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Craigslist sperm donor forced to pay
child support to lesbian couple despite
giving up parental rights to daughter before
birth

Daily Mail (UK), by staff

Original Article

Posted By:zephyrgirl, 12/31/2012 10:47:30 AM

A sperm donor has been forced to pay child support to the lesbian couple who found him via Craigslist. Angela Bauer, 40, and partner Jennifer Schreiner, 34, placed an ad on the site three years ago for a donor which was answered by William Marotta. He provided sperm which was used for artificial insemination on Ms Schreiner. In return, Mr Marotta gave up parental rights including financial duties for the child.

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I don´t even know where to begin in commenting on this article - this couple had been together eight years, and had been allowed to adopt eight children???? Now they and all those kids are on the dole! And what idiot responds to a "sperm donor wanted" ad on Craigs list?????

And these three idiots vote.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: DennisM, 12/31/2012 10:56:12 AM     (No. 9091406)

If the state say´s he should pay then if he so desires shouldn´t he be able to take custody of the child?

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Bobn.T, 12/31/2012 11:11:23 AM     (No. 9091424)

This article illustrates perfectly what our society is moving to. Lesbian and homosexual marriage, abortion on demand, no religion, big gov´t controlling your every movement, welfare, entertainment violence, tax the rich, class warfare, education system that places the USA in the bottom internationally, no morals, tattoos, body piercings, me first syndrome, rudeness, shootings, drugs, road rage, police abuse, corruption, cheating, immigration chaos, and a black Pres that endorses and participates in every bit of what I just said.

Garbage, garbage, garbage - is what USA has become.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Coy860, 12/31/2012 11:13:55 AM     (No. 9091427)

He should go for custody of his child, AND child support from the 2 crazy women.
What´s good for the goose is good for the gander.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: zzzghy, 12/31/2012 11:14:52 AM     (No. 9091428)

Too stupid to live, but not too stupid to breed. Homo sapiens are some of the dumbest primates on planet earth.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: bridgepard, 12/31/2012 11:16:31 AM     (No. 9091431)

What #2 said.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: richwill, 12/31/2012 11:20:13 AM     (No. 9091438)

The pictures explain why they are lesbians.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: veritas, 12/31/2012 11:23:05 AM     (No. 9091445)

Another domino-string of idiotic policies and decisions.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: jfodoch, 12/31/2012 11:24:24 AM     (No. 9091452)

I´m saving your comment, #4. A wonderful summary of a situation that doesn´t have to exist.

The political and social situations in our nation are beyond surreal!

Lest I repeat myself, IT DOESN´T HAVE TO BE THIS WAY!

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Achilles, 12/31/2012 11:24:48 AM     (No. 9091453)

Good. treat him like a parent. You should not be allowed to contract out reproduction. There should not be a gestational carrier or a sperm donor recognized under the law.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: mitzi, 12/31/2012 11:26:47 AM     (No. 9091461)

Apparently, one can change from homosexual to heterosexual ...

Moving on: Jennifer Schreiner posted this picture with a man believed to be her new partner since the end of her relationship with Angela Bauer.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: locomotivebreath1901, 12/31/2012 11:29:00 AM     (No. 9091471)

This whole situation smacks of child abuse and neglect.

I pity that poor lil girl.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Salt5792, 12/31/2012 11:32:30 AM     (No. 9091485)

Outrageous government decisions in the family law area is why marriage is dying out in the US. Men don´t want to incur the unlimited liability.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: msjena, 12/31/2012 11:32:54 AM     (No. 9091486)

They adopted 8 children?! Who is taking care of them now? And who says that ugly women can´t find a man?

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Reply 14 - Posted by: GraniteBayTom, 12/31/2012 11:39:59 AM     (No. 9091503)

Holy, Moly. What have we allowed ourselves to become. My late parents and grandparents would not believe this.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: Refried, 12/31/2012 11:41:32 AM     (No. 9091509)

Mega dittos to what poster #2 said!!!

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Reply 16 - Posted by: JoeDanMedia, 12/31/2012 11:46:34 AM     (No. 9091518)

These Freak Show Contestants have been allowed to adopt 8 children...

