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Slain woman predicted her own death
Atlanta Journal-Constitution, by Bill Torpy

Original Article

Posted By:Ribicon, 12/28/2012 12:20:59 AM

Donna Kristofak was terrified and letting the court know it. John S. Kristofak, who was her husband for 19 years, had been arrested six months earlier as he chased her in a Wal-Mart parking lot. In his car were a butcher’s knife and what police called “a suicide note.” During a court hearing Oct. 12, Mrs. Kristofak begged a Cobb County judge not to release him from jail. “I fear for my life,” she told Superior Court Judge Adele Grubbs, telling the judge that a court-issued order of protection would not stop her crazed ex-spouse.

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Stalker ex-husband promises to kill his ex-wife, court system sets him free after 7 months of a 5-year prison sentence, and as promised he proceeds to stab her to death. Judge advised the victim in effect to hold up a protective order and call the police if the killer came visiting.

Where is the national outrage about allowing criminals and the otherwise insane loose on the streets? Why are judges not held responsible in any way for criminals they release?

It´s also a shame that she did not protect herself using a firearm while she still had the chance to do so.

  

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Reply 1 - Posted by: jalo1951, 12/28/2012 12:36:23 AM     (No. 9086928)

No piece of paper can protect you but having a weapon might.


Reply 2 - Posted by: pickle1, 12/28/2012 12:37:11 AM     (No. 9086930)

Stupid Judge.


   

 

  


 
Reply 3 - Posted by: get er done, 12/28/2012 12:38:22 AM     (No. 9086933)

The slain woman´s family should sue the jurisdiction which employed this judge.


Reply 4 - Posted by: ColonialAmerican1623, 12/28/2012 12:45:56 AM     (No. 9086935)

If she had shot him, she would still be alive. She would have been safer sitting in prison, although I don´t know what jury would say she was guilty.

How many people were killed by family members in 2012 ? How many had gun permits or registered guns ?


Reply 5 - Posted by: thelmalou, 12/28/2012 12:55:10 AM     (No. 9086940)

Classic case. Classic. Read Gavin deBecker´s The Gift of Fear. Best information I´ve ever seen on the subject.


Reply 6 - Posted by: Spidey, 12/28/2012 4:02:56 AM     (No. 9086980)

Our court system doesn´t take female abuse seriously enough.This flies in the face of the left being perpetual protectors of women.You just had former MLB player drag his wife down the stairs and threaten to kill her and he pays a couple thousand bucks bail.

There probably isn´t enough jail space to hold all these domestic abusers.


Reply 7 - Posted by: neanderthal, 12/28/2012 4:48:19 AM     (No. 9086996)

History has proved that publicly flogging abusive spouses always works. It´s the way we solved the problem here in the US before the civil war. It´s time to bring back the "standard and usual" punishment (public hanging, public flogging, public humiliation) that kept misbehaving people in line for nearly a hundred years in the US. Then the government discovered income from fines and correctional institutions. Things have gone downhill since.l


   

 

  


 
Reply 8 - Posted by: GreatGreyhounds, 12/28/2012 5:58:52 AM     (No. 9087017)

The Judge should be arrested as an accessory to the murder...


Reply 9 - Posted by: Rinktum, 12/28/2012 6:34:28 AM     (No. 9087030)

It seems to me that in a case like this when the police found a butcher´s knife and a "suicide note" in the ex-husband´s car, the benefit of the doubt would be with the victim. He should have remained in jail after that incident and this woman would be alive today.

Of course, the judge could not predict what the ex-husband would do, but she did not have to give him the benefit of the doubt. Sitting in jail for five years may have given the man time to rethink his decision and may have given the wife the time to learn to protect herself. In Court and in front of the ex-husband, the judge should have advised her to get her CCW permit and become proficient in the use of the firearm. His incarceration and knowledge that his ex-wife was armed may have been a real incentive to rethink his decision. These men are dangerous and cowardly. I hope the judge thinks long and hard on this case and maybe her decision in the next case will be a better one.


