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Troubled Past for Suspect
in Fatal Subway Push

New York Times, by Marc Santora and Anemona Hartocollis

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Posted By:FlyRight, 12/31/2012 6:56:55 AM

Long before Erika Menendez was charged with pushing a stranger to his death under an oncoming train at a Queens elevated station, she had years of contact with New York City’s mental health and law enforcement establishments. She was treated by the psychiatric staffs of at least two city hospitals, and caseworkers visited her family home in Queens to provide further help. She was also arrested at least three times, according to the police, twice after violent confrontations.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Keekng, 12/31/2012 7:09:16 AM     (No. 9090970)

All that and she was free to walk the streets and kill. Those darned guns!

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Rather Read, 12/31/2012 7:16:44 AM     (No. 9090976)

No guilty by reason of insanity, I´m sure.

She needs help and we the people need protection from her.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Spidey, 12/31/2012 7:23:56 AM     (No. 9090986)

Not enough money to keep people like this in confinement.Well,there´s enough money,it´s just misdirected to things like 100K a year unionized trash collectors and cops/fireman.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: TheMotherCO, 12/31/2012 7:29:46 AM     (No. 9090997)

What is wrong with this state that they do not put these people away permantly. I have two granddaughters that work in an asylum and they are physically attacked often and needless to say, help is hard to hire and they do not stay long. It is a problem that needs to be solved as soon as possible.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: kanphil, 12/31/2012 7:35:24 AM     (No. 9091006)

Just to make it clear..THE MURDER WEAPON WAS NOT A GUN!

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Reply 6 - Posted by: altoona, 12/31/2012 7:43:12 AM     (No. 9091018)

If we are not going to reopen state hospitals, I suggest we bring back exorcisms--because these murderous people are evil as well as insane. Why don´t they express their mental illness by passing out flowers instead of shooting school children? Why didn´t Ms. Menendez stick around the subway station instead of hightailing it, if she had no concept of right or wrong or crime and consequences. What´s really insane is letting these people prompted by their evil demons on the streets to molest passersby and murder the innocent.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: revdeppisch316, 12/31/2012 7:47:04 AM     (No. 9091024)

So when push comes to shove it´s a hate crime-- although the basis of hate is mental illness?

Even mental patients know right from wrong-- or in many cases what guilt is even if suppressed.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: antiquegolf, 12/31/2012 8:09:13 AM     (No. 9091057)

Off topic. How about a New Years resolution to ignore seminar posters? Just consider blocking them from your mind. And to give them no regard. Remember they eventually weed themselves out. In the meantime it isn´t worth it for anyone to raise their blood pressure over a minor annoyance like a site pest. Happy New Year.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: NorthernDog, 12/31/2012 8:18:33 AM     (No. 9091077)

Politicians don´t win any votes by spending money on things like Psych wards. They prefer to let the crazies run loose and wreak havoc across society.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: truthfetish, 12/31/2012 8:31:29 AM     (No. 9091088)

It was the subway car´s fault. Those things should be outlawed!

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Reply 11 - Posted by: DaddyO, 12/31/2012 8:33:07 AM     (No. 9091091)

Under 18 U.S.C. § 922(d), it is unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person “has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution."

Under NY penal law 400.00, no person shall be issued a license to carry, possess or dispose of a firearm unless he or she has stated whether he or she has ever suffered from any mental illness or been confined to any hospital or institution, public or private, for mental illness.

I think we pretty much agree that there are laws in place to keep her from getting a gun, and no one is proposing relaxing these laws.


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Reply 12 - Posted by: Johnny Angle, 12/31/2012 8:37:44 AM     (No. 9091098)

She drank too much soda.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Namma, 12/31/2012 8:42:08 AM     (No. 9091109)

we can thank the ACLU and the clintons for this...ACLU sued saying the civil liberties of the people in mental hospitals were being violated and these peope were being held against their will and the clinton adminstration agreed...needed more votes...
There are background checks for people and if the paper work is done properly this women would NOT be able to purchase a gun...

But just see how she used the subway train as a tool in stead of a gun...so we must ban subways...its the only way to correct this problem....

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Reply 14 - Posted by: Hermoine, 12/31/2012 8:47:42 AM     (No. 9091120)

#7 asks, Yes, this woman killed without using a gun. However, would you want this woman to have unlimited 2nd amendment rights to a gun?

Has anyone on this thread stated that she should have had rights to a gun? There are a numerous laws on the book, one referenced above, to keep mentally ill people from getting guns. The point here is that mentally ill people (and evil, bad guys in general) usually commit crimes regardless of whether or not they can get their hands on a gun. Look at what just happened in India -- 6 Indian men raped a woman, ultimately killing her, and, as far as we know (from media reports), there was not a gun in sight.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: flyonthewall, 12/31/2012 8:53:42 AM     (No. 9091136)

And a troubled future for the victim...

