Given the alternatives that are being bandied about in Washington, there can be no doubt that, from a policy perspective, going over the fiscal cliff is the far superior option. Temporary extensions of tax cuts don’t do much for the economy; temporary extension of unemployment benefits retards job-seeking; and the whole grab-bag of accounting gimmicks allows Congress to avoid owning up to the true scale of the budget deficit, a budget deficit that will get cut in half if we go over the cliff. The most common conservative rejoinder to these arguments is political: that Republicans will be blamed
I´ll believe it´s a crisis when they start acting like it´s one, instead of the manufactured one that it is. If this were a real crisis, I wouldn´t have read elsewhere that Obama unfroze government employee salaries. It´s them versus us, and the only crisis is we don´t want to pay what they want to take.
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Judy W., 12/29/2012 7:12:43 AM (No. 9088330)
I read this last night and it immediately changed my thinking. Of course we should go over the cliff. The only problem is for Republicans. So far Obama has convinced a majority that everything that happens is the Republicans´ thought and nothing is his fault. Maybe Ann Coulter is right and Republicans should just vote "present" and let Obama have his way so people will see clearly that what happens is his fault. But I think he is so clever about framing the situation and the Republicans are so inept that he would find a way to convince people that everything that ensues is the Republicans´ fault.
The important thing is the welfare of the country so vote against the destructive things Obama wants to do. You will get the blame either way when the results are bad. Rather do the right thing and improve the situation. There is an example in this article where the GOP did the right thing and Obama got the credit. So do the right thing and Obama will get the credit for saving the country. The credit/blame game is lost, save the country!
This line of thinking adds more appeal to the ´let it burn´ philosophy, which previously just sounded vindictive. Let´s stop enabling the big spenders by shielding the populace (temporarily) from the consequences. Starting today, the republicans need to stop talking about taxes and start talking about overspending 24/7.
Fiscal cliff cool aid to be sure. But, folks, you ain´t seen nothing yet. This is just a warm up for the big one that comes in another year to three years. I don´t like starting the day this way, just being realistic.
This IS a good argument: Why should anyone care about the "fiscal cliff" or the debt if so few actually feel it? By allowing the "cliff" to happen, people who are on the dole, bureocrats and others will begin to actually know the consequences of voting themselves free stuff.
I´m all for doing this. If the rest of us have to stand a little toothache for a while, it will be worth it to be able to let Americans who voted for our Cretin-In-Chief know that free stuff isn´t free and that their messiah has feet of clay.
Oh, and screw the Democrats and the backs of the productive they rode in on.
"Conservative" bloggers have collectively and individually lost their minds. Given their stellar record in predicting a Romney win, we should now believe that they´ve become clairvoyant economists? As to Avik Roy, his area of expertise is medical care. NOT ECONOMICS! I don´t know what to call this collective insanity. Certainly not obama derangement syndrome, since there is every reason to think scumbama is toxic. But these "let´s go over the cliff" conservatives should at least stop talking about "the American people" needing to feel the hurt. Did I stop being an American when I voted against scumbama? Why penalize those who tried to stop the leftists?
I recall in 2009 we said "You can´t spend your way to prosperity" and that we are well on (up) the road to the Obamboozler´s Trickle Up Poverty program. If it is not a clear enough pattern after this many years then you´re blind and stupid, or simply said: a low information Obama voter. We´re going the wrong direction quickly and nothing could please the Socialist Communists more than seeing the United States get poorer and weaker.
FTA: Republicans will never be able to build a political case for less spending if most Americans are insulated from the cost of that spending.
FTA: It might well be that the biggest mistake Republicans made during Obama’s first term was forcing the president to extend the Bush tax cuts. At the time, it seemed like a major victory by the newly elected GOP House. But in truth, it was a victory for Obama. Extending the tax cuts shielded the economy from the full brunt of Obama’s economic failures and allowed him to put off job-killing tax increases...
Until then, Republicans need to stop protecting Americans from the consequences of their decisions to elect profligate politicians. That would be valid if there was not fifty one percent of voters who will NEVER suffer any consequences for their votes. Again, it would be refreshing if a journalist, shoot, I´d take half a journalist to read Rules for Radicals and understand that we are well past "there." With the 17 trillion in federal debt, which is impossible to ever repay (yep, per WH budget charts it is IMPOSSIBLE to pay) not including the 70 plus trillion in unfunded mandates, this fiscal cliff nonsense is merely a pimple on the rear end of consequences.
Both parties have fallen prey to offering entitlements for votes. The Democrats have made a carrier at it while Republicans had to make their offerings just to keep up. There is a fundamental problem with money migrating to the few. Old Israel took care of that by having a Year of Jubilee which returned land to the original owners and wiped out all debts. We don´t have that so the have-nots want wealth redistribution and love Obama´s Marxist policies. We have a progressive tax in an attempt to punish the prosperous but that hasn´t helped enough. Then there is corporate greed that neither party wants to address because both parties know where the power lies and respects it. In a limited way, Republicans have made friends with the devil by not addressing corporate greed and competing with Democrats on entitlement packages. Now they find themselves in a pickle. Democrats get elected by offering entitlements, they are not going to give it up by limiting spending... never. It´s their bread and butter.
The major problem with letting the economy go over the cliff is that Dims will start to re-allocate available money and resources to those who are Dims supporters. Those who are not will be cut off and left out in the cold. You can look for blue states to get the lion´s share of everything. Of course, the Republicans will be blamed eleventeen times a day by the media and dims. After all, THEIR intentions were sooooo good and those wascally republicans just would let them do all the wonderful things they wanted to do./s
I have a question. Where are the daily polls telling us that Americans are blaming the fiscal cliff situation on Republicans? I would have thought that the Left would have those numbers shoved at us every day for the last week. Where are they? Could it be the polls have been taken and, gasp, they don´t favor our president?
This article misses a couple of things. The unintended consequences of nearly half of the population not pay income tax only allows people to be deluded into believing they will not be affected by the runaway spending by Obama. Income taxes are only one way the government takes our money. Social Security and Medicare deductions, costly regulations, price increases, wasteful spending and inflation hit everyone! A nearly 20% increase in the amount of the Gross Domestic Product that the government spends means there is that much less left for the private sector.
The article is correct about one thing. For many people it will take real financial pain to make them aware how badly they are being screwed by government in general and the Democrats/Progressives in particular.
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