Reply 10 - Posted by: floridagator, 12/28/2012 6:43:16 AM     (No. 9087035)

Laura Ingraham, subbing for BOR last night, had a reporter on the show that spoke of the thousands of criminal illegal aliens who are released back into American society because their home country won´t take them back. Just how gutless are our judges and politicians who won´t slam dunk these guys? BTW, if I put a venomous snake in your bedroom while you sleep and close the door, am I not responsible if something bad were to occur? Saying that I can´t predict the actions of the snake isn´t good enough. This judge should be held accountable.


Reply 11 - Posted by: DCGIRL, 12/28/2012 6:51:01 AM     (No. 9087042)

They should put this crazy judge in the same cell with this nut.


Reply 12 - Posted by: MOBeef4u, 12/28/2012 6:52:08 AM     (No. 9087044)

Hate to play "blame the victim" here, but her reliance on the system proved fatal. The system is better at dealing with the aftermath of a crime than at preventing one.
A weapon and training, a protective dog, self-defense training would all have served her better. Remember, he used a knife.
Sure, the system deserves its measure of blame, but if you rely solely on it, you´re doomed.


   

 



 
Reply 13 - Posted by: FlatCityGirl, 12/28/2012 7:18:18 AM     (No. 9087064)

There´s no mention in the article as to whether the woman ever considered any means of protection other than bureaucrats. I would like to know from a family member whether a firearm was ever considered by her, or ever recommended to her by a family member.

Did she consider a firearm for protection, but was stopped by too many regulations and laws that prevented her owning a firearm? Was she one of those silly women who wring their hands and say, "Oh, if i had a gun, I would probably shoot myself"?

This woman did not have to die.


Reply 14 - Posted by: rabbit, 12/28/2012 7:18:43 AM     (No. 9087065)

Sadly, there are families all over this country with a seriously mentally ill family member who fear this may happen to them. And the laws are such that none of the mentally ill who have threatened such violence repeatedly may be evaluated until the risk is ´imminent´. I put that word in quotes because that is the standard term used in the laws. By then, as in this case, it was too late.


Reply 15 - Posted by: LoneVoice, 12/28/2012 7:32:06 AM     (No. 9087078)

I hope this judge thinks about this every night. I hope it eats away at her for the rest of her life.


Reply 16 - Posted by: Fiesta del sol, 12/28/2012 7:39:06 AM     (No. 9087088)

The judge says this FTA "In an interview Thursday, Grubbs said she could not comment on the case but added, “You cannot predict human behavior. After (the school massacre in) Newtown people ask, ‘How can we stop someone before they do something?’ We don’t do that.”

Whatever helps Judge Grubbs sleep at night,I guess.


Reply 17 - Posted by: ROLFnader, 12/28/2012 7:54:27 AM     (No. 9087107)

FTA:"If someone is afraid of the law, these kind of orders work; if they don’t, nothing short of jail works,” she said."

Don´t consider even the smallest gun, whatever you do. If this story isn´t the best endorsement of the 2nd ammendment, I don´t know what is.


   

 

  


 
Reply 18 - Posted by: kanphil, 12/28/2012 7:56:02 AM     (No. 9087110)

#12 makes the point. No gun ban would have saved this poor woman. Relying on government, always an iffy proposition, is becoming hopeless in our country. Self defense should be a part of the educational process in our country, especially for women who seem particularly unwilling to employ deadly force against somebody they know wants to kill them.


Reply 19 - Posted by: beca, 12/28/2012 8:24:53 AM     (No. 9087152)

the judge has no sense.......how many times do we see this.........sad...may this rest on the judge forever


Reply 20 - Posted by: Chuzzles, 12/28/2012 8:46:51 AM     (No. 9087189)

I realize that judges need to have just a bit of latitude to do their work, but if there was a way to punish these judges for their actions when they ignore situations that result in the death or serious injury of someone, well the judge needs to answer for this stupidity on their part. The fact that judges keep getting away with garbage like this because they are a ´judge´ really needs to be addressed.