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Reply 17 - Posted by: BaseballFan, 12/31/2012 11:47:30 AM     (No. 9091520)

Celebrate diversity.
/s off/

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Reply 18 - Posted by: secondtimelucky, 12/31/2012 11:48:23 AM     (No. 9091522)

OH. Dear. Sweet. Jesus.

God owes an apology to Sodom and Gomorrah...

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Reply 19 - Posted by: Susieq1, 12/31/2012 11:53:34 AM     (No. 9091535)

Totally agree # 2.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: MsMontana, 12/31/2012 11:54:28 AM     (No. 9091539)

This is a very interesting example of how contracts between agreeing people are not binding if the law will not support them.

As a former debt collector, whenever I had to call someone regarding an unpaid debt for their child, where BOTH parents were responsible, many times the debtor on the other end would tell me that his or her ex spouse was ordered to pay that for the child and that the person I was calling was "not responsible for payment."

Except that contracts such as that are binding only on the individuals and the court, if entered into in court. It is NOT binding on anyone else which also means creditors. So, even though these three people entered into a contract, that was binding on all of them, that does NOT mean they get to go to someone else to foot the bills under the same terms when the funding has to come from outside their little contractual circle.

So, if you want to "donate" something and agree to give up all rights and responsibilities to the people who receive the donation, you better make sure the law supports your position in ALL instances, or you will be held accountable, and rightly so.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: MsMontana, 12/31/2012 11:58:15 AM     (No. 9091547)

I should clarify....parenting plans that are entered into a court, which is essentially what these three agreed to, a parenting contract, is binding ONLY on the parties involved and the court if it is entered into the court as a court action. Other than that...it is not binding on anyone else, so theoretically, the "donor" could also be held liable for all expenses related to his progeny DESPITE his signing his rights over. He did not sign them over in accordance with the State of Kansas and that is why this has come up.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: 4Justice, 12/31/2012 12:00:03 PM     (No. 9091552)

#2, I know exactly how you feel!!! Our society is out of control.

#10, one person does not exemplify all people. Obviously, she is bi-sexual which means that she is one of those who can make choices. Most people fall somewhere along a continuum from 100% hetero to 100% homo. Very few fit the 100% category, but the vast majority are on the hetero side. This is not taking into account environmental issues like abuse and familial dysfunction or mental issues that can create confusion. Anyway, just because some people can choose who to be with, only means they are attracted to both and are more in the middle of the continuum. But it doesn´t mean they all can. I doubt many of you can choose to be with someone of the same sex. It would gross you out. That is how someone who is toward the 100% gay side feels about the opposite sex.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: Sfacheem, 12/31/2012 12:16:35 PM     (No. 9091583)

FTA: "Moving on: Jennifer Schreiner posted this picture with a man believed to be her new partner since the end of her relationship with Angela Bauer."

Translation: Jennifer Schreiner is a sexually confused, brain-dead, spoiled,nincompoop who shouldn´t be allowed anywhere near a child, much less be allowed to adopt and raise 8.



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Reply 24 - Posted by: Conservativegirl, 12/31/2012 12:21:06 PM     (No. 9091591)

#6 hits the nail! When you look like that, you have two choices in life: live alone or be a lesbian.


Girl´s Hubby

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Reply 25 - Posted by: KimoSaavy, 12/31/2012 12:24:54 PM     (No. 9091602)

In that state, they are single women and the state made the right call. Still, this is wrong on so many levels. Giving up parental rights voluntarily does not shield from having to pay up. It happens in heterosexual cases too. Otherwise men would just walk away to avoid support.

Apparently, the two women did not want to force him to pay anything, the state is forcing him. They could have done the honorable thing and not throw him under the bus. Custody does not seem to be an issue in this case. However the state may not deny him if he chooses that route. If he does, it may be to strike back at the women and the state, but poor kid.

This is a cautionary tale for men who make private deals with lesbian couples; they can come back later and make parental claims. But so can single gals and married gals who made babies with not their husband. What tangled web our society is weaving. Head hurts.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: bmw50, 12/31/2012 12:27:30 PM     (No. 9091603)

Our future is in the hands of our children and we treat them like this? What on earth does this teach them?

God have mercy on America!

