators and an immoral government
The lofty ignorant telling us what we need. The liberals deciding for the masses what is best for them. Hasn´t this been their arrogance all along, from how large our carbonated drinks should be (ala New York), where and when, or even if, we can smoke, and whether or not we can display the American flag?
These arrogant hacks are obsessed with micro-managing the lives of free Americans. It is time for them to understand that they serve US, not the other way around. Better yet, it is time for them to go!
I just know that large capacity clips wouldn´t be available to gangs and druggies if they were banned. After all, didn´t DC´s and Chicago´s bans on handguns work beautifully? But the judges went and struck down those bans, so now Chicago has become a dangerous place since then. Maybe if we politely asked all the gangs and other illegal gun owners to give up their weapons they would? In the liberal´s world, anyway.
Whether we "need" anything or not is not the question. The 2nd amendment "shall not be infringed."
Does anyone need: 1. a house bigger than 1500 sq ft 2. a boat 3. a personal plane 4. more than 2 cars 5. a hot tub 6. paintings and expensive art 7. paying $10 for a movie ticket 8. $200 shoes 9. vacation trips outside of the USA 10. dining out
..and the list goes on.
We have these things because we are a free society (although less so every year).
Congress and their stupidity!!Let them go about like normal people without security guards and see what their "singing" will be. Who are they scared of? Their constituents, who put them in their position? Given what these incompetent bums are doing in DC, they should be scared of their own shadows!!
Once again, the liberals are taking over the debate and steering it toward the idiot land- What possible bearing on the issue does ammunition capacity have? A man with a single shot derringer can kill an innocent person- a man with a sword, or baseball bat can murder as well until he/she gets exhausted! What difference if the guy has three or twenty ten round magazines or a single 30 round mag? For a trained shooter,reloading a magazine takes lass time than it does to aim and pull the trigger!
As #4 and others say, the primary reason is because in real-life situations you may MISS entirely or miss anything vital, the perps may be moving, you may be injured, lighting may be bad, a firefight may go on for minutes or longer, etc.
May I point out that the design use of assault weapons is not to shoot six year olds in a classroom.
Way to circular firing squad, #15. If #6 is a troll, then so am I. There may be good answers, but he or she brought up some valid points. Not everyone who occasionally veers from the party line is a subhuman and probably vote pretty much the same way you do.
And p.s. - what is a seminar poster? Does that mean their questions foster a seminar-type atmosphere where people actually learn something rather than constant echo chamber? Because the whole country needs to learn the answer to these questions - might as well start here. #11 was a good answer, I thought...
Anyone else happen to see Allisyn Camerota this morning on Fox and Fools? This anorexic commie leaped into the discussion on guns and was even worse than she usually is...could barely contain herself as she pretended to be part of a Q and A staged to frame her pro"get the guns" stance. She got so wound up she nearly spit on her herself. Kilmeade and Doocy clearly have their marching orders and served as stooges. There is no longer a difference between the networks, CNN and FOX. It´s down to degrees of bad and all are worthy of being turned off permanently. Seeing Doocy and Kilmeade knee bending to the hateful and caustic democrat"Allie" was revolting. That Camerota is a demonRAT is no surprise—what´s surprising is how open and brazen she has become and one can only assume that is with Ailes´/FOX blessing.
Well, somebody ought to address the real issue, so I guess that´s me.
The 2nd Amendment does not say "the right of the people to keep and bear such arms as their betters think they should...."
Never forget: the 2nd grants nothing. It recognizes an inalienable right to armed self-defense that is of even higher-provenance than the Constitution itself, and is therefore beyond the reach of the gov´t established by that Constitution.
Don´t get lost, don´t go off-track, by accepting the debate terms the Left lays down. Got it?
An invalid premise will often be challenged out here. Nothing personal.
As for me, there are certain areas where I will not permit "society" (translation: liberals) to "draw my lines" for me. Unfortunately, I´m stuck with this one in California. Don´t let it happen to you.
It is simple. Because a belt-fed machine gun is too hard to get. Why does any Member of Congress need $200,000 a year? Can´t they live off their lobbyists? Why does Zippy need $400,000 a year? All his expenses are paid. By us. And where are those hollow-point rounds for the Feddies? Are they afraid of something? Besides, David Gregory does NOT want guns in schools. Except for the school where he sends his children, which is an armed camp. (Sidwell Friends School) Guns for me, but not for thee, is the liberal cry. A skilled sniper, who practices every day, may make every shot count. The occasional gun user, on the other hand, misses a lot (but then so do the New York City Police). There are disadvantages to large magazines, of course. The spring travel is such that the last few rounds may jam. Oh, well.
Good essay. I also took the 4 Day Defensive Handgun course. There are so many variables involved in a lethal force situation, and FrontSight makes you think about all of them. I took the course because I do own firearms and I wanted to be sure that I was responsible enough to use them. But the left will never stop trying to disarm us. You can quote facts, figures, statistics to them, and they will stick their fingers in their ears, because they don´t want to hear any logic. It´s gotten to the tipping point, and we have got to stop apologizing about who we are as Americans and 2nd amendment supporters. NO MORE COMPROMISES.
As one who has my concealed carry license (and carries all the time), I do carry a handgun that has 17 rounds in the magazine (with another magazine in reserve). Why? Because I am not a police officer and this isn´t Hollywood. If I were to be in a situation with more than one perps, the odds are high that I will need every available option if I make the choice to engage. 17 rounds is not a lot when you think that half of those could miss their target (in a situation where people are moving and firing). I think it is the height of arrogance for Washington, D.C. pols and writers to limit my freedom to protect myself.
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