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Topic: Tea party backers swallow a bitter pill in ‘cliff’ bill |
Tea party backers swallow a bitter pill in ‘cliff’ bill
Washington Post, by David A. Fahrenthold*
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Posted By:Dreadnought, 1/1/2013 9:41:48 PM
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The bill was 153 pages long. It was written only the day before, by Washington insiders working in the dark of night. It was crammed with giveaways and legislative spare parts: tax breaks for wind farms and race tracks. A change to nuclear-weapons policy. Government payments for cheese. And most significantly, the bill would raise taxes but do relatively little to cut government spending or the massive federal deficit. To a tea-party-influenced crop of House Republicans, the bill to resolve the “fiscal cliff” crisis was everything they had wanted to change about the way Washington worked. Headline changed by source. Corrected by staff
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Comments: w/Rosalind S. Helderman and Ed O’Keefe.
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Reply 1 - Posted by:
noproblems, 1/1/2013 9:47:05 PM (No. 9093860)
cant wait to hear from the Repug apologizers trying to justify this. Same gullible people who voted for Romney, McCain, Bushes , Dole etc.
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
bamapreacher, 1/1/2013 9:47:05 PM (No. 9093861)
If the Republican members of Congress simply resigned en masse things really wouldn´t be any worse. They are merely ciphers and a waste of taxpayer´s money.
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
noddy, 1/1/2013 9:52:32 PM (No. 9093868)
Cheese. Really?
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
wws, 1/1/2013 10:46:05 PM (No. 9093916)
Congratulations to all those reps who voted against Bohner´s plan B - turns out they all just guaranteed that we would get a deal that was even worse. Which is what everyone else said at the time.
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
ColonialAmerican1623, 1/1/2013 11:16:36 PM (No. 9093947)
What nonsense. They knew this was coming, why wait until January 1 ?
The wasted tax dollars by our leaders is stupid and don´t even have a good excuse. I was so angry that I used Congress.org to write to them.
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
PoliticalJunky, 1/2/2013 2:45:33 AM (No. 9094098)
The incoming House will have ten fewer Republicans but I suppose many of us will expect wonders of them as well. It can get worse you know. We could lose the House entirely in 2014.
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
NotaBene, 1/2/2013 3:09:03 AM (No. 9094108)
This might be the time to start a third Party. We may lose the House because that is what Hussein demands of the mooching hordes. The Republican Party leader cannot be John Boehner because he was defeated. New blood is needed, probably a new Tea Party allied with the Republican Party for the selection of Speaker may do.
I am Sarah Palin.
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
iamtinman, 1/2/2013 3:58:17 AM (No. 9094119)
Every one of those scurvey "servants of the people" went to sleep tonight with a nice if undeserved pay raise and secure in the knowledge that they aren´t going to have to pay back the debt they just incurred. Your children on the other hand--
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
Ida Lil, 1/2/2013 4:29:42 AM (No. 9094130)
if you read the bill you should note the Congressional pay raise bribe was turned down in the details. Such a great lesson -- by turning down plan B for this one the increase is now higher. About that third party . It would become 3 4 and 5th party with not one strong enough to elect a dog catcher because it takes team work and no candidate would be pure enough to please everyone of the factions.
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
Rather Read, 1/2/2013 6:30:16 AM (No. 9094168)
My representative did not vote for this. Thank you sir. You are going to get a letter from me.
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
AnnaS, 1/2/2013 7:16:00 AM (No. 9094212)
The ones that did not vote for it were "allowed" cover by Boehner! If he needed the vote they would have voted yes!
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
bubby, 1/2/2013 7:29:50 AM (No. 9094234)
The Republican Party as constituted now wants to tax and spend just a tiny little bitty less than the Democrats. Those of us in the Tea Party wing want Government to tax and spend a whole lot less. I am fed up with the Republican Party what a bunch of spineless representatives we have in Congress. Even my Rep Brady from Texas voted for it what a disappointment. I guess fixing the Constitution and confiscation of our guns is next.