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Reply 27 - Posted by: Muggins, 12/31/2012 12:27:41 PM     (No. 9091604)

The sad thing is, most guys won´t hear about this because they didn´t read this article. And they´ll be victimized by lesbian couples who have read this story.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: PageTurner, 12/31/2012 12:31:39 PM     (No. 9091609)

I wou1dn´t be so sure that 1ast person Jennifer is posing with is a man.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: columba, 12/31/2012 12:40:10 PM     (No. 9091620)

Scrub society clean of God. Pretend that homosexual behavior is normal. What do you get?

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Reply 30 - Posted by: tomanderson61, 12/31/2012 1:02:24 PM     (No. 9091653)

Very easy solution to all this.

Since the woman supports the donor and is on his side, let the court ruling stand. He pays her $500 a month (or whatever) and she simply pays it right back to him.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: antidem, 12/31/2012 1:03:07 PM     (No. 9091654)

Whatever happened to natural law?

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Reply 32 - Posted by: KingBubo, 12/31/2012 1:19:41 PM     (No. 9091684)

I read that these women are not seeking this, but the State of Kansas is.

They applied for Welfare (don´t they get benefits for adopting 8 kids)? THey had a contract, but since they used a turkey aster instead of a licensed doctor, he is not protected.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: NorthernDog, 12/31/2012 1:33:09 PM     (No. 9091703)

To top it off one of the ´children´ they adopted is 25 years old. And people today make fun of the Ozzie and Harriet era...

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Reply 34 - Posted by: jlw509, 12/31/2012 2:30:10 PM     (No. 9091794)

#22, who the heck cares about "what she feels" or "when he chooses" or "whoever/whatever they are now attracted to" etc. etc.

Obligations are obligations. Duties are duties. They do not depend on your on-and-off feelings. Children have rights which are natural, are imprinted in the bodies and minds, and are necessary for their life-long-flourishing.

#1 in the list of rights is, of course, the right to life = the right to just go on living, not to be assaulted, terminated, or murdered.

But right #2 is closely akin to it, and this is: the right to the support, provision, and nurturance of your natural father and mother, bound by the commitment we have always called "marriage".

That´s what sex, love, and marriage are supposed to be about: the bond of one man and one woman to each other and to the children born to them. They have the duty to acknowledge the child as bone-of-their-bone and flesh-of-their-flesh, to love and care for their child as such, because this is what every child needs to humanly flourish.

Pack up your "I feel" and "I want" and store it with the rest of your kindergarten memorabilia. An adult says: "The child´s needs come before my feelings and wants."

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Reply 35 - Posted by: harper, 12/31/2012 2:37:52 PM     (No. 9091807)

...And these three idiots vote...Democrat

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Reply 36 - Posted by: mitzi, 12/31/2012 2:41:15 PM     (No. 9091812)

#28 - if you enlarge the picture on FB - you can clearly see a bit of a shadow from a beard.

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Reply 37 - Posted by: strike3, 12/31/2012 3:22:32 PM     (No. 9091858)

Wow, talk about butt ugly. Be happy they decided to adopt instead of make a habit of procreating. The guy must feel really stupid about now.

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Reply 38 - Posted by: BigGeorgeTX, 12/31/2012 3:31:58 PM     (No. 9091875)

Was the manufacturer of the turkey baster also sued?

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Reply 39 - Posted by: GOP_U_BET, 12/31/2012 3:36:00 PM     (No. 9091879)

Awhile ago, I made a point of watching some episodes of the series, The L Word, to try and understand if I was truly and hopelessly out of touch with the women with I have nothing in common save gender. I am. On the show, there was a hapless Lesbian couple desperate to have a baby and they were ambushing every guy they knew to donate sperm for their progeny project, while making it clear that the guy would not any subsequent rights or responsibilities to the baby. They were doing this because they could not afford to keep purchasing semen from a sperm bank. They were openly astonished and outraged as one guy after another turned them down--especially the gay guys. The guys were clearly and rightfully uncomfortable with creating offspring in such an uncontrolled fashion.

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Reply 40 - Posted by: 4Justice, 12/31/2012 3:46:30 PM     (No. 9091899)

#35, I was making a point to 10 that one´s orientation is not necessarily a choice for everyone just because it was for one person.

#23, I think you nailed this case regarding the one dingbat.

The point of this story seems to be that government can control all aspects of your life. Apparently, if they had gone through a licensed doctor and an accredited sperm bank (both government regulated and paid for), the man´s rights would have been protected. However, since they didn´t, the state went after him for child support and nullified the contract he made. Government owns you.