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Reply 16 - Posted by: franq, 12/31/2012 8:57:57 AM     (No. 9091148)

File this article in the "D´oh" file, along with same that said this would be charged as a "hate crime".

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Reply 17 - Posted by: JAN, 12/31/2012 8:58:30 AM     (No. 9091154)

Setting us up for dismissal of the murder charge.

No doubt she´ll have mental health services and be sent on her way...back out in the street.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: Chuzzles, 12/31/2012 9:02:59 AM     (No. 9091163)

The issues of dealing with the mentally ill goes back a lot further than the Clinton era. All he ever did was to inject steroids to several existing programs (housing for ex.) and then stand back to avoid the blowback results. The ACLU has been ruining things in this country since the 60´s.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: Red Jeep, 12/31/2012 9:05:37 AM     (No. 9091172)

Time to close the subways. Ban them.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: Gretchen, 12/31/2012 9:09:37 AM     (No. 9091182)

If you want to see the world of the truly insane, just take a look at the comments below the article at the NYT. Truly, truly disturbed, deluded, and brainwashed individuals.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: William1, 12/31/2012 10:03:49 AM     (No. 9091287)

And, the really annoying thing, is that it apparently took a PC "hate crime" to wrestle her into the judicial system.

Insane person, meet the insane left-wing world. Actually, she´s a perfect fit.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: Udanja99, 12/31/2012 11:08:53 AM     (No. 9091422)

Didn´t Adam Lanza attempt to buy a gun shortly before his rampage and wasn´t he refused? The laws are already there.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: Bobn.T, 12/31/2012 12:00:30 PM     (No. 9091554)

Another loony walking the streets to kill people except this one used a subway instead of a gun.

This murder would not have happened had she not had access to a subway. Banning subways would have saved that man´s life.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: southernboy, 12/31/2012 12:04:51 PM     (No. 9091562)

#7 "…. Or should there be some regulations that could keep people like this woman from purchasing a
weapon? …"

These regulations already exist. They are called ´Background Checks.´ It´s what everyone legally purchasing a weapon from a dealer or gun store has to go through.

I know, listening to the media, that one would be lead to believe that buying guns is like buying cabbage…just pile up your cart and check out. But it really doesn´t work that way! Hasn´t in a long, long time.

Now stealing a weapon or buying one from an individual……that´s different. No background checks!







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Reply 25 - Posted by: Bobn.T, 12/31/2012 12:20:52 PM     (No. 9091590)

Let´s clarify what #7 said.
"Yes, this woman killed without using a gun. However, would you want this woman to have unlimited 2nd amendment rights to a gun? Or should there be some regulations that could keep people like this woman from purchasing a weapon?"

Restrictions should be applied to a person not a firearm.

Libs and the Gov´t want to restrict everone´s 2nd amendment rights via licensing, taxing, bureaucracy, ATF rules, manufacturing, sales recordings, limitation on type, how a firearm looks vs how it functions, ridiculous definitions such a "assault", attacks against people and institutions (NRA) fighting to preserve the 2nd amendment, making firearm ownership onerous, barbaric and pugnatious - while praising abortions, denouncing hunting as killing Bambi but still saturating movies and TV horrific and graphic visuals of guns blasting people to smithereens.

Long live the NRA. The NRA and the 2nd amendment are your very best guarantee for liberty.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: xcenturion, 12/31/2012 1:03:45 PM     (No. 9091655)

I think we need to take a hard look at outlawing those darn subway trains. In the wrong hands they can be lethal.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: cshoff, 12/31/2012 4:34:59 PM     (No. 9091952)

#6 & 16. In 1963 a commission set up by John Kennedy proposed the deinstatutionalization of mentally Ill. In 1965 Teddy Kennedy sponsored the Immigration Act to change from primarily European to primarily 3rd world immigrants.

Yes the ACLU played a part but we are still living with the Kennedy Curse. The people have voted; they must be punished. Suckers!

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Reply 28 - Posted by: Bobn.t, 12/31/2012 5:39:36 PM     (No. 9092058)

#30 said it. And punished we will be.

He´s already started.
Suckers and ingorant fools did it.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: PageTurner, 12/31/2012 5:59:26 PM     (No. 9092084)

Throw her in jail, let her get the mental help she needs there. Goodness knows, with $400,000 a year prison psychiatrists, they can certainly utilize the best! /s

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Reply 30 - Posted by: 4Justice, 12/31/2012 10:06:07 PM     (No. 9092389)

#7, that point would be moot if she had been institutionalized as she should have been in the first place. And yes, I do have a problem with any and all gun control laws.

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