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
O.S. Banker, 1/2/2013 7:42:52 AM (No. 9094254)
For some reason that i cannot fathom, the press seems to think that this grand bill will suspend the fundamentals of economics, right our ship and provide calm seas for smooth sailing. Yet, this bill did not address the core problem, we are spending 30% more than we take in.
The debt will continue to grow, and our anemic recovery will fizzle as a result of capital being withdrawn from the private sector to pay increased taxes. While China has been a buyer of our debt, it has done so in order to support its exports to us. As our economy continues to contract, our purchases of consumer goods will contract as well.
Additionally, as the Euro-Zone dissentergrates, Germany will recover as it is decoupled from the PIIGS. The press can bray all the want about policy and Bills, but if the fundamentals remain flawed, there is no affirmative change.
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
Lawsy0, 1/2/2013 7:45:25 AM (No. 9094262)
I just did a quick check on the Tennessee delegation; Alexander and Corker (senate) voted FOR the bill. Our seven House members voted AGAINST it.
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
AnnaS, 1/2/2013 7:47:34 AM (No. 9094266)
Mr O S Banker, if you had not noticed, the media is part of the Orwellian kabuki!
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
Sunhan65, 1/2/2013 7:59:01 AM (No. 9094279)
I want the cliff back. I want anything that will stop the United States federal government from bankrupting us and the world. Sequestration had one huge advantage over what we have now: It did what no human being in Washington is capable of doing. It cut government spending.
Obama won this thing the moment the Republicans let him tie his tax increases to the sequestration cuts. The Republican position should have been: We need to stop government spending. Until we get a President and Senate that can pass a budget, we´re going to have do it the hard way. Sequestration stops spending, and that´s got to happen whether we like it or not. In the meantime, the President wants to raise taxes. We´ve tried to stop him, and passed multiple bills in the House to stop the Obama tax increases, but he refuses to listen. The President believes that raising tax rates will solve the spending crisis, so he´s going to do that. That´s his plan, not ours. We cut government spending; he raises your taxes. If you want even more taxes, vote for his party in 2014.
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Reply 17 - Posted by:
reilly, 1/2/2013 8:05:54 AM (No. 9094293)
So "up the markets at all costs" rules. A deal to keep rates low on most taxpayers is better than nothing. But this is a pretty shabby performance all around.
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Reply 18 - Posted by:
Bad Dog, 1/2/2013 8:06:12 AM (No. 9094295)
Have we been conquered?
Well, have we?!!
I suspect we have, or that they THINK we have, but I am NOT ready to concede.
Grandma Wolverines Brigade, forming out here ... I refuse to be put behind the drive-in theater razor wire!
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Reply 19 - Posted by:
O.S. Banker, 1/2/2013 8:13:07 AM (No. 9094303)
I am well aware of the roll the press has assigned for themselves (Cheerleaders-Democrats) but their capacity for denial is what truly astounds me. In personal terms, these clowns could take a 20% pay cut, and plan on maintaining their lifestyle with their Mastercard, indefinitely.
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Reply 20 - Posted by:
TheMotherCO, 1/2/2013 8:20:21 AM (No. 9094313)
All done with anything to do with the cliff thingie, signifying nothing, just buzz words. John did not have the support for Plan B which would have been better and I would not vote for the pubbies that sat on their hands. BTW, why is sarah palin not just posting as sarah palin?
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Reply 21 - Posted by:
gwmcclintok, 1/2/2013 8:22:29 AM (No. 9094318)
1. There´s a provision extending a tax policy related to Puerto Rican rum. 2.And a tax credit for 2- and 3-wheel electric vehicles. 70 million 4. An extension of some special rules for the film and television business. 430 million. 5. A gift to the car-racing world. 70 million 6. Help to asparagus farmers. 7.$59 million for algae growers 8.Another provision dealt with nuclear weapons. It will alter a law setting conditions under which the president could reduce the U.S. nuclear arsenal. Giving Obama more power. 9.One provision renews an Agriculture Department price-support program through which the government buys cheese and butter from dairy farmers.
