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How the fiscal cliff fight will end,
(unhappily for Republicans)

Washington Examiner, by Byron York

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Posted By:Oblio, 12/29/2012 10:27:47 AM

The word among some Senate Republicans is that a fiscal cliff deal is likely to be struck by Sunday, or Monday at the latest. (And Monday, being December 31st, is in fact the latest a deal could be struck to avoid January 1 tax increases.) Those Senate Republicans hope the final deal will make permanent current tax levels — Bush tax cut levels — for everyone who makes below $500,000.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: ronbet, 12/29/2012 10:36:18 AM     (No. 9088575)

Actually it´s most likely to end unhappily for America!

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Reply 2 - Posted by: VinGoombatz, 12/29/2012 10:36:35 AM     (No. 9088576)

The Republicans should state the size of the budget deficit then say FY to Barry.

But...no balls.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Cleanhousein2012, 12/29/2012 10:37:10 AM     (No. 9088578)

One more reason we need a third party.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: cartcart, 12/29/2012 10:37:51 AM     (No. 9088581)

My gardener and cleaning lady will be pleased to know that their income from our household is gone as far as they are concerned. I would rather pay them for their services than the government for what little we get by way of services.



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Reply 5 - Posted by: jdh, 12/29/2012 10:43:11 AM     (No. 9088587)

Those who voted for Obama may think they won the election, but overall we all lost. The voters, their children, their grandchildren and their grandchildren´s children all lost. After that generation, there won´t be much left to lose or to tax. All of the ´rich´ people will be either dead or in other countries with better tax laws...


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Reply 6 - Posted by: DaddyO, 12/29/2012 10:46:21 AM     (No. 9088590)

Actually, if the deal is to make the bush tax rates permanent and nothing else, that would be okay with me. Cut a deal to raise the debt ceiling in exchange for spending reductions in january.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: Barkingkangaroo, 12/29/2012 10:50:07 AM     (No. 9088593)

The Repubs could pass a bill to keep everything the same rate and have The One veto it. Someone appears not to be trying.

Why would Barry want to avoid the "Cliff" anyway? Tax rates will just be the same as when Clinton was boss. Dems like more taxes. Why would they not like more taxes from everybody, not just the "Rich"?

This President gets away with a big tax increase (positive) and blames it on the Repubs (another positive).

The only ones who don´t win is us.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: TheMom, 12/29/2012 10:52:16 AM     (No. 9088598)

No deals! No new taxes, cut spending now, not in maybe 10 years. But that would make too much sense...


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Reply 9 - Posted by: bluehouse, 12/29/2012 10:53:12 AM     (No. 9088599)

If the Bush era tax cuts are made permanent for 99% of taxpayers, then the Republicans won´t have to fight over them again. That would take a huge bargaining chip away from the Democrats.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Bpl40, 12/29/2012 11:06:18 AM     (No. 9088611)

The government takes in $2.2 trillion and spends $3.8 trillion. There is no other question in the public domain that even comes close to that in gravity and urgency. This debate over tax rates for $250k or $500k or $385.457k is a fool´s errand. If the Republicans agree to it the ´Rats and the MSM will simply invent something else to blame them with. But the Stupid Party will probably walk right into it.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: noproblems, 12/29/2012 11:08:33 AM     (No. 9088613)

as long as the spending cuts are maintained, then 0bama and the Dimms can own the tax increases.

Elections do have consequences. Maybe next time the Repugs will run someone outside of the establishment.

the real battle is over the debt limit increase.




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Reply 12 - Posted by: Twinkle93, 12/29/2012 11:24:45 AM     (No. 9088640)

It is the spending, stupid!

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Reply 13 - Posted by: mikeman, 12/29/2012 11:35:23 AM     (No. 9088662)

The democrats (obama), and to a large part the republicans have become irrelevant. They both exist to increase the federal bureaucracy and to promote job killing regulations.

Our entire system of govt. exists to confiscate private income and distribute to unions, federal employees, and welfare deadbeats( domestic and imported ).





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Reply 14 - Posted by: MisterDickens, 12/29/2012 11:45:46 AM     (No. 9088676)

Republicans in Congress need more money to spend, too. Votes are not free, you know. I don´t think any elected Republican will be unhappy, except in public statements, if taxes go up.

After all, the House could stop Zerocare by not funding it but they haven´t taken any steps in that direction that I am aware of.

Pubs like increased revenue just like Dims.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: Lawsy0, 12/29/2012 11:55:40 AM     (No. 9088698)

The Democrats said to the Republicans, ´´Your side of the canoe is sinking.´´

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Reply 16 - Posted by: Country Boy, 12/29/2012 11:56:18 AM     (No. 9088701)

obama´s strength is that he knows how to lie to stupid people. Beyond that, he is not qualified cut the grass at the White House.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: reilly, 12/29/2012 12:00:09 PM     (No. 9088704)


Talk about the debt limit, stupid. That´s the lever we control. No spending cuts, no debt limit. Up the uppity´s.


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Reply 18 - Posted by: Grambo, 12/29/2012 12:03:04 PM     (No. 9088711)

All together now, there is no such animal as a permanent tax cut. Congress, like a woman, has a right to change its mind. It can change a “permanent” tax rate with the stroke of a pen.