Reply 21 - Posted by: Rumblehog, 12/28/2012 9:22:41 AM     (No. 9087250)

This "judge" should be forced to wear a picture of this woman around his neck for the rest of his life, under penalty of death.


Reply 22 - Posted by: retiredandmad, 12/28/2012 9:35:07 AM     (No. 9087267)

My first thought is why don´t these women just disappear. I´ve read somewhere (sorry can´t remember where) that there are organizations that can help you do this. Go somewhere else and build a new life, hard to do, but why put up with these monsters and a legal system that won´t help you.


   

 



 
Reply 23 - Posted by: bugboy, 12/28/2012 9:38:15 AM     (No. 9087275)

FTA “You cannot predict human behavior. After (the school massacre in) Newtown people ask, ‘How can we stop someone before they do something?’ We don’t do that.”

Protective orders, 911, are all useless when someone is hell bent on killing, whether that be an individual or a group of individuals.

The Judge was wrong in this case. Her husbands one concern was to kill her, yesterday, today or 5 years in the future he was going to kill her. She should have been trained to use a gun and she should have been armed.

But this is exactly what the country will become if the liberals get their way.

The worse school massacre in US history was not committed with a gun. It was with a bomb and it took place in the 30´s.


Reply 24 - Posted by: Razorgirl, 12/28/2012 10:45:28 AM     (No. 9087412)

This situation is so close to home for me. In 2010, the daughter of our best friends obtained a protective order against an ex-boyfriend. He had threatened her, her family and any friends and aquaintences she had. Out friends recommended we get CC certification. That was when we took the class and purchased handguns. In June of that year she saw the guy lurking in the parking lot of the apartments where she lived. She called the police and they responded within a few minutes. It was too late. He stabbed her (27 times) to death while she was on the phone with 911. The 911 recording is horrifying. The police had to break into the apartment through a window to get the guy. Her father had tried to get her to take his 9mm home with her that night. She refused. Firearms were not allowed in her apartment complex. No rules on cutlery.


Reply 25 - Posted by: thelmalou, 12/28/2012 11:28:04 AM     (No. 9087482)

#13 states "Did she consider a firearm for protection, but was stopped by too many regulations and laws that prevented her owning a firearm?"

This is in Cobb County, one of the most conservative counties in Georgia (adjoins my even more conservative county). Gun ownership is well-regarded here, and not hard to obtain, assuming she didn´t have something that would have flagged on a background check.

I´ve long said bullies bully people they can bully. He might have killed me, but I´d have done my damnedest to take him with me. And his knowing that, even without a gun, would have made a difference in the dynamic of the relationship. I am not blaming the victim, but people in this situation REALLY need to read Gavin deBecker´s The Gift of Fear.

BTW, the judge in the case is a woman.


Reply 26 - Posted by: Old Army Vet, 12/28/2012 11:30:34 AM     (No. 9087487)

Hey #22, it almost sounds like you are blaming the victim, a very liberal way to think. She should have been able to live wherever she wanted. This shows that law does not protect from the criminal. Laws only are obeyed by the law abiding.


Reply 27 - Posted by: realrep, 12/28/2012 11:43:58 AM     (No. 9087517)

After 35 years of marriage, I figured out that I was a battered wife and left. My kids were grown so I could keep some distance. A year later, I moved to another state. The next year, the X died of natural causes at age 60. Yahoo! Happiest non-medicated day of my life! (Births of my kids were the happiest medicated days of my life.)
Now I´m living happily ever after.


Reply 28 - Posted by: Blonde Patriot, 12/28/2012 11:50:28 AM     (No. 9087525)

He used a knife to stab her to death. I guess they need to ban all knives now.

Poor woman. RIP.



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