Thank you Republicans. What happened to that lying contract you boasted of in 2010? Yeah I bet you did vote for it Paul Ryan. Protecting your cheese crowd.
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Reply 22 - Posted by:
knarfski, 1/2/2013 8:40:11 AM (No. 9094344)
Too many in DC/Congress are in the dark with respect to the actual social contingencies operating in society. They are captives to "what´s on paper" and all the attendant weaknesses.
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Reply 23 - Posted by:
49 Ford, 1/2/2013 8:45:35 AM (No. 9094357)
#16, that´s not a realistic scenario. The Republicans would have been blamed for the tax increases ("In their zeal to protect the rich they were willing to raise your taxes!") and the MSM stoked and fueled "hardships" caused by sequestration (remember the ´95 government shutdown)?
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Reply 24 - Posted by:
BarryNo, 1/2/2013 8:51:39 AM (No. 9094368)
Sorry but you´re all a bunch of idiots.
This plan is worse than the public showing of Plan ´B´, but probably not any worse than what Plan ´B´ would have been once implemented. Remember what Boehner did with the last Debt Ceiling deal?
The Washington Reality is that Washington Elites do what they want to, to acquire power. This is merely rubbing our faces and our Conservative member´s faces in that reality. The way out of this mess is NOT to punish those who stood on principle, or reward those who have slapped us in the face.
Our founders risked everything to give us freedom. Most ended up dying in the gutters, betrayed by people like these Washington Elites (who, by the way also enshrined slavery in America in those early years). If we want liberty we may have to fight for it - and I´m not talking about ´political maneuvering´. If they won´t stop spending, then we have to discover ways of starving the beast. We also must understand that IF we successfully starve this government monster, we must be prepared to defend ourselves when they come after us. They will come after us with Media, and with guns. They will kill us, if we successfully pose a threat to their plans and power.
This is the beginning of the end of America, or the the beginning of a a renewed America.
It is our choice. And I don´t plan on swallowing anything.
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Reply 25 - Posted by:
Catherine, 1/2/2013 9:02:13 AM (No. 9094396)
# 2 makes the best sense I´ve read here in ages.
My friend keeps blaming Republicans for the mess we´re in. She doesn´t seem to understand Republicans have been powerless since 2008. If they all left, it would make it very clean who the bad guys really are.
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Reply 26 - Posted by:
get er done, 1/2/2013 9:25:10 AM (No. 9094457)
Tea Party and other conservative Republicans should refuse to ratify the Electoral College vote and should instead elect a Constitutionally qualified president of their choice. Give Dems and 0 a "bitter pill" to swallow.
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Reply 27 - Posted by:
Coy860, 1/2/2013 9:29:22 AM (No. 9094469)
I was shocked by Obama´s speech bragging about increasing taxes on the wealthy! He was acting like Rocky after the big fight. WHAT kind of President does that? I suggest all wealthy leave the USA, as it appears this government does not make them welcome here, but rather targets them for shame and punishment. Take your businesses and wealth to some place where you will get the thanks and respect you deserve for your hard work. America will be like Greece in less than 10 years.
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Reply 28 - Posted by:
JAN, 1/2/2013 9:31:39 AM (No. 9094475)
Most of the peope here on Lucianne.com don´t want to acknowledge that the dems have been in charge since 2006.
Blaming republicans for all the world´s ills.
They had a chance to get out and vote. Now they are whining about the results.
Thanks for nothing purists.
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Reply 29 - Posted by:
lifelonghuman, 1/2/2013 9:52:15 AM (No. 9094516)
Sadly, they needed to get this "out of the way". The real test comes in two months.
Plus, I like cheese.
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Reply 30 - Posted by:
Refried, 1/2/2013 10:06:09 AM (No. 9094542)
Dittos to poster #7 !