If the Republicans think they’re getting a negotiated concession in the form of a “permanent” tax rate, I have a bridge to sell them.

Sheesh!


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Reply 19 - Posted by: Davids918, 12/29/2012 12:11:51 PM     (No. 9088724)

#20, they´re set to expire, so making them a permanent rate is helpful.

Sure they could be raised again, but Democrats know it´s hard to raise income tax rates which is why they attack businesses to generate revenue streams. People then blame the "greedy" business owners and stick it to them again.

Don´t raise the debt limit for much more than $500 billion, and demand that the Obama spending binge be restrained.

Obama wants to push this out over 2 years with the hopes of taking back the House and having full control, again, in his last 2 years so they can REALLY finish the liberal agenda.


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Reply 20 - Posted by: retcpo, 12/29/2012 12:25:43 PM     (No. 9088739)

The best thing is to go over the cliff and stay there. This country is in serious jeopardy as the number of those not paying any Federal income tax at all approaches 50%, while we are building a permanent unemployed class with benefits seemingly that are approaching infinity and disability claims are the new, early, early retirement plans.

I really do not want to pay more taxes but I prefer a system that more evenly takes from all of us rather than makes of us a nation of envy rather than aspiration.

While the political rherotic soars nobody seems to notice that fiscal year 2013, which started October 1, 2013 the borrowing makes the excesses of the past few years seem paltry.

For the first time the Social Security system has paid out more than it took in by $47B, putting it in the red. This only happened because Social Security revenues was foolishly cut by more than 20% for the past few years.

The Democrat strategy is to build a permanent voting class that pays absoulutely no taxes whatsoever but can be counted on to reliability vote for greater and greater taxes for those who have to support them. The Republicans, seemingly the inept, stupid party keep falling victim to this strategy.

So one more chance, let the sequestration on cuts go into effect, let the tax rates go up, stop permanent unemployment compensation, restore Social Security revenue and cut more spending or we won´t have to worry about falling off the clift, we will drop of Mt. Everest.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: oh-heck, 12/29/2012 12:52:05 PM     (No. 9088775)

The key to plan B was all the stuff below the radar:

It fixed AMT permanently
It ended some Stimulus tax credits PAYED TO the poor
It ended the emergency extension of unemployment benefits
It fixed the inheritance tax
It made the doctor fix permanent

If they are going to cave on taxing the rich, it would be far better to bring up Plan B instead.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: Muguy, 12/29/2012 12:53:22 PM     (No. 9088776)

An interesting take by Byron York, who normally has a very worthy opinion.

The truth is, Zippy believes himself to be God of everything, and so this is going to end unhappily for everyone--in the end, WE ALL GET SCREWED OVER.

That of course not being the Obamaphobes who are already on the dole.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: msctex1, 12/29/2012 1:22:00 PM     (No. 9088821)

Enormous spending cuts kick in if we go over "the cliff."

We are thus completely in control, because Obama could no more allow spending cuts than go without food or air.

We will, of course, ignore this completely and cave in to whatever the arrogant SOB wants.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: nonsense, 12/29/2012 1:30:05 PM     (No. 9088836)

The plan is to destroy the Republican party and have one party rule, the one party being the communist party. It´s ok though because 56% of Americans approve of the Obama agenda. Crazy, huh?

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Reply 25 - Posted by: beancounter, 12/29/2012 1:35:53 PM     (No. 9088849)

A few problems I have with this article:

1. If Boehner had so much support for Plan B why did he pull it off the table?

2. The article doesn´t say what will happen to the Obama tax cuts. The payroll tax cut will probably go away, but what about the refundable tax credits and other goodies?

The Republicans should say that they support PayGo. The president said that he supported PayGo. Therefore, any bill to reduce taxes on the middle class should come with spending cuts to pay for them.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: DonQuijote, 12/29/2012 1:36:09 PM     (No. 9088851)

After the cave, I´m leaving the party, and I told the RNC so yesterday when they called to ask for my annual contribution. I´m small fry, so it doesn´t make a difference, but at least I won´t be bothered with those pesky calls any more. Plus, better to be an independent. We don´t really have any sy in who the nominee is anyway, and no one can assume which way your vote will go, thus polling will be off.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: marthaville, 12/29/2012 5:37:06 PM     (No. 9089094)

#3 - the third party candidate Ross Perot gave us Bill Clinton for president. That really worked out well, don´t you think?

#23 - you are one of the few that have touched on the real issues behind Obama´s aim. He wants all the provisions proposed in his budget voted down by the Senate 98-0. This is not about raising the top two rates from 33% and 35% to 36% and 39.6%.

It is all those other provisions Obama has included to raise taxes. Don´t forget his plan to raise the capital gains tax to 20% on top of the Obama care 3.8% tax on investment income, increasing the tax rate on qualified dividends from 15% to 39.6% (plus 3.8%). Obama and his handlers know the media is behind them and the American people think he will balance the budget by raising the top rate on couples making over $250,000.

Stupid is as stupid does.

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