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Reply 41 - Posted by: Hammock, 12/31/2012 6:20:42 PM     (No. 9092111)

The article says the kid´s mother revealed the identity of the sperm donor because otherwise the state would not have provided medical insurance to the kid. As a former welfare worker I am puzzled as to why she didn´t lie about the identity as do so many others. They pick a common name and say they met the guy at a bar, got drunk, etc. and haven´t seen him since. Thus they hope to keep the real father sweet to provide some money under the table. But maybe she had already gone too far with the lesbian rights thing to do this. Still, it´s a pretty low payback for the "donation".

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Reply 42 - Posted by: rocket scientist, 12/31/2012 6:54:40 PM     (No. 9092156)

I think the guy gets exactly what he deserves. Any guy stupid enough to donate his sperm to a couple of Lesbian crazies deserves all the financial pain he can get for thinking he can become a parent without any responsibility. Especially when his DNA can be traced directly back to him. What an idiot.

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Reply 43 - Posted by: noddy, 12/31/2012 9:33:53 PM     (No. 9092347)

They ran an ad on Craigslist three years ago looking for a sperm donor. The women split in 2010. All three had a contract. That is THREE. I did not sign the contract and therefore should not be paying for their lifestyle. I feel awful for all the children involved. Government - I just don´t think you thought this through.

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Reply 44 - Posted by: ColonialAmerican1623, 12/31/2012 10:52:45 PM     (No. 9092439)

Seems somebody should sue the state for allowing them to adopt eight children with no means to care for them or psych evals.

Lewis Grizzard was right-
Elvis Is Dead and I Don´t Feel So Good Myself

Barf alert.

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Reply 45 - Posted by: msjena, 12/31/2012 11:37:35 PM     (No. 9092503)

#24--one of them now has a boyfriend. So there´s no accounting for taste!

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Reply 46 - Posted by: joew9, 1/2/2013 10:16:39 AM     (No. 9094555)

There are so many things wrong with this.
1. They adopted children and then asked the state to pay.
2. They adopted way more children than just about anyone can appropriately raise unless they have the resolve of the Duggers.
3. They didn´t respect their marriage/civil union and got divorced. Marriage is for the purpose of staying together and raising the children.
4. They violated the concept of sperm donation by not leaving the donor as anonymous.



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To "honor the dignity and work of immigrants," Democratic House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi helps Bishop Marc Andrus wash the feet of two children Thursday at Saint John the Evangelist Episcopal Church in San Francisco. Pelosi also used the occasion to talk about passing HR15 - bipartisan immigration legislation that her office says would "reduce the deficit by nearly $1 trillion, secure our borders, unite our families, protect our workers and provide an earned pathway to citizenship." The Democratic leader´s ceremony coincides with Pope Francis´ similar ceremony in Rome to mark Holy Week.

Deadbeat on the Range
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New York Times, by Timothy Eagan    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 4/18/2014 3:52:52 PM     Post Reply
Imagine a vendor on the National Mall, selling burgers and dogs, who hasn’t paid his rent in 20 years. He refuses to recognize his landlord, the National Park Service, as a legitimate authority. Every court has ruled against him, and fines have piled up. What’s more, the effluents from his food cart are having a detrimental effect on the spring grass in the capital. Would an armed posse come to his defense, aiming their guns at the park police? Would the lawbreaker get prime airtime on Fox News, breathless updates in the Drudge Report, a sympathetic ear from Tea Party Republicans?

Illinois Dems to offer $100 million in
taxpayer money to lure Obama library site

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Investor´s Business Daily, by Andrew Malcolm    Original Article
Posted By: SurferLad- 4/18/2014 9:15:50 AM     Post Reply
First, the good news: We are close enough to the end of the Obama presidency for his crowd to talk about a presidential library. Now, the bad news: Obama´s retirement is still 1,008 days distant. Plenty of time though to round up the dough to build it somewhere. Figure they need Solyndra-style money, at least $500 million. The last two presidents – Bill Clinton and George W. Bush -- built their legacy edifices totally with private money. [Snip] However, Obama supporters have a different take. They think taxpayers should put up $100 million in public money for Obama´s library.


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