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Reply 31 - Posted by:
Cleanhousein2012, 1/2/2013 10:27:47 AM (No. 9094566)
28 - many of us did get out and vote, not too mention worked our tails off to get a lousy candidate elected as President. It is not too much for us to expect our elected misrepresentatives to vote against bad policy and have our backs. The Republican-led Congress voted to increase taxes and increase spending in a bill they didn´t have time to read.
The repubs are toast. They wil lose the House in 2014 because if they are going to vote like Democrats, we might as well vote for a Democrat. I know my local RINO Congressman will never again receive my vote.
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Reply 32 - Posted by:
ilovedogs, 1/2/2013 10:37:54 AM (No. 9094593)
I refuse to trash Romney for losing. We all knew it was going to be an uphill battle no matter who won the primary. Was he my first choice, no. But he handled the whole thing as well as could be expected. I want the people on "our" side who didn´t vote for him to justify their actions. Surely they knew too this too would happen. Hunker down, this too will pass.
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Reply 33 - Posted by:
RancherJack, 1/2/2013 11:07:31 AM (No. 9094666)
Time to water the Tree of Liberty
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Reply 34 - Posted by:
chicodon, 1/2/2013 11:22:06 AM (No. 9094704)
I hope the Republicans can hang this albatross around the Democrats´ necks. If I were them this would be the LAST deal, of any kind, until 2014. Use the power of the purse.
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Reply 35 - Posted by:
maryc, 1/2/2013 11:56:48 AM (No. 9094779)
UAA Bankruptcy dollar by printed dollar. The depression will look mild by comparrison. What will happen when the free phones are turned off and the free cheese has been eaten by the Rats in Congress and the White House ?
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Reply 36 - Posted by:
maryc, 1/2/2013 11:58:10 AM (No. 9094782)
sorry meant to say USA
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Reply 37 - Posted by:
navybrat, 1/2/2013 12:29:01 PM (No. 9094837)
All of the Georgia House members voted No. The 2 RINO senators voted for it. I want to work to get Saxby Chambliss primaried so that he can be voted out in the upcoming election. Then on to get Isakson voted out.
I have wanted to re-register as an Independent for a long time. The problem is that if I did, I would not be able to vote in the Republican primaries.
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Reply 38 - Posted by:
knowThem, 1/2/2013 12:54:19 PM (No. 9094881)
third party time seems to me I´ve been saying it for too long, GOP can go off the cliff, they got too fat.
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Reply 39 - Posted by:
rocket scientist, 1/2/2013 1:19:40 PM (No. 9094928)
Tax paying Americans just got our noses rubbed in the same old crap again. We still don´t have a budget, taxes just got higher and spending just got higher and nothing was done to reduce the deficit. And we´re all supposed to be relieved because we avoided this phony fiscal cliff? This deal was all about putting a stake in the Republican Party and kicking the can down the road again. We got nothing from Boehner and his boys yet again. How much longer are Americans going to put up with this fake dog and pony show from our corrupt government? We citizens are trapped with a criminal government and a corrupt media. Michael Savage said it well recently - "When we lost the media we lost the country".
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Reply 40 - Posted by:
distorted, 1/2/2013 1:40:38 PM (No. 9094956)
It had to have been the gov´t payments for cheese that did it.
No, it was the continuing billion$ to the windmill kleptocracy.
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Reply 41 - Posted by:
MickinPhoenix, 1/2/2013 1:46:27 PM (No. 9094965)
A third party is not the way to go. A united Dem Party will ALWAYS DEFEAT a devided second and third party.
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Reply 42 - Posted by:
JediJerry, 1/2/2013 1:50:59 PM (No. 9094976)
Now I understand why Photoonist bailed. People can only work so hard then the bottom falls out and it´s time to hang up the six guns. I can´t take it anymore either. We are so doomed. Hey Photoonist... wait up brother, i am right behind you. Anybody else feelin it?
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Reply 43 - Posted by:
doctorfixit, 1/2/2013 2:39:36 PM (No. 9095049)
The Republican party is a sham. It provides the illusion of choice and serves as the scapegoat for Democrats. Republicanism = socialism + militarism. Boehner´s goal was to protect our bloated military budget. The GOP has never reduced federal spending, has never eliminated a single socialist program. The history of the GOP is an almost uninterrupted series of retreat and surrenders. Unlike the Democrats, the GOP has never resolved the inner conflict between the Teddy Roosevelt/Nelson Rockefeller eastern big government progressives, and the western advocates of smaller government, who stay with the GOP, but almost always lose.
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Reply 44 - Posted by:
3XALADY, 1/2/2013 3:00:44 PM (No. 9095078)
Amen#44. I´ve about had it with caring about what happens politically and I´ve about had it with the talkers every day. Full up to here with their nothingness. We have a president tearing this country down who is most probably not even eligible to be president and no one except for a very few have the gonads to take a look. And the ones who do care enough to find out the truth and chewed up, spit out and forgotten about. Not one time during the last election did I hear the ineligibility of Zippy being mentioned. Enough is enough, and I´ve about had enough.
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Reply 45 - Posted by:
Dodge Boy, 1/2/2013 8:17:58 PM (No. 9095580)
Here we go again. It´s not just the pubs, folks. Both parties and the elected independents certainly bear their share of the failures.
As you have read right here on L.com, don´t fall for the progressive trick of divide and conquer. By wishing the pub party to go away is exactly what the left wants to have happen because it guarantees them perpetual control over who we are, what we think, and when we will think it. By the time any new third party becomes powerful enough, it will be to little too late. Better to improve the republican party to defeat the left including the msm, once and for all.
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Reply 46 - Posted by:
federale, 1/3/2013 10:22:46 AM (No. 9096367)
The Ongoing Disgrace That Is Obamanomics
President Obama has led America into an accelerating downward spiral. Destination: Argentina. Last Friday’s calamitous jobs report was just a signpost on the way.
Argentina enjoyed the world’s fourth highest per capita GDP in 1929, on par with the U.S. at the time. But then the nation lost its way through its embrace of a leftist, union allied government, which took control of the economy and imposed wildly irresponsible taxes, spending, deficits and debt. After World War II, the hugely popular Juan Peron came to power and institutionalized the madness. It has been all downhill for Argentina ever since. Sound familiar? Today, Argentina ranks 53rd in the world in per capita GDP according to the International Monetary Fund, 57th in the CIA World Factbook, at a level less than one third that of the U.S. But its national debt at 51% of GDP is actually less than that of the United States under the Obama Administration, where we are rocketing towards 70% of GDP by the end of this year, and 200% in 25 years, according to CBO.
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House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa said embattled IRS official Lois Lerner waived her Fifth Amendment rights and will be hauled back to appear before his panel again. The California Republican said Lerner’s Fifth Amendment right to avoid self-incrimination was voided when she gave an opening statement this morning denying any wrongdoing and professing pride in her government service. “When I asked her her questions from the very beginning, I did so so she could assert her rights prior to any statement,” Issa told POLITICO. “She chose not to do so — so she waived.”
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Howard Dean: ‘Benghazi is a Laughable Joke’
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National Review Online, by Andrew Johnson
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Posted By: KarenJ1- 5/21/2013 11:59:15 AM
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Former Democratic National committee chairman Howard Dean considers the controversy over Benghazi a “joke” and “silly.” “Benghazi is a laughable joke,” Dean proclaimed twice in a discussion with Republican National Committee communications chairman Sean Spicer last week. “With all due respect, governor, when four Americans die serving this country, that’s not a joke, sir,” Spicer responded. “Oh, stop it,” said Dean. The former Democratic presidential candidate also said that there were “no serious questions being asked about Benghazi” and brushed it off as an effort by Republicans to score